Is the game to Japanese

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The big problem i have with the game is that there is to many japanese cars and just all around feel, there are alot of good cars that are being left out it seems like.

I know that sony dosent have lisences to alot of things but what i dont get is this game is very popular and good so why cant they get the porsches and lambo's and the Fourmula 1 cars (not the sony poly whatever versions) and why do they call it a realistic racing sim when you dont even crash?

I feel like its nascar out there when im racing (not making fun of nascar i love it) i just dont get it how dose a game like Forza get all the lisences but sony wont or dosent idk i just think there are to many japancese cars that are the actual brands themselves im just sick of it i think that the germans the italinas the brits make great cars better even then the Japanese.

I think thats why the game Forza is so good is becasue its made by a second party.
 
hmm of course it would be japanese biased because the producers would be able to access more japanese cars easily because they are based in japan

in gt5 i would like to see more australian cars and tracks
 
And another thing why dont you get a cockpit view? i have never understood that i dont want a roof view or a car view or a road view i want to feel like im in a car when im playing a car game :dunce:
 
I think the game feels too Japanese because, well, it was made in Japan. American cars in Japan are nothing special, and if they want one, they have to import it. Because Japanese cars are so abundant in the west, and popular, it only makes sense that games made here would also focus heavily on Japanese cars.

Games developed in the West will have more American cars of course, but asking why a Japanese developed game feels too Japanese is kinda pointless imo, seeing as they love their own cars just as the US loves its own cars. The only difference between the two countries is that American cars (at least not to my knowledge) have never been officially sold in Japan.

That being said, however, I feel it would be nice to get rid of some of the cars no one will ever drive, and instead put in some American cars that people would like to see. I was miffed when there was no Escort in the Ford section :crazy:
 
easy answer , money talks. . . xbox [or the company that made the game] had more money, therefore lambo & ferrari and the other big names were there. Forza has the money advantage.. They have more backing, more time to make it look more realistic[ie more cars & crash-simulations.. body damage etc] I'm sure if Polyphony took the time & effort they could do the same, but they didn't, they kept with GT tradition, no damage, just speed; it seems to be an emphasis on fun and speed, rather than a complete reality in GT, even though the graphics tell you otherwise[that is the 'real driving sim' part of the title. Forza seems to be more realistic, taking over where polyphony left off. With body-damage etc, giving it more of a racing feel, bad idea to knock someone out of your way etc, due to body damage.. i typed as i was thinking, so its not a fluent paragraph, g'nite [12:30am]


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as far as the cars themselves go, i agree that its more japan-based, as its pointed out, japanese cars are more viable, however, you dont need to ship a car to get it into a game, you just need the blueprints for it [dimensions anyways] so you can model it, and photos, to make sure you get the details right. Its all about the money guys.. the japanese cars were cheaper, thus more plentiful in the game. The well known american cars, the classic GT cars and the same of the other cars, were probably already in a database they just had to update the models with more polygons & different settings to put in the updated game... :dunce:


personally i want to see more rally tracks.. and maybe some more american tracks.. hell, maybe a build your own? lol that'd be a cool little feature. 💡
 
Juice476
I know that sony dosent have lisences to alot of things but what i dont get is this game is very popular and good so why cant they get the porsches and lambo's and the Fourmula 1 cars (not the sony poly whatever versions) ...
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if it's that easy why don't they give you the business to run? you don't even know what's the cost of those license and you start judging them

PD said the licenses of porsche, lambo, ferrari are too high (I heard it from Fifth Gear), of course they've calculated that even w/o these brands GT can still sell well

even these exotic brands charges so high license fees, needless to say F1. and also F1 teams won't give you the exact data of their highly secret F1 cars
 
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as far as the cars themselves go, i agree that its more japan-based, as its pointed out, japanese cars are more viable, however, you dont need to ship a car to get it into a game, you just need the blueprints for it [dimensions anyways] so you can model it, and photos, to make sure you get the details right.
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PD model each car with driving on a track, taking data like pitch/roll/G, simply the dimensions is not enough, and they also record each car's noise
 
i dont think they did a very good job outside the cuda & a specific few others.

