Imagine the tenth dimension! *Add mad scientist laughter*

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Well, I'm no scholar of theoretical physics, but it seems feasable as he presents it. The difficult part is trying to picture the 4th dimension, let alone the 10th, but he did a good job in simplifying it. I'd say that it might be an interesting book to pick up and read.
 
I'm pretty sure they proved 11 dimensions already, or at least came up with a very well working theory involving it. It has to do with string theory, and how it's not particles, but strings that matter is made of. There were actually 5 string theories, but after adding the 11th dimension they turned out to all be the same. I didn't even click the link yet, doing that now...

Edit: Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant.
 
It all depends if what might have happened as we see it, actually does happen. For example, that girl you didn't ask out in high school, you actually did ask her out, but at the point where you decided one way or the other, you split into two you's. If that makes sense. Personally I don't think that happens, I think I'm the only me, and this is the only dimension with me in it. I don't believe in multiverse, though I do find it an interesting theory.
 
Wait. You mean you guys can't picture the fourth dimension? Wow. You depthlanders are SOOOOO simple. I never realized this.
 
Wow I didn't think I was going to get it, but, I think I may have.

So the tenth dimension is just everything we could ever imagine, all stacked on top of eachother?
 
Viewing that was like reading any popular science book; it all made perfect sense to me as I watched it, but don't ask me to explain it to anyone afterwards. Very interesting though.

Wait. You mean you guys can't picture the fourth dimension? Wow. You depthlanders are SOOOOO simple. I never realized this.

Hark at you! I bet you have a right fancy digestive tract and all...
 
Seriously. I'm not exactly sure of this guy's impression of the fourth+ dimension. A book called Hyperspace I read portrays it quite differently. It uses the balloon example for the 4th dimension. If we saw a 4th dimension, we would see a flexing and shrinking, undistinguishable blob. It also talks of hypercubes. Take a line. Bend it into a square. Now you have two dimensions. Make six squates and arrange them like you would to make a cube. Bend them and you have the 3rd. Arrange 8 cubes like the attached file. Fold it, and you have the 4th. Here, wherever you come out, you are in a different, unreckognizeable place.

The discussion made about the 5th (was it?) dimension makes a lot of sense. A decision made now affects the future. Had Columbus not decided to go on his adventure, Europe and the rest of the World would be a very different place. That would be a different path. These different paths, I believe, can be also referred to as parallel universes.

Does this make sense? Am I clearing it up or just rambling and making you confused?
 

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I read Hyperspace too. Back in the day four dimensions were enough to be worrying about (it was a simpler time after all) and I can happily get my head around a tessaract or hypercube.

It's the next six dimensions what give me trouble. "Super" strings indeed, *derisive snort* a likely story...
 
that was pretty deep. i found it made sense. it took me up until he started around the 7th dimension to get the concept of the fourth. it does sound possible and i figured this is going to go on forever but the 10th really brings up an enormous roadblock. how is there going to be another something different than any possible thought, being, existance, infiniti ever.
 
I can picture and easily imaging up to the 6th dimension. things get confusing after that...
 
When cosmologists attempt to describe the multi-dimensional nature of space-time, they frequently mention a book called 'Flatland' by Edwin Abbott Abbott. Here, Flatland is a world which exists in just two dimensions, a place where 3-dimensional objects cannot be perceived fully. We are posed with a similar problem - that we experience just 3 spatial dimensions and have trouble envisaging anything beyond that. Because 3 spatial dimensions is our normal frame of reference, we have no trouble visualising 3 dimensions even when they are represented graphically in just 2 dimensions i.e. the drawing of a cube, or a graph with X,Y and Z axes - but we cannot visualise more dimensions than this... but we don't really need to be able to visualise them to know that they are there. Even at the beginning of the 20th Century, Einstein predicted that if one were to draw a triangle in space with the Sun at it's centre, that the angles of that triangle would not add up to 180 degrees as would be the case in Euclidian geometry. Modern day measurements have verified that this is indeed the case. The reason is that the Sun's gravity causes space itself to warp, proving that there is more to space than the 3 spatial dimensions that we can perceive...
 
