Is GT5 really worth complaining about

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Run Suzuka 1000km wet and tell me if it's reasonable to complain about wasting (yeah, it's wasting) 11+ (Aspec/Bspec) hours.

If you don't think it's "worth it" then you're just a GT5 fanboy who would eat whatever PD pooped out. If you want to be a fanboy that's all fine and dandy... just don't complain about the people who complain. Some people actually care about the quality of the game.
 
The title of this thread tells me that the people who aren't complaining probably want to complain but don't think GT5 is worth enough to complain about. Also the people who are complaining are the ones who think the game is worth the most.

The people who are complaining about the complainers are the strange ones as they don't think GT5 is worth enough, but feel the complainers are.:boggled:
 
So far ive been enjoying Gran Turismo 4.1

Ive been selling most of the standard cars ive gotten and mainly focusing on Premiums.

Then the car list is a bit short, but doable.

The one thing that is really unforgivable is B-Spec, i cannot take another race where that retard has a 100-200HP advantage, in a 1000KG car, on the best tires available, and a friggin 1 series BMW is staying in front of him (i have a cool driver, and a hot driver, 1 stays behind the 1 series, 1 drives past and spins on the first sharp corner)

Its like the B-spec drivers are those 17 year old kids who are taking their first driving lessons and you have to hold their hand every single second otherwise they`ll just stay on the right lane and won't go above 80 kph

He`s supposed to be a race driver yeah?, well when a much slower car is in front of you, you shouldn't have to stay behind him till your crew chief says "pass!"

Also don't get me started on Brilliant Bob`s performances on the oval.. FFFFFFFfffff!!!
 
Run Suzuka 1000km wet and tell me if it's reasonable to complain about wasting (yeah, it's wasting) 11+ (Aspec/Bspec) hours.

If you don't think it's "worth it" then you're just a GT5 fanboy who would eat whatever PD pooped out. If you want to be a fanboy that's all fine and dandy... just don't complain about the people who complain. Some people actually care about the quality of the game.

The people who want to complain complain for the sake of complaining.

People who provide constructive criticism care about the quality of the game.

There is the delineation for you.
I think it is worth it to provide PD with constructive criticism on ways to improve the game, but complaining and not being specific about what the community wants doesn't help.

In a nutshell, constructive criticism is.
1: Stating the complaint
2: Stating why it is a complaint
3: Providing suggestions to fix the complaint
4: Problem has better chances of being solved.

Or you can just complain. I don't care.
Complain all ya want. It's your right to be allowed to and i won't interfere.

TLDR;

Constructive Criticism =/= Complaining
CC = caring about game quality
Complaining = doing it for the sake of it
 
Let's put it in black and white since giving examples didn't seem to help you two at all. Constructive feedback pin-points a problem and then offers suggestions for how it could be improved. Complaining finds everything that makes the person unhappy and claims it's crappy or that it sucks and does very little to point things in the right direction. EVERYTHING Luminis said was complaining. How valid the points are is irrelevant. Even if everything on there was 100% true, he still just said it was a problem and he wants someone else to come up with the ideas on how to fix it for him. That's complaining. The person who mentioned the XP and leaderboards in online racing isn't just saying "The online experience sucks." or "It's a mediocre experience". He was saying what exactly he thought could be done to improve it. That is called constructive criticism. See the difference?

He, just for the record: It was complaining, yeah, because that's what the OP asked for. In case you forgot the initial question raised by him:
I've complained about GT5 before but is it really worth moaning about because it gives you 1000 cars to play around with does it really matter whether their standard or premium what is there else to really complain about :)
I answered that. Nothing more.

Want me to provide contructive criticism? Well, I'll keep it short.

"Out of those thousand cars (yeah, beautiful number, I know), 220 are up to date. The other 800 are just recycled, outdated stuff, restricted in quite a few ways. Oh, and they sound crappy. The A4 Touring Car my B-Spec driver is currently using to grind levels sounds like one of those little slot cars."
Solution: Outsource the work on the standard cars to upgrade them to second-rate premiums. Offer them in packs to download. Oh, and enable the user to pick himself which cars to be part of a single pack. Personally, I'd even be willing to pay a small fee for it.

"B-Spec mode and the incredible stupidity and inability of its driver."
Turn B-Spec into an alternative to A-Spec as it was in GT4. Probably impossible now, so reduce the 'training' factor. Patch the B-Spec driver's AI and behaviour to be more on par with the other AI drivers. He'd at least win reliably that way as soon as he has the superior car.

"The AI."
At least stop it from breaking way early. Maybe iprove the recoginition of the player's car a little, that's not as important, in my opinion, though.

"The experience system."
Increase the XP won in the events to reduce the grinding needed to level up.

"The lack of events in both A-Spec and B-Spec."
Hurr durr, add more of them? Otherwise, at least increase the amount of races for the events. That way, buying cars specifically for an event would be less of a waste.