edit: one of my teachers' friends designs the front diffusers on the F1 cars, just the front diffuser, thats how specific these cars need to be, and they will not give out that secret readily.. when we went to the CarbonByDesign.com exposition, they made a few products in front of us, including a hood used on a pro-race team, and a specific wing for a mustang.. that was functional, a LOT of design goes into these small items on a car that has to go at those speeds and stay in control during turns.. :dunce:
 
I dont car about the US cars im from the US but personaly i think the Germans and the Italians make the best Cars on earth i hate playing with these little w
 
Actually, it's not even all that "Japanese" if you were to go by the cars that you'll find on a typical road in Japan. There are some very popular Japanese cars that have never been included in the game. For example, the absence of any of the Toyota Crown series is quite striking in its absence. This is the car that the royalty of Japan travel in, or the Nissan President which is like the Rolls Royce of Japan. You see one of those, and you can almost guarantee that it is owned by some rich executive. And then the most popular car in all of Japan (though not really a car) is the kei tora, or Kei truck which graces the garage of virtually every farm in Japan. Or how about the ever popular mini vans? They are basically a kei truck, but in van form.

Aside from the President, you would have a hard time driving five blocks on any side street in Japan without coming across at least one example of all of those cars. Especially the Crown which is what you'll probably be riding in if you ever find yourself in a Japanese Taxi.

Yet, none have ever been included in any of the games. They give us two versions of the midget which you can drive for months in Japan without seeing, or 50 versions of the skyline which aren't all that popular with Japanese, despite their popularity with the American riceboy crowd.
 
It's a Japanese game, so there fore there will always be a greater tendency to lean toward Japanese cars, which for me is fine, as I am a BIG fan of Japanese cars.

We all know that other companies hold the exclusive rights to certain car brands, Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo for instance, Sony have not aquired these due to the price that these licenses command, which is why MS will have them, they have a bigger finicial backing in videogaming than Sony.

I think that the selection of cars in GT4 is the best yet of ANY game, as for the other factors this is my take on it.

1) Why are there no "cockpits"

I believe this to be because for one, the time taken to model authentic cockpits for every car would have doubled the production time, secondly the added polygons and textures would have streched the ,already at the limit, hardware in the PS2 and brought the game to a crawl, and lastly these addtions would have probably pushed the game size way past the limit of the game media, meaning some other things would have to be pushed out.

2) Why is there no damage.

You must remember that GT4 is a DRIVING game, I dont believe it to be a "racing" game as such, and because of this I don't feel that crash damage is that important, heck you are supposed to drive the cars, not crash them :) , but this does give you the edge when "racing" against other cars as you can bash them, but I think its down the the individual to excercise some restraint and drive properly.

3) Why is the AI so bad

Again, I believe GT4 to be purely a DRIVING game, not a racing game, which is why I dont believe racing AI is that important.

I also see things like "why did PD give us 50 different Skylines?", well you need to remember that the skyline is one of, if not the, most important sports saloon/coupe that has EVER been made in Japan, is has a huge history which dates back as far as the 1950's, and also owned the GP scene in the 60's, kicking Porcshe into touch on more than a few occasions.

If anyone is in any doubt as to the importance of the Skyline, then a read of the history here will show you > http://history.jbskyline.net/

Forza is IN NO WAY a perfect game, I have it too, and its a good ADDITION to my racing collection, but its not better.

Dan.
 
yer GT2 had heaps of rally tracks , what ever happened to them.

cars like the Mercedes W196 should have been included, GT4 has completely missed out on some eras like the 50's and 70's

actual i would like to see Gran Turismo 1 The Real Racing Simlulator, more pure racing cars from the 70's 80's 90's

something is missing from the current era of motor sport and i can't put my finger on it

hmmm im so sad (lol)
 
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and i though that we were the lazy country ha lol lol
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I am betting you have never modelled anything anywhere near as detailed as a car cockpit, if you had of done then you would be in no doubt of the time and effort required.

