Is duping paints considered "cheating"?

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I've made a new account so I can multiply my paints to paint and repaint my cars in any colours I want (of the colours I already own that is).

Is this cheating? Will I be hated? :sly:

Oh and I'm not duping matte or chrome paints because they look like crap. :ouch:
 
In my opinion, no. In everyone else's opinion, not sure. Some might consider it cheating, but I don't think it is.
 
Duping is only considered cheating when very expensive vehicles are being traded between two people. People dupe the cars to keep the one their sending, and also get the one from the other person. That, in my opinion, is considered cheating. But I don't think duping paints is considered cheating. I know how you feel, you must like a certain color, and never want it to disappear from your color palette.:sly:
 
ZDUPH
Duping is only considered cheating when very expensive vehicles are being traded between two people. People dupe the cars to keep the one their sending, and also get the one from the other person. That, in my opinion, is considered cheating. But I don't think duping paints is considered cheating. I know how you feel, you must like a certain color, and never want it to disappear from your color palette.:sly:
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If you consider high end cars cheating but not low end cars, then that theory is like saying cheating on your wife with an ugly gal isn't cheating but dip in the fruits of Eva Mendes and you're toast. When I think of cheating in a game (real life or virtual), I think of gaining an advantage. In no way shape or form is obtaining a car or duplicating a car giving you or anyone an advantage, nor is duplicating paints. I do it all day long and haven't become the worlds best driver. To each his own, too. I've never commented on this topic thus far and don't plan to defend my stance. Play the game however you get the most enjoyment out of it. If that's having all 20 or so X1's or your whole garage matt black (me!) then do it to it player :)
 
Your just taking your can of 'Hemi Orange' down to the local hardware store, matching the color and stealing it's mate.

What about the hardware store? Don't you care about local jobs in your area?

Maybe you could buy a cheap car from UCD and then sell it straight away to be able to offset any financial gains come tax time.
 
If you have to ask if you're cheating, then you already know the answer.

Since you can't dupe stuff with the one PSN account you're supposed to have, I don't see how duping would not be considered cheating.
 
Quite honestly, duping anything = abusing a cheat. It's not the way the game was intended. But it's only paint so meh, sure you won't get hung.
 
Slashzor308
Quite honestly, duping anything = abusing a cheat. It's not the way the game was intended. But it's only paint so meh, sure you won't get hung.
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The fact that using once only paint chips to paint your cars IS an intentional way of playing the game is one of GT5's biggest failing IMO. Why can't we have a nice easy to use system like Forza that has real time paint preview? PD's heads are in the sand sometimes.
 
mekonrider
The fact that using once only paint chips to paint your cars IS an intentional way of playing the game is one of GT5's biggest failing IMO. Why can't we have a nice easy to use system like Forza that has real time paint preview? PD's heads are in the sand sometimes.
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If we had paint preview, I probably wouldn't have to do this.
 
Paint structure in GT5 is flawed.

Cool. You have to "unlock" a paint by owning a car that has that color. But then make it available in the paint shop forever for a price. I don't want to spend a paint chip that i got from I don't know which of my 1000+ cars, then have it dissapear forever. What to do if I liked that paint? Dupe before use it, of course.
 
Duping of any sort is quite simply NOT cheating. Nobody is losing out anywhere so you're not cheating anybody despite what some people would lead you to believe.
 
PD give you 10 paint chips a day anyway, so it's not like they have any value.
 
WalkerInTN
If you have to ask if you're cheating, then you already know the answer.

Since you can't dupe stuff with the one PSN account you're supposed to have, I don't see how duping would not be considered cheating.
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I agree that duping is cheating, however, there's nowhere, I can see in, the Playstation Network Terms and Conditions of use, that states you're only supposed to have one PSN Account.

There is a reference to the fact that there is a finite number of accounts that can be created per PS3 System (refer to system manual for more information) and a restriction to 6 Sub Accounts to each main PSN Account.

But nowhere is reference made to the number of accounts which can be created by an individual, over the age of 18years.

