Is grinding really nessecary?

[ScouserHUN]

You got it - is should be about racing - but without the appropriate level you can't participate in the races....

But unfortunately GT5 isn't about racing - it is about stupid special events and about licences that are good for nothing and for even more stupid "B-Spec"...

You're not right. This game is about RACING. You're just looking for it in a bad place: offline.

I havent touched A-Spec since dinging lvl25. I'm just playing with my friends online. You will never find an AI in any racing game that is close enough to race with human opposition.

 

[VBR]

I'm A-Spec level 25/B-Spec level 0, golded all beginners, Intermediate & Pro events (not started on the next ones yet), also golded all of the seasonal Events & most of the Special Events too. I have 90 cars so far (I never sell any & only buy what I need) plus 5.6 million credits & haven't done one single grind so far. I'm hoping that I won't ever need to, but maybe I'll hit a wall sooner or later like others have & be forced into it.

 

[DanDiplo]

I've been playing the game since release and haven't done any so-called "grinding". Then again I'm not impatient to get my hands on every car in the game or race every track. I know these things will come as time progresses. I'd much rather enjoy the game over the long term than try and experience it all in a short period. Relax, have fun and remember it is only a game!

 

[Zembla]

What's a shame is that there are 1000 cars, and by far not enough races to fully make use of such an extensive carlist.

In one way many of the races are too limited, in another they are not. I'd have preferred if they put in more HP/weight limits, but less region limits. Also more MR/4WD/FF sort of limits. I'd have genuinely liked many more races so that I have more chances to play car x on track y. Right now it seems that to race a certain car, I only have a few tracks to choose from, and the opposition is pretty much fixed.

Variety. Variety is what I'm missing.

I'd really have preferred if they removed the levelling system, and just did it via the drivers licenses again. It just feels to me they put in the levels so people aren't as upset with having to do license tests to be able to participate in a certain race. Funny then that the same limits still apply, just as levels rather than drivers licenses.


-Z

 

[Exorcet]

I just see a lot of people saying "if they didn't make me grind etc" as excuses for doing questionable things in the game. I really don't see where they are forcing anyone to do Indy over and over since there are plenty of ways to get credits if you just drive and let the credits/xp go up from whatever your having fun doing.

Just drive and you will get the XP because its all about driving in this game. GT5 is meant to be played for a long time.

Well, just as you, GT Motion, are perplexed by grinding, I am perplexed by what Karooo has stated.

The leveling system and locked features are worthless to longevity. The only way that a game will last is if it is good - ie, fun to play.



Some people assume for no reason that others who are grinding are aiming to "finish" the game and be done with it. But how does having everything in the game related to completing it? Once every car is unlocked, you are free to race anyway you want, and I'm sure a race can be fun more than once, if you actually want to do it. Grinding is necessary, because if you want maximum variety in a reasonable amount of time, you can't afford to do races that pay you poorly. The endurance races are a joke. In 24 hrs, I could probably hit the 20,000,000 credit limit by doing Indy, spend it all, and then do it again. The 24 hr races don't even give you 1,000,000 if I recall.

The leveling system only creates misery by needlessly, pointlessly, limiting players' choices. It seems to be a theme in the game. Make something with a lot of potential, and then almost ruin it. My garage is approaching 200 cars. Everytime I go online, I struggle to find a mix favorites that I want to use for races because I can't fit all my favorite cars in such a tiny list.

Now that you can earn xp for online races, there is no need to grind. I grind because I personally find it a fun way to learn tracks while also earning large xp/credits. There is no need to grind in this game unless you want to.

I'm level 32. Online "prizes" don't even register on my XP bar or bank account compared to offline. And funnily enough, the offline races are all easy and boring compared to online. Online should pay about 10 times what offline does at the least.

 

[gambleboyen]

You could always play the sunday cup with a 25 BHP subaru from the 50s. That's about as far from the grind as you can get.

 

[fr33style]

Grinding is necessary in order to access new races restricted by the XP system. It has nothing to do with 'wanting to complete the game faster.' I played GT4 for years and I wasn't forced to race a certain amount in order to unlock later races. If you believe GT5 is about racing, then there's no need to restrict what kinds of cars we can buy and what events we can race in based on XP.

You can try to gold in every special event and now seasonal races to ease the grind, but that simply doesn't happen for the vast majority of GT players and is presumptuous to believe so. The entire point of Gold/Silver/Bronze is to separate players by their skill. Why should you be hindered from trying a new batch of races that you meet the requirements because you haven't replayed enough races?

This was never present before in GT.

 

[911_RS]

I've spent the last 7 days grinding my B Spec guys at DCC, collecting 1M cr, then hitting the UCD....My list of about 225 cars I initially set out for has dwindled now to a handfull.....

I'm gold through Extreme, not into Endurance, but I will spend a lot of quality racing time taking a myriad of different cars to different tracks....

That's just the way I roll....

 

[GazRwood]

911 RS Thats the way to enjoy it!

You have to grind on B-spec quite alot when you get past level 30. That does seem pointless!

In A-spec i completed golds in all the licenses and specials and was upto level 25 without grinding at all. I even had the Formula gt event to do still. I did the first 6 endurances, seasonal events and the vettel challenges and im now upto level 34 without grinding(getting golds is not easy though) So no i don't see it as being essential to grind before level 30. People have been grinding to level up quickly and earn lot of credits. I'd say just enjoy the game take some slower cars into races etc. Most dedicated GT fans will be at level 40 one day. Some will be after 3 weeks, others 6 months! I know which people will have enjoyed it more!

