I'm new, what is a hybrid?

[J_Degraff]

I've seen the hybrid trading thread. And read that we're not discuss how to make them or links that tell you how they're made. But can someone explain what it is exactly with out going into. The before mentioned black listed details?

 

[eran0004]

In short, a hybrid is a car that has parts swapped from other cars and/or other illegitimate changes of performance or visual data, such as grip multiplier or removal of aero parts. In GT5 it's not possible to do that in game so it has to be done by using "illicitly modified game data". Hybriding is explicitly forbidden and may get you banned from using the online services of GT5, especially if you use your hybrid to compete in the seasonal time trial or drift trial events.

GT5 INFORMATION
Notice of Account Ban Measures – Last Updated: Apr 05, 2013

We have recently confirmed usage of illicitly modified game data in the online services of Gran Turismo 5, and the relevant accounts have now been banned from the service.

Hereafter, these Online ID’s in question will no longer be able to access the online portion of Gran Turismo 5.

Please be aware that usage of illicitly modified game data and any mischievous conduct against other players using such data are strictly prohibited, and will be subject to penalties as soon as they are found.

We ask everyone for their continued understanding and support.

Source

 

[J_Degraff]

In short, a hybrid is a car that has parts swapped from other cars and/or other illegitimate changes of performance or visual data, such as grip multiplier or removal of aero parts. In GT5 it's not possible to do that in game so it has to be done by tampering with the game data, which is explicitly forbidden and may get you banned from using the online services of GT5, especially if you use your hybrid to compete in the seasonal time trial or drift trial events.

Thanks for the reply. I understand it now. I knew it was a hack as they mentioned that in the market place. I just didn't know what exactly is being done. I haven't even tried to go online yet.

 

[C53A 4G63T]

I don't know what people get in a tizzy about. I have been creating hybrids since GT2. It's not like it's a new concept or anything.

 

[Dan]

I don't know what people get in a tizzy about. I have been creating hybrids since GT2. It's not like it's a new concept or anything.

Well, it does go against the ToS, and there is the potential situation where people use hybrids to cheat (Which they have been, just look at the leaderboards).

Just to be clear, I am a full supporter of hybriding because it renewed a lot of people's interests in the game.

 

[eran0004]

I don't know what people get in a tizzy about. I have been creating hybrids since GT2. It's not like it's a new concept or anything.

Good for you. Everyone haven't been playing Gran Turismo before though, and everyone haven't heard of hybriding before either.

 

[C53A 4G63T]

Well, it does go against the ToS, and there is the potential situation where people use hybrids to cheat (Which they have been, just look at the leaderboards).

Just to be clear, I am a full supporter of hybriding because it renewed a lot of people's interests in the game.

Imagine what society would be like if we followed the rules all the time. We would still be working on forming the wheel. TOS is there only to cover PD's ass from a lawsuit. Same as all the **** you sign when you buy any major item. Buying my house I had to sign about 100 papers. I also feel it's petty to harp on this, especially with it about to be outdated, cheating. It's not like it's life changing if someone has gone around an imaginary track faster than you in a different car. If this is something that people need to devote hours too arguing why it's a travesty, maybe they need to look at their priorities in life. Stop worry about everyone else around you and just focus on having fun yourself. And like with all activities, you will come across more people like yourself and you will be able to enjoy it with them. I learned this a long time ago, and maybe a lot of these complainers need time to grow up, so they themselves realize that there is a bigger picture. It's just a game.

 

[eran0004]

Imagine what society would be like if we followed the rules all the time. We would still be working on forming the wheel. TOS is there only to cover PD's ass from a lawsuit. Same as all the **** you sign when you buy any major item. Buying my house I had to sign about 100 papers. I also feel it's petty to harp on this, especially with it about to be outdated, cheating. It's not like it's life changing if someone has gone around an imaginary track faster than you in a different car. If this is something that people need to devote hours too arguing why it's a travesty, maybe they need to look at their priorities in life. Stop worry about everyone else around you and just focus on having fun yourself. And like with all activities, you will come across more people like yourself and you will be able to enjoy it with them. I learned this a long time ago, and maybe a lot of these complainers need time to grow up, so they themselves realize that there is a bigger picture. It's just a game.

It's not life changing, but it's game changing.

And you started the argument, so why don't you explain why you feel the need to devote hours to arguing about it?

 

[C53A 4G63T]

Because common sense. No one really has it. I also campaign on the belief that people should worry about what THEY are doing with THEIR controller, and no the other way around. I don't care what anyone does. I just run it on 2.11 so I can do whatever I want to do. It would be nice to do the non drift or time seasonals, but I compromise.

I no longer **** a brick about what someone else is doing. I just game for me and don't care what everyone else does. Thats why I respond, because I don't like it when people try to force their views and ways on others.

