IS there two BMW M5 in the game??

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Aavtually the new BMW desgins are not from the X coupe ,the took it all from the Z9 ,if you look at the Z9 you'll see that it looks like the 6 series mostly ,also the 7 series had alot from that rear end and the Z4 has the from.

If you look lat this equation z4 front+ 7 Series back = 6 series which orginally came from the z9 ,and the new 3 series and 5 have the sam concept in desgin ,the one series has the the fron of the X coupe .

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(sorry to go off topic here for a sec, but can someone give me the link to that really cool picture takein in photomode at the Grand Canyon?)
 
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Aavtually the new BMW desgins are not from the X coupe ,the took it all from the Z9 ,if you look at the Z9 you'll see that it looks like the 6 series mostly ,also the 7 series had alot from that rear end and the Z4 has the from.

If you look lat this equation z4 front+ 7 Series back = 6 series which orginally came from the z9 ,and the new 3 series and 5 have the sam concept in desgin ,the one series has the the fron of the X coupe.
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Actually the X coupe was the car BMW used to show their new flame surfacing concept, all BMW's now use flame surfacing, the Z9 came AFTER the X Coupe and was using the same design concept as the X coupe, flame surfacing. So the BMW designs are from the X coupe.
 
I was talking about the looks aspect ,but if we are talking about the mani concept of new BMW desgins ur right :)
 
I heard ages ago that both the M5 Concept 2004 and production M5 2005 were in the game but as far as I know the Concept is not in the final game.
 
Why not have the E39 M5 in there? I loved that 5.0 V8. Also in regards to mfg. power figures, BMW claims that the M3 gets 333 and GT4 has it as 338. Not a huge difference but the point is they overshot the figure claimed for that car. I guess its one of those weird things. But I am happy that there will be 14 bimmers instead of just one.
 
Yeah and Nissan claimed 276Bhp for the R34 GT-R yet use it in GT4 and it goes to around 330Bhp like real life. In GT4 like GT3 the Bhp figures fluctuate so it will never be at a set limit unless ofcourse you never use the car.
 
M5_dude
Why not have the E39 M5 in there? I loved that 5.0 V8. Also in regards to mfg. power figures, BMW claims that the M3 gets 333 and GT4 has it as 338. Not a huge difference but the point is they overshot the figure claimed for that car. I guess its one of those weird things. But I am happy that there will be 14 bimmers instead of just one.
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Actually, GT4 is dead on with the 338hp figure if they using the European M3. Although it is rated at 343hp in Europe, once HP figures are converted to US spec, the figure is actually 338. The 5hp difference comes from the way HP is calculated between Europe and the US. The other 5hp difference for the US M3 comes from a less restricted exhaust not sold in the US due to regulations.

Majarvis
Nope, concept was quoted as 500hp, then BMW tweaked the V10 even further, and got an extra 7hp, bumping the output of the production M5 to 507hp.
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They didn't "tweak" anything. As I stated above, the 7HP difference comes from the way Europe and the US calculate horsepower. If it's rated 507 in Europe it is rated 500 in the US.
 
The M5 in the game has 507 HP, so add an oil change and the figure rises to 532 HP. I noticed one Skyline had 341 HP before an oil change.
 
AMV8
Actually, GT4 is dead on with the 338hp figure if they using the European M3. Although it is rated at 343hp in Europe, once HP figures are converted to US spec, the figure is actually 338. The 5hp difference comes from the way HP is calculated between Europe and the US. The other 5hp difference for the US M3 comes from a less restricted exhaust not sold in the US due to regulations.


They didn't "tweak" anything. As I stated above, the 7HP difference comes from the way Europe and the US calculate horsepower. If it's rated 507 in Europe it is rated 500 in the US.
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Here's something to clear things up.... Having worked for a number of companies, both German and Japanese you come to realise that KW's are used universally. The difference comes when you change this figure to that used in each relevant country.

I.e. hp in America, ps in Europe, bhp in UK and KW in Japan

So for the M5 = 373KW
America (HP) and UK (Bhp) 500
Europe (PS) 507
Japan (KW) 373
 
AMV8
They didn't "tweak" anything. As I stated above, the 7HP difference comes from the way Europe and the US calculate horsepower. If it's rated 507 in Europe it is rated 500 in the US.
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Actually, I'm afraid you are missing what I'm trying to say here, read carefully :) The M5 Concept put out 500ps/493hp. When BMW began production of the M5, they re-worked the V10 and gained an extra 7ps/hp. Accordingly, this bumped up the total output to 507ps/500hp :)
 
Majarvis
Actually, I'm afraid you are missing what I'm trying to say here, read carefully :) The M5 Concept put out 500ps/493hp. When BMW began production of the M5, they re-worked the V10 and gained an extra 7ps/hp. Accordingly, this bumped up the total output to 507ps/500hp :)
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I didn't question it, don't really know the ins and outs of the m5 concept, just tried to explain the region differences in power outputs.
 