GT Planet have in fact encouraged creation of another account to compete in the WRS. I'm sure Jordan & Co. would not encourage us to act illegally.
 
I'm an anti-duper but my general thought is that "Yes, it's cheating - but it's not going to have any impact on the game" so I'm not going to do it but I'm not going to waste any effort on it.

Cars and special paints are different though because there is a collection element involved and PD do not want people getting all cars so quickly. As a result they take action which was clear affect everyone. However, we aren't talking about duping cars....a subject which has been covered in about 95% of the posts on this forum.
 
st1gsdad67
I agree that duping is cheating, however, there's nowhere, I can see in, the Playstation Network Terms and Conditions of use, that states you're only supposed to have one PSN Account.

There is a reference to the fact that there is a finite number of accounts that can be created per PS3 System (refer to system manual for more information) and a restriction to 6 Sub Accounts to each main PSN Account.

But nowhere is reference made to the number of accounts which can be created by an individual, over the age of 18years.

GT Planet have in fact encouraged creation of another account to compete in the WRS. I'm sure Jordan & Co. would not encourage us to act illegally.
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As discussed in another thread, theres nothing illegal about it, you're simply violating an agreement (the PSN terms of service).

That means they have every right to cancel your account and ban your system like Microsoft did with many xboxes of cheaters. Is it gonna happen? Never has yet, probably never will, so don't worry.



As for the OP, you're exploiting a flaw in the game, therefore you're cheating. Go say 10 hail marys and 10 our fathers and you'll be fine.
 
st1gsdad67
PD Care :grumpy: It may fail to amaze you, but it may also affect the way you enjoy "your" game :grumpy:
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How does it? If I played online (and that's quite a big "if"), I really wouldn't care how the people I was racing against had gained their cars, all I would be interested in being in a fair race.

Everyoine having access to all cars is surely fairer than only those who have spent a million hours grinding the same race having the best cars and, therefore, being able to blow away the opposition? A friend recently told me about some FPS he plays online where, the more experience you gain, the better buffs your character gets. While this is the cornerstone of RPGs, in this instance, he informs me that it means newbies have no hope because they will always come up against those who don't necessairly have more skill than they do, but they have been playing the game longer and therefore the odds are seriosuly stacked in their favour.
 
Meh. Cheating implies an unfair advantage over someone else. “Duping a paint chip”… hmm… you won that race because you duped a paint chip, that’s not fare. Hmmm… you won that race because you duped a car that you already had to own so you could dupe it. Hmmm… that’s not fare. These morons that say duping is cheating are exactly that… MORONS.
Oh.. and for those goody-two-shoes that want to argue that cheating is also about breaking the game rules and PSN code of conduct crap are bigger morons. What does it matter to you that I dupe paints? I wish people would stop worrying about what other people do with their OWN firkin game. Sissy whingers!
 
Who cares what the kids think bud play the game how you feel is the best for you :)
 
Milldrum
Your just taking your can of 'Hemi Orange' down to the local hardware store, matching the color and stealing it's mate.

What about the hardware store? Don't you care about local jobs in your area?

Maybe you could buy a cheap car from UCD and then sell it straight away to be able to offset any financial gains come tax time.
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This brings me to a question.



To those who consider duping a paint chip to be cheating:


If I were to dupe a paint chip (which I have in the past), you would consider this cheating. What if each time I duped a paint chip, I bought a Kart and then sold it straight away? Would the few thousand credits I "spent" on getting a duplicate chip make you happy?

(Please note that I don't care at all whether or not you are happy, and have no actual plans to implement this. I just want to see what your rationale is.)
 
If it's cheating lock me up and throw away the key because I'm surely going to make a backup of my 1 gold chrome chip before I use it.
 
tyl0r_r
If it's cheating lock me up and throw away the key because I'm surely going to make a backup of my 1 gold chrome chip before I use it.
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That cracks me up. Been to jail, it isnt so bad.

When the wife wants the TV in the main room. I just go upstairs. Bought a 2nd PS3 right before the 1million cap.
Now I cant send myself car to my other PS.

dup or not, its a game. Enjoy it.
 