 

[J_Degraff]

Well this turned into an argument. But I'm merely asking the question what are they. Obviously not knowing what they were I had no stance for or against the practice. I mean it sounds cool with the engine swapping and stuff. Like in real life. I drive a BMW 528i and I'm a member of a bmw forum where some guys there take the engines from chevy tahoes and put it in the e39 chassis. Now personally I never saw the point of putting an american engine in a german car. But I get that people like to do these things.

 

[J_Degraff]

I wish I had enough hacking ablitiy to put my 528i into the game. But as they don't even have the e39 M5 I can't even try to replicate it with any existing car.

 

[saidaouita]

Think about it from the companies point of view. Hybrids are additional information which has not been counted for.
You start getting hundreds of thousands of hybrids taking up memory space it will have negative effects.

My opinion comes from seeing what happens to Blizzard servers when "hacked/duped/etc" items are added.
Not only do they make for unfair game play, they are bytes of information not counted for.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Think about it from the companies point of view. Hybrids are additional information which has not been counted for.
You start getting hundreds of thousands of hybrids taking up memory space it will have negative effects.

My opinion comes from seeing what happens to Blizzard servers when "hacked/duped/etc" items are added.
Not only do they make for unfair game play, they are bytes of information not counted for.

The information is stored on my PS3, not some central database. And anything I adjust on the car through hybriding, is already either a part in the game or an adjustable game parameter, it has no effect on any memory, anywhere.

Leaving aside the clowns that overdo their cars and try to cheat online or in TT's, hybriding is the greatest thing ever in any GT series. Let me give you an example of why that is.

I've always been mystified by FF's and the FTO in particular. It should be blazes fast. It's light, has a beautiful, high revving, peaky power band. Wide body, shorter wheelbase, car of the year in Japan in 1994!! But it sucks on the track because it won't turn.

Enter hybriding and 15 downforce on the front and voila, instant supercar!!! I lost 30 hp in the process, same as you would lose in any car with 15 rear downforce, but the effect is dramatic. Gone is entry understeer, and you can now power on a little earlier, at the cost of a little top speed and acceleration. The effect is dramatic. It's actually fun to drive now and with a little ballast on the rear, you can actually drive it like an MR if you want to. It's now competitive at 450PP on SH tires, able to do mid 7:50's online, right in the mix of many good cars.

I think I can now make many FF's competitive with this one hybriding tool so I would ask, how is that bad? Line up at any race at the Nurb and you see at most 10-15 cars you know are really competitive. What if there were 50 or 100? This is possible through hybriding and without gaining an unfair advantage, just competitiveness. The PP system is intact because the added downforce costs you HP same as adding a rear wing which no one would call cheating.

Hybriding and all it entails, would be the greatest thing to happen to the GT series ever, no question about it.

 

[jgancherjr]

Well this turned into an argument. But I'm merely asking the question what are they.

This will happen everytime you bring up hybrids for future reference lol 👍
Personally I don't care what people do, you want to mod, go for it! You don't like mods, kick people out of your room. It's really that simple . Personally I mod and enjoy it, but I don't go into rooms where people don't want mods and try to "sneak" them in or lie about, those are the people that are the real 🤬 .. If I join a room I ask if anyone else is running modded cars and if it's okay if I do also. I just don't like to run the crazy 36 second route X cars, It's almost pointless and extremely hard on your PS3's processor. I enjoy making the realistic "track" or "drag" cars "under 2000hp" ..

 

[GeekOfAwesome]

Hybrids are perfectly fine IMO. With games and competitions and the like this is always going to happen, and no amount of paperwork, terms, conditions or DRM is going to stop it ( Activision, EA, are you listening) However, using them online in ranked leader boards is pushing it a bit. I mean, If hybrids were allowed, the first 3000 ranking in the leader boards would be with hacked cars and it becomes not a contest of driving skill, virtual driving skill that is, but a contest of who can make the best hack, which defeats the point somewhat. Use them offline by all means, but you shouldn't really use them in TTs, Drift trials, online lobbies etc

 

[Johnnypenso]

Hybrids are perfectly fine IMO. With games and competitions and the like this is always going to happen, and no amount of paperwork, terms, conditions or DRM is going to stop it ( Activision, EA, are you listening) However, using them online in ranked leader boards is pushing it a bit. I mean, If hybrids were allowed, the first 3000 ranking in the leader boards would be with hacked cars and it becomes not a contest of driving skill, virtual driving skill that is, but a contest of who can make the best hack, which defeats the point somewhat. Use them offline by all means, but you shouldn't really use them in TTs, Drift trials, online lobbies etc

If they show up in TT's that's entirely on PD not on the entrants. One can easily assume that with 10's of thousands of entrants you can't reasonably expect them all to be honest, that's why you have parameters for entry. That's the purpose of the PP limit, to set a maximum performance standard. PD has taken the lazy route and just uses PP in spite of the fact that hybrids exist and can "break" the PP system. All they had to do was put an HP limit on the TT and end of story. Or use their very own database which gives you the max HP for any car and do a check against that before you enter the TT and again, problem solved.