 

[handy]

<rant> I just wish the prize money for events would at least cover the cost of having to buy and mod the necessary car for that particular event. Dropping 100k-600k just to be able to enter the race and have a chance at beating it and only winning 20k-99k is a slap in the face. and to top it off the prize car is usually THE CAR YOU NEED TO DO THE EVENT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Why can't the prize car be one needed for a different event? even that small change would make a world of difference. Instead of being: Here is a car you don't need because you already bought one. it could be: Here is a car that you will need in a future race.
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+1 👍 it's all about GAME FLOW and making the experience more enjoyable ie not a drag. It's the equivalent of back tracking through a level(s) in a fps to search for some stupid item you need to advance further. Too much in gaming is repetitive and lazy design. Games you remember fondly (maybe because you actually FINISHED them-gasp!) have a "story" that flows. Note that it doesn't mean easy.

 

[shepzki]

For me grinding is just something I have to do, I only have a DS3 and can't even do the vettel challenge although I have golded everything else apart from the grand tour special event. Lvl 31 A-Spec & 25 B-Spec, currently grinding the DCC with my B-Spec drivers to earn more cash & get their experience levels up. I don't mind so much grinding B-Spec so much in the really long races caus I can just watch a dvd at the same time. Already had my guys do 2 GVS endurance races today in less than 3 hours which was good, not mega rewards but good enough.

A-Spec grinding is another matter, probably be another 2 years before I manage to finish that off.

 

[machschnel]

You know the worst thing though?

There are myriad License Test's in Gran Turismo 5. Why are they there? You either use the (horrid) Level system, or use license's to ascertain a driver's skill level and whether it is enough for a certain event.

But to implement both features, and poorly at that?

 

[Jet-Black_]

What if you just play the game and don't care about the next level? Play online, play your favourite races offline and just have fun with GT5. What happens if you just ding lvl29 in just 2 weeks time?

This game is about racing. If you don't race enough you won't see every content.

The fact I have to grind does not mean I focus primarily on doing it. I just see it as an long term obligation because if I don't do it I will only reach the last 5 levels in the next 5 years.

I play mostly online when on GT5, but to me playing offline is not racing. the AI is so slow that it gives me no pleasure in repeating races. And while not racing I'll just have my bobos repeating endurances...

 

[machschnel]

And while not racing I'll just have my bobos repeating endurances...

My father was recently visiting over Christmas. When I went into the lounge room to restart a B-Spec race, he was quite confused - "Why is the game playing itself?". I explained to him it wasn't merely playing itself, but that I had control over it, kind of like the Manager of a football team. "But how did to keep tabs on it while we were having lunch for two hours?". To which I explained, you can just "set and forget". "So what's the point then, shouldn't you be playing the game?" Touche dad.

 

[MeToo]

The grinding is necessary because the rewards are pitiful compared to GT4 and the cars cost a lot more than GT4, eg GT5 has cars costing 20 million, thats just ridiculous. In GT4 the Nurburgring 24 hours race gave you a 1.2 million plus a Formula gran turismo each time which you could sell for about 1 million. The ElCapitan endurance race you could b spec that one and be done in less than 45 minutes you'd get I think it was 150,000 for the win and the Minolta Toyota car each time which you could sell for 743,000.
Oh and the mjost expensive car in GT4 was 4.5million, GT5 has cars costing 20million, 14 million and 10 million.
Then GT5 only lets you win each prize car once which further limits how much money you can get.
At least in GT4 you didn;t have this XP rubbish either, once you had the needed licence for a race, that was it you can enter any car you';ve got the money for, now in GT5 even if you have the car and the licence, its still not enough you also need the XP level.

 

[Stotty]

In all honesty I have not found a great deal of need for unpleasant grinding unless my memory is truly failing me and I'm viewing the last few weeks through rose-tinted glasses.

I obtained gold on all licences and Special Events which got me through the initial levels very quickly, then I set about getting gold on all A-spec events.

Since late December I have golded all seasonal events and 5 of the 10 Endurance events, having only needed to repeat the Indy 500 once. The Vettel events are now also golded which means I am sitting at Level 34 A-spec, soon to be Level 35 as soon as I run the Suzuka 1000km for the first time.

I just can't remember having had to repeat anything many times over to get here, and I certainly haven't gained any significant XP from running the few online races that I have.

All the best
Maz

I took a very similar route... golded all the licenses 1st, then golded all the challenges, then started the A spec career races, which got me to the high 20's. Then I B specced up to level 30, unlocked the Vettel Challenges and golded them, taking me to level 34 (will be level 35 if I can get the patience to run the Tsukuba 9h).

B spec however, does require a huge amount of grinding once you get to the endurance events... you need to run multiples of each enduro to unlock the next level events. This can be a pain, but I tend to run them over night and will start running them during the day too when I return to work next week.

On line is pretty much irrelevent for exp... I still need around 400k to get to level 35, and you get a few 1000 for an on line race!

 

[YouichiHophop]

What if you just play the game and don't care about the next level? Play online, play your favourite races offline and just have fun with GT5. What happens if you just ding lvl29 in just 2 weeks time?

This game is about racing. If you don't race enough you won't see every content.

I have just played the game, I've won every race thats open to me, done all the special events/license tests/seasonal events to the best of my ability, and there's no more races for me to do yet.

So I have to grind, to unlock the next level/new race.

The whole grind problem is because there aren't enough A-spec events, if there were twice as many events, there would still be new races I haven't done.

In GT4 I'd be doing all the dealership races for XP, but thats not an option here.