Although that animation does explain the theory quite well I would still like to read a written description of the theory. Somehow my brain understands something much easier when I read about it.

*edit* Just found the written description on that site.

We have now imagined a reality where everything is possible. Everything that could have happened, did. Everything that is about to possibly happen, does. Even the things that we know didn’t happen or couldn’t happen on our own timeline, did happen elsewhere in another part of the dimensional construct we’re imagining. But if that’s all there is, then what is the point? As creatures with free will, should we care what we’re about to do if there are other universes where we did the opposite? And if everyone around us is capable of every possible good and bad thing imaginable, how do we ever get anywhere?

Amazing.
 
My dad can't grasp 2 dimensions, yet somehow says he get's 3 and even 4.

The thing about the 4th dimension is that we can only see a part of it at a time. just like the "flatlanders" can only see the part of a 3 dimensional object that's passing through they're plane, we can only see 1 part of the 4 dimensional existance at one time.

My dad's head explodes at the flatlander digestive tract thing. He somehow doesn't understand that cutting something in half makes 2 seperate things that could fall apart. I understand well up to the 7th, but if he explained past that better, I could know all ten.

"OK kids, tomorrow you'll have a quiz on all ten dimensions, so study. And remember, NO taking the test just to get corrected, then go through the 5th dimension and take it again with all the right answers. Folding the universe is strictly disaproved and not allowed!"
 
I followed up until about the 5th dimension. I mean, I have a general understanding of it all, but I only really grasp the 4th dimension.

If I'm following this correctly, the 5th dimension is a dimension of parallel universes. The thing that gets me is, that's a lot of damn universes if there's one for every minor possibility - ie: in the next universe over, is the universe where I decided not to reply to this thread. And the universe before this one might be where I decided not to have that glass of milk...

Also, how is one supposed to 'fold' the dimensions to reach one of these parallel universes?
 
Interesting theory, I was lost for most of it though.



^ Frink explaining the third dimension.
 
I followed up until about the 5th dimension. I mean, I have a general understanding of it all, but I only really grasp the 4th dimension.

If I'm following this correctly, the 5th dimension is a dimension of parallel universes. The thing that gets me is, that's a lot of damn universes if there's one for every minor possibility - ie: in the next universe over, is the universe where I decided not to reply to this thread. And the universe before this one might be where I decided not to have that glass of milk...

Also, how is one supposed to 'fold' the dimensions to reach one of these parallel universes?


That's the part that hurt my brain aswell. The population of earth is around 6 billion. All those people are making decisions.

Does it also apply to animals? I can't see any reason why it wouldn't? After all animals make decisions to.
 



That's the part that hurt my brain aswell. The population of earth is around 6 billion. All those people are making decisions.

Does it also apply to animals? I can't see any reason why it wouldn't? After all animals make decisions to.

And that makes for a lot of universes that are almost identical. If the
differences can be as small as one choice made by one creature at one time, you could easily get along in, because the only difference could be, say, that guy living next to you had tea instead of coffee at breakfast 3 weeks ago. And if you consider that each dimension only requires one difference, but could include up to every decision ever made by every creature in it (so long as that exact mix does not repeat), you have a number of universes that is ridiculously, inconceivably gigantic.

The best way to imagine that number would be this (assuming I'm even close to correct): Say you have a bag of blocks. Each block is a universe. Arrange them in first in a line of ten. Then build it up to a 10x10 square of 100. Take 100 of those and stack them into a massive cube of 1000 blocks. Keep going until you have a cube of blocks that takes up the entirety of the universe. Now imagine every particle of every block is now a separate universe. this should give you the ninth dimension (I'd check the video agian, but I can't get it to play smoothly now). Compress that whole block of universes into a single point inside a walnut. That is the tenth dimension, literally...




in a nutshell.

(I'm sorry, I could resist.)


But really, if you compress that universe-filled walnut to an indefinitely small, single point, you will have the 10th dimension. Where you go from there, I have no clue. I'd think about some more, but my brain hurts now.
 