"Lack of tuning options. Customising individual gear ratios and tyre pressure spring to mind."
Add more in-depth tuning. At least stop with the "Stage 1, 2, 3" stuff and do the engine tuning in the same way it was in GT4. As far as car setups go, at least do what Forza 3 did... hey, it's only Forza, how hard can it be? :sly:

"Cluttered menues."
Streamline them. Instead of stacking fancy pictures, go with what works. Also, reduce the amount of confirmation pop-ups for minor things, such as claiming a free car.

"Mediocre (at best) HUD."
1) Enable the player to resize and enable/disable parts of the HUD.
2) Place the information more to the edges of the screen. The worst example is the map during rally events.

"License tests are completely meaningless."
Make licenses the requirement to enter events again instead of levels.

"Events that require you to hunt for a specific used car, that appears every now and then and costs a fortune (and thereby stopping you from buying cars you like, unless you want to grind for even mroe credits)."
Either change the events to use premium cars, change the used car lot to provide these cars as you unlock the events or make them attainable as price cars.

"Damage (both visual and mechanical) completely lacking in GT Life."
Implement the mechanical damage from the online lobbies in GT Life. Just have the game auto-restore it for free like it does for visual damage. Make visual damage a little more severe, as in, not requiring a bazillion crashes to become noticible.

"Features that were mentioned on the back of the box or in the manual (at least the US version's) are missing from the game."
Dunno, like, add those feature?

So, there you go.
 
I really had no complaints until I recently connected to online and got an update. I went to my usual b-spec mode to find that the cockpit camera where you actually see your driver and the inside of the car has been removed. Now this is the only camera that I used during races in b-spec simply because of the amount of detail in driver animations and shadows in the car and now it is no longer available. What a shame!
 
He, just for the record: It was complaining, yeah, because that's what the OP asked for. In case you forgot the initial question raised by him:

I answered that. Nothing more.

If you admit it was complaining, then we're not arguing. It's pretty clear you've misunderstood why I quoted you from the very beginning. All I've been saying all along was that it was an example of complaining and that clearly differs from constructive feedback. Both points, you seem to agree with. The second time around what you typed would be considered constructive criticism. My whole point was, that's more effective than just complaining. I wasn't chewing you out for not answering the OP's question properly, even though I'm fairly certain it was rhetorical. I never claimed that you shouldn't have posted that here or even that you should have posted constructive criticism here instead. I just meant that there was a clear difference and I was defining that difference.

If you read the posts right before I first quoted you, the discussion was the difference between constructive feedback and complaining. Since your post was an example of complaining, that's the only reason I quoted you. I wasn't dissing your post. You've been fighting a battle that was never really there all day.

Also, let it be noted that I was well aware your intention was to complain from the beginning. I knew you were trying to answer the (somewhat rhetorical) question posed by the OP from the start. It wasn't until someone began claiming that your original post was criticism and not complaining, that the argument began.
 
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Hmmm, so now we are going to complain about how others complain.

Interesting.

The OP doesn't ask anything, but one question.

Other threads address more of what the problems are and what should be done about them.

I suspect many of us could write a page or two on that subject.
(chances are, only one in maybe fifty would take the time to read it anyway)

And quite frankly, thats pretty far, above and beyond the question.
 
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I think the game is worth complaining about because the "core" of it is great.
And most of the annoying things (like lack of and quality of events, "standard" cockpit for standard cars, remove ore at least overwork of the xp system, maybe rework of the AI etc.) could more ore less easily be changed in a update....
 
Nyd. (no you didn't) :sly:

Yeah... you hear one or two Standard cars that sound like a vacuum and they all suck. Sure, no exaggeration there...

And the whining about the menus and HUD is getting old. I haven't found a racing game yet which I enjoyed running through menus. If you really want to complain, play rFactor.

The rest of it does need to be looked at. But as EternityMachine says, there are ways you can assess shortcomings without e-whining about them. Many who complain about GT5 do have valid points, but the inane, grouchy way they post them just makes me ignore everything they have to say.

If I was someone from PD who was assigned to check the site out for feedback, I'd have to start an ignore list pretty quickly. And supposedly they do, so I hope we aren't giving them headaches.
 
Nyd. (no you didn't) :sly:

Yeah... you hear one or two Standard cars that sound like a vacuum and they all suck. Sure, no exaggeration there...
Oh, most of them sound way off, at least going by what I had to hear so far. Not that that's restricted to only standard cars, though.

If I was someone from PD who was assigned to check the site out for feedback, I'd have to start an ignore list pretty quickly. And supposedly they do, so I hope we aren't giving them headaches.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that PD are pretty good at ignoring stuff.
 
agree, I got that horrible game MAG and was done with it after 3 months of trying to look past the garbage it was/is. I didn't bother posting on their board because the game was bad enough I won't pick it up again or buy a sequel. On the other hand I've been playing GT since day one in Dec 97 and want to see the game improved in patches or in GT6. If you want it changed then you have to speak up, not sit on your hands and say it's good enough. I didn't buy the CE for this and sure won't make the mistake of buying GT6 till i know it's much improved over GT5. Luminis post is pretty much spot on with whats wrong with the game.

Funny, I think MAG is a LOT better game than GT5. LOL

Different strokes for different folks I guess. :)
 
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