If you don't like or enjoy GT4 , rather than ***** and moan about it just don't play it, or return it to the shop.

GT4 is in noway perfect, no even close, everybody can think of 100 things they would like to add to it, but the devs have to put a finish line somewhere otherwise the product would never see light of day.

Its the best driving simulator available today bar none, heck the inclusion of the best rendition of the Nurburgring since GPL and 700 odd cars to drive round it is more than worth the entry price alone,

Dan.
 
I also see things like "why did PD give us 50 different Skylines?", well you need to remember that the skyline is one of, if not the, most important sports saloon/coupe that has EVER been made in Japan, is has a huge history which dates back as far as the 1950's, and also owned the GP scene in the 60's, kicking Porcshe into touch on more than a few occasions.

If tickling Porsche's on the race track is such a big deal, then why didn't they give us Porsches? Because Microsoft is richer than Sony? I'm not sure which is "richer", but I'm pretty sure that Sony isn't exactly worrying about how much money Microsoft has spent on Forza thus far.

Microsoft is actually a lot more worried about Sony breaking into their GUI market. After all, what is a console but a computer, and with the PS3's specs, what is the PS3 but a very fast computer that is more than enough to enter into the home computing market as a valid alternative to Windows equipped machines?

Why do you think Microsoft even bothered with entering the very competitive as well as risky market of console games? It is because they understand that a game console is a computer, and Microsoft's lifeblood involves providing a GUI operating system for.... (can anybody help me out here?) _______.
 
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I also see things like "why did PD give us 50 different Skylines?", well you need to remember that the skyline is one of, if not the, most important sports saloon/coupe that has EVER been made in Japan, is has a huge history which dates back as far as the 1950's, and also owned the GP scene in the 60's, kicking Porcshe into touch on more than a few occasions.

If tickling Porsche's on the race track is such a big deal, then why didn't they give us Porsches? Because Microsoft is richer than Sony? I'm not sure which is "richer", but I'm pretty sure that Sony isn't exactly worrying about how much money Microsoft has spent on Forza thus far.

Microsoft is actually a lot more worried about Sony breaking into their GUI market. After all, what is a console but a computer, and with the PS3's specs, what is the PS3 but a very fast computer that is more than enough to enter into the home computing market as a valid alternative to Windows equipped machines?

Why do you think Microsoft even bothered with entering the very competitive as well as risky market of console games? It is because they understand that a game console is a computer, and Microsoft's lifeblood involves providing a GUI operating system for.... (can anybody help me out here?) _______.
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MS has these licenses, Sony can't or won't afford to buy them from MS, its the same deal as EA holding the rights to the FIFA license, no other company can use it.

MS got into consoles purely because they saw a market that they were not making money out of, the Xbox is a good console, its better on paper than the PS2, but I its not in reality.

The PS3 will never be a replacement for the PC, neither will any console, because consoles are designed and optimised to do one thing, and one thing only, play games, anything else is done better on a PC.

Dan.
 
Clearly GT isn't "too" anything, since it sells. If it was "too Japanese", people wouldn't buy it.


But anyone who looks upon a car and says "That is a (insert country name here) car" first - especially in a computer game - is an idiot. It's a car. It may, or may not, be fast. It may, or may not, handle well. What does it matter where the company who made it have their head office?
 
basically it is a japanese game hence the japanese theme and feel.

more rounded feel would be better for me but most of the purchasers of the game are japanese too... (i am guessing)
 
Anywon who cant see that GT4 is to japanese is dum. The reeson dumesticks arent in the game more is cuz in the reel werld japaknees cars loose evrytime in a rase. Werd. :dunce:















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I don't think the game is too Japanese. There is quite a variety of vehicles with more older cars than ever before. I'd assume that for the next version on the PS3 there'll be even more cars.