So basically, Newton was only half right. "For every action there is an equal and opposite reality."
 
Alas, my thinking has produced still another theory, inspired by that simpsons picture. (A little ironic?) Anyway, if you can describe to a 2D person the 3rd dimension by drawing a cube like you would on paper, then wouldn't there be a way to "see" the 4th from the third?

Since the 4th dimension is time, then we need a way to see back and forward. How, the picture. A picture allows us to see backwards, which is not a part of the 3rd dimension.

For a flatlander to escape a square jail, he enters the 3rd dimension to go over the lines. For a 3d person to escape, he enters a time period before or after the jail exists. Our interpretation would be him entering a picture of the same place without a jail.

I could do this forever. Guess I should stop. I could condense all of these into one idea but that would be a lot of work and my brain would injure itself. Maybe tomorrow.
 
Sorry to injure more brains, but assuming that beings in a given dimension find it difficult to interpret a dimension higher than them, would that automatically mean that they understand every dimension below them? :odd:

This is really really interesting...
 
So basically, Newton was only half right. "For every action there is an equal and opposite reality."
Technichally speaking, it would not be opposite, or really equal (equal to what?), but yes. Not just decisions like should I have coffee or tea, but things like if how long you look at an old photograph for, 1 second, 1.0001 seconds etc. It seems there could be an infinite number of parallel universes out there, not to mention that it would be difficult to find the one you're looking for, even in the 9th dimension, for there's so many.

I love seeing this kind of stuff. For those who want way to understand why we can't point in the direction of time, it's because we're only three dimensional, and can't percieve the 4th dimension. Just like the flatlanders can't see the 3rd dimension, and only what's passing through it at the time, We can only see in 3 dimensions, and not point to, look towards, or see the 4th dimension. Imagine a 4 dimensional creature, now that would be awesome. You could see yourself now, but see yourself old and young too. You would need a 4 dimensional perspective to see it however, and we can't imagine how they would see that, just how the flatlanders can't imagine how the 3rd dimension seems.

That representation of the flatlanders seems off to me. How could they see the balloon from that perspective? It may be a circle in that dimension, but from their viewpoint, it's still a line, that grows. Thinking like that, if there were one dimensional creatures, they would look up or down and see a dot, and nothing else. Maybe they could sense how far away it is, but it's really still an impossibly small dot.

I find this whole thing interesting, especially trying to imagine what it would be like to be a 4d creature. I also think it's amazing that we happen to live in one of the universes that happens to figure this out. Even so, there's probably a lot more parallel universes where we figure this out at some point, but I'm just glad in this one it happened in my lifetime.

Imagine a world where Ford was named Forl, and the mustang looked like the corvette and vice-versa. That's a little different.