Even if I hate the paint chip system...I can say "you are cheating". Because as someone mntioned before: cheating means getting an advantage over someone else and with the creation of a second account to trade your chips back and forth, you get this advantage.

It is like typing a special combination to keep your chips. But as said...the paint chip system is just a bad joke and earned or bought chips should be there forever and not just as often as you got it. I real life, pro-painters have special maschines to read manufacturer codes of a special color and reproduce it as often as they want, so why limit the number in the game?
 
Thought I would find a legitimate answer to duping in here, boy was I wrong. Same self professing nonsense about it being cheating because of breaking PSN rules? The PSN rules do not cover duping, because to dupe all you do is gift a paint to anyone including yourself and copy your original save back to the main game and gift it back.

A cheat implies gaining an unfair advantage that would somehow make it to your benefit to do it. Getting multiple paints colors gives you an advantage of, being able to paint more cars a particular color...:indiff: The only grey area I see is that if you weren't able to copy your file save then you couldn't dupe but even that wouldn't stop you as you could just make multiple PSN and game saves and just send all paints you acquire from the dummy accounts to your main account. Since they give you free paints everyday now, that's even easier than duping, more random and less controlled but still getting paint you didn't do anything to "earn".

Same thing for duping cars, I don't see how this gives anyone an unfair advantage at all. If you sucked at driving a level 0 car you won't all of a sudden get better if someone gifted you a level 23 car. I'm not sure where all this elitist crap came from in GT, but it seriously needs to go. Face it PD screwed up with a great many things in GT5. The paint shop is the worst offense as Kaz and Co. thinks that everything needs to be some sort of mini game to be interesting...no it's stupid and ignorant especially considering the amount of cars and the fact you can't preview what the paint would look like on your car:sick:. These guys seem to like to make simple things complicated for no apparent reason. I actually thought that after I got the 256 color trophy, that the paint shop would be unlocked and I can use paint chips as often as I wanted...yea why would something so simple in implementation go so wrong?

The non repeatable prize car gifts, that is just as bad, it's like they want to force you to go trade cars...but there is no car trading system like in Forza...so I find it a stupid idea. Coupled with the fact that over time and usage of the car it's performance becomes irreversibly lower forcing you to buy a new car. Prize winnings are dearth and selling cars you own nets you very little cash, these compounded reasons alone is enough to suck the fun out of playing the game. So people figure out you can duplicate cars and thus the issues were overlooked for their shortcomings. Now that the restrictions are back, what do you think is going to happen? People will find different ways to get the most fun out of it. Not every idea out of PD makes much sense in the spirit of gaming fun, why fix what wasn't broken in the first place? GT4 prize system was just right, who cares if people had multiples of the same car, big deal. You sold your old worn down car and started using the back up and if you needed another back because you loved that car, you just went and won it again. Simple fun.

GT5 not so simple and what's worse is that now that UCD seems to be on a constantly changing car rotation now. I'm sorry but I have a very advanced piece of tech in the PS3 and you're limiting me to just the colors of all the cars in the game? Why? This thing has the ability to display 16.8 million colors and I am stuck with less than 1000 paint colors? Of course I'll dupe paints why not, I'm already limited by color choices and inability to actually paint the car to whatever design I can think of. People we want fun out of our game, not a slough fest with some archaic paint scheme. If we keep bothering them, perhaps PD will just give us a paint shop that has all the real manufacturer paint colors and a color sampler that allows us to make any paint we can. Simple things that lend to identity, come on PD.

They want each person to have his own identity online, but you have a crap load of limitations which there is no way around. All cars that can be painted can only use the paint that everyone else will at one time or another...get it together PD. Play FM3 and see what a paint shop is all about and what it can do for boosting interaction between players aside from just racing...oh and where is our tune saving feature? What's the point of a lounge and track day, when you can't save multiple set ups for one car...I'm not resorting to writing that stuff down. Get it together PD. I love playing this game but glaring issues that shouldn't have been there in the first place is sapping some of my enjoyment out.
 

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