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most of the purchasers of the game are japanese too... (i am guessing)
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I'd guess differently. North America? Europe? The rest of Asia?
I'd guess most purchasers of the game aren't Japanese.

The PS3 will never be a replacement for the PC, neither will any console, because consoles are designed and optimised to do one thing, and one thing only, play games, anything else is done better on a PC.
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I disagree with that. Maybe that is the way things looked 10 years ago, but now all electronic devices are becoming more and more multifunctional - mobile phones that take photos, PDA things that send emails, make mobile calls and play MP3 etc... I'm sure that consoles will soon become 'Home Entertainment Systems' which would play music, record movies on HDD, burn to disks, play games, online, make your dinner etc..


Is the game to Japanese - Is the game too Japanese?. TOO meaning excessively.
lambo's - that apostrophe is incorrect.
Apostraphes where there shouldn't be any and none where there should be...
Maybe it is just me being pedantic, but so many mistakes of the simplest sort make the writer look like an idiot, imo. 👎
 
Juice476
And another thing why dont you get a cockpit view? i have never understood that i dont want a roof view or a car view or a road view i want to feel like im in a car when im playing a car game :dunce:
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Can't say that i really see the point of the 'head-out-of-the-sunroof' view in GT4, it should be a view over the bonnet.

Track_Veteran
Anywon who cant see that GT4 is to japanese is dum. The reeson dumesticks arent in the game more is cuz in the reel werld japaknees cars loose evrytime in a rase. Werd. :dunce:
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obviously not a english language Veteran...... this guy's 28!
 
Too Japanese? WTF!?
Well, GT4 is made in Japan so I wouldn't be surprised that it has alots of japanes cars in it but it still has cars from all over Europe and from the US. So, why complain about GT4 being too japanese?
 
I for one partially agree. PD has different releases for different areas of the world. So why can't the North American release have more North American cars? I understand the time it takes to model cars, but do we really need 100 sub 100hp cars? Do we need 30 different versions of the Skyline? I kinda like that they included the older versions of the Skyline for a kind of "history of the Skyline" tour, it is interesting. To hell with the guys at Lambo and Porsche. Sure I'd love to have them in the game, they are great automobiles, but to ask so much for licensing to simply put them in a game is really, in my opinion, well,,,,expected. As far as damage is concerned, I don't want it. It is much funner to play and not have to deal with damage. I played Need for Speed on the PC and didn't care for it. The cockpit view was rather cool, but the whole looking left and right was too much. A little sideview mirror like the rear view wood be a welcome addition for me though.
All in all, I think PD has done a great job. Just look at the members of this site that play it. Ages 8-64, girls, boys, men, women, all over the globe. The graphics detail is gorgeous, the physics engine is a world above GT3, there are more cars than one would care to drive, there are great tracks in the game from all over the world, in spectacular detail. I mean, we have graffiti on Nurburgring, port-o-potties at Infineon, "monkeys" at Trial Mountain LOL.
My personal pet peave is the AI, as is most here at GTP. But I truly do not know how it could be made better to suit every instance. Sure it's aggrevating to get forced off the road, but it is done irl, it's a pain to get spun out going 200mph on a straight, but watch NASCAR one weekend, it is done irl. Well I guess that enough for now.

Oh, by the way Juice, this is more like it. Great thread.

JParker
 
Sure there are a lot of japanese cars. But then the Japanese are having many car manufacturers with a quite wide range of models...so no wonder they are making out the biggest percentage of all the nations present....and they also have a few tracks there to test their cars...so it all makes sense(even if you may not like it).

I think PD tried much harder this time to give it a more international feeling, adding the Italian, French, American and German Tracks (just to name a few nations) to the game. (Thank you for the RING :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: )

To what JParker said :The graphics detail is gorgeous, the physics engine is a world above GT3, there are more cars than one would care to drive, there are great tracks in the game from all over the world, in spectacular detail. I mean, we have graffiti on Nurburgring, port-o-potties at Infineon, "monkeys" at Trial Mountain LOL. Well said matey! 👍
 

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