Now imagine a universe where there is no Earth, but you are a cell like creature on planet ?(/';[(*).>).Now on planet ?(/';[(*).>) you have a cell wall that is stiff as steel, a cytoplanm that, if the cell wall is broken, multiplies out through the hole and then forms a cell wall around that, probably doubling it's size. You have all normal systems that a cell has in our universe, but you have a mouth on the outside that turns your whole "stomach" inside out, in which case the little grabbing arms in your stomach take the food and digest it there with enzymes, then goes back in. On ?(/';[(*).>) There are big elephants that are pink, and are made up of cells just like you. These elephants however, have 19 tusks at the very least, and their feet go out to the sides beford heading down, like an ant. There are electric mushrooms that zap flying caterpillers, as well as a few jelly oceans made of other cells, that interact to "reach" up and catch flying fish with eyes in the back of their head, all on planet ?(/';[(*).>). If we went there, we would be killed by the gravity of all 678 moons, stretching and pulling the planet, and causing cracks in ?(/';[(*).>) that could swallow us at any time. The yellow skies and purple oceans make for wonderful photos, but you would need to wait until the creatures there invented a camera first, a camera small enough for a cell to use. They eventually do do this, exactly 15 years after the first creature came about. There is also one random oddball monkey on this planet, that will live for millions of years and cannot feel pain. This monkey invented an automobile with 4 wheels, 1 in front, 1 in back, and two on the sides (like a diamond shape). This ";'?>)" as they call it, is made of hardened ocean jelly (still alive) that is extremely flame resistant, very hard, nonconductive, and light. The engine ran on burning elephant tusks, which boils some mushroom juice, that then evaporates into a much more high pressure (electric) gas that works like a steam engine, but the electricity is used from it, before being recondensed into it's liquid state. This car goes 0-60mph in 14 seconds, and weighs 1000kg, but, upon reaching 100mph, a button can be pressed that will melt the vehicle down into it's built in mold, making it much more streamlined. When you fall back in speed, it puffs uf back to it's normal, very stong shape. 20 years later, they discovered that the mushrooms that were being used to power the engines died out (all used for fuel) but a few surviving ones evolved to not have any electric power. The jelly got too hot from global warming, and melted into a liquid. The monkey eventually had children somehow, and then died. The kids developed a new language, and left the idea of the car (no fuel). The elephants evolved to be grey, and only have two tusks (most of the time the rest had been burned up, so eventually one was born with two) and had straight legs. The cellular organisms evolved too, with many different species. Many! Several other creatures evolved as well, like caterpillers that didn't fly, and fish that lived in the liquid oceans with two eyes. Most moons flew out of orbit or crashed down to planet ?(/';[(*).>), and they were left with one.

Now picture this: In the universe, all those creatures evolved further into everything we see today, and one of the "monkeys" (now called a human) is typing exactly what I am right now, on a laptop, in a house in a place called "Massachusetts" (pronounced "/?>:" in their old language) which was on the continent of North America, on planet ?(/';[(*).>), which was renamed to Earth after they all evolved. That human, had just saw an animation explaining that there could be a parallel universe where I "MINICOOPER120" am typing this whole thing in my very similar world...
 
Everyone knows you need a third eye to see into the fourth dimention. Or some really good acid. :D Really interesting stuff I can pull form the thread; pity that the link failed. :(

Cheers,
Jetboy
 
Technichally speaking, it would not be opposite, or really equal (equal to what?), but yes. Not just decisions like should I have coffee or tea, but things like if how long you look at an old photograph for, 1 second, 1.0001 seconds etc. It seems there could be an infinite number of parallel universes out there, not to mention that it would be difficult to find the one you're looking for, even in the 9th dimension, for there's so many.

This may be where quantum mech comes into play. It states that there is a certain probability that anything can happen. Maybe those things do happen in the lots of other universes. In some universe, you may have just fallen through the sidewalk you were walking on a few days ago.

Travelling between these would be fascinating. Maybe you could sit in on a WW2 battle where WW2 never ended. Maybe you could watch a gladiator event. If the transfer of gravitrons could allow inter-universe communication, the possibilities are endless. We may someday progress from attempting trans-atlantic communication with a message in a bottle to flying across it.

Tapping into the 4th dimension would be hazardous. That would give us the ability to see the future. The world would go downhill from there. Hope that doesn't happen. Also don't exactly want to open up that topic.
 
1D is a line show lenght
2D is 2 lines showing lenght & width
3D is our world
4D is time
past 5th i didn't understand

i thought 5D was sound
 
At last I was able to watch the video.
I could follow the reasoning quite well up till the end, which surprises me because I don't think I'm smart. But I would like to find a book in Dutch though, which discusses this theory. I've always been interested in these things. :)

If I could see the 4th dimension, I would be rich, hehe. winning the lottery every week. If I could see the ohter dimensions, I would travel to the other side off the universe or universes by folding the ends (space), being there instantly.

I think or am I watching too much science fiction???
 
1D is a line show lenght
2D is 2 lines showing lenght & width
3D is our world
4D is time
past 5th i didn't understand

i thought 5D was sound

Sond travels through the 3 dimensions, in the form of waves. There is no seperate dimension for sound, electricity, etc. It's all included in existing dimensions.
 
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