Majarvis
Actually, I'm afraid you are missing what I'm trying to say here, read carefully :) The M5 Concept put out 500ps/493hp. When BMW began production of the M5, they re-worked the V10 and gained an extra 7ps/hp. Accordingly, this bumped up the total output to 507ps/500hp :)
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When the concept M5 was introduced last year, BMW only stated it would have at least 500hp. They never said it did have 500hp.

:)
 
AMV8
When the concept M5 was introduced last year, BMW only stated it would have at least 500hp. They never said it did have 500hp.

:)
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BMW quoted an exact output of 500bhp for the M5 Concept. When the production M5 was released, they stated they gained an extra 7bhp from the concept version, with an output of 507bhp. With this statement, they clearly had an original output figure for the concept, otherwise they would have had nothing to base their power gains on, hence the original output of 500bhp :)
 
Majarvis
BMW quoted an exact output of 500bhp for the M5 Concept. When the production M5 was released, they stated they gained an extra 7bhp from the concept version, with an output of 507bhp. With this statement, they clearly had an original output figure for the concept, otherwise they would have had nothing to base their power gains on, hence the original output of 500bhp :)
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Can you please tell me where you found this? I have followed the M5 religiously for the past year and was unaware of this "last-minute" 7HP gain.
 
AMV8
Can you please tell me where you found this? I have followed the M5 religiously for the past year and was unaware of this "last-minute" 7HP gain.
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Then you certainly have not followed it closely enough. It hasn't exactly been a secret that BMW gained an extra 7bhp in the production M5 from the concept M5. Search Google, or even official BMW press releases, and I'm sure you will find it.
 
Majarvis
Then you certainly have not followed it closely enough. It hasn't exactly been a secret that BMW gained an extra 7bhp in the production M5 from the concept M5. Search Google, or even official BMW press releases, and I'm sure you will find it.
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Searched the Press releases with no luck. Oh well, not a bid deal. I'll take your word for it. ;)
 
AMV8
Searched the Press releases with no luck. Oh well, not a bid deal. I'll take your word for it. ;)
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True, they may have tweaked it. I do remember early press releases claiming in excess of 500bhp though, rather than fixed. Cars often differ from country to country with different noise and other regulations. In my experience concepts usually have vague details. The press also has a hand sparking rumours and making claims.

The fact the engine was tweaked, could be true, I remember the sl55 amg being tweaked as they thought lesser amg models might be quicker and this was meant to be the flagship.
 
Two is better then one.

Are there any M3csl`s in brilliant chrome black, or whatever that black is called?
I`ve seen 2004models with that finish 👍
 
Majarvis
Then you certainly have not followed it closely enough. It hasn't exactly been a secret that BMW gained an extra 7bhp in the production M5 from the concept M5. Search Google, or even official BMW press releases, and I'm sure you will find it.
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Eventhough it is not a big deal, you are denying a real fact stated by AMV8, and not even offering a real proof.

If you read the official BMW press release from the 2004 Geneve Auto salon (BMW M5 Concept presentation), the quoted a power output of "around" 500 hp and "at least" 500 Nm of torque. They didn´t indicate "500 Hp". You don´t have to believe my words. Here you can check this information for yourself in the most knowledgeable M5 site in the world : www.bmwm5.com

Here you´ll find a complete report on the M5 Concept introduction, as well as a transcription of the official press release : http://www.bmwm5.com/articles/geneve2004/story/geneva2004-1.html.
 
kensei
I have not seen any other M5 than the one in the dealer, nor have I seen it mentioned anywhere in the prize cars. I've completed all races in GT mode but 3 endurances races too (which it is not a prize car there, I am sure).

Nor has it appeared in arcade....

I think someone made it up. The only BMw M models in my version (NTSC-J, Japanese) are;

M Coupe '98
M3 '04
M3 csl '03
M3 GTR '03
M5 '05
M3 GTR race car '01

Maybe it's a new car for the US or PAL versions...but it aint' in the NTSC-J version.
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It is in the US game, i saw it on the official site.
 
Not sure why there is still confusion over the horsepower output of the E60 M5, since NIck_chap and AMV8 has already explained it. But let me give it a go.

When rated using the SAE net horsepower standard, the production M5 produces 500 horsepower. SAE net is an American standard, which is why you will see 500 in all US literature on the M5.

http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/futurevehicles/newM5

In Europe it is common to use DIN horsepower. When rated using DIN the method, the production M5 produces 507 hp.

http://www.bmw.com/generic/com/en/products/automobiles/showroom/mseries/m5/index.html

*watch the flash presentation, you will see 507 bhp

The apparent discrepency comes from the fact that SAE horsepower is NOT the same thing as DIN horsepower.

--The SAE method defines a horsepower as the ability to lift 33,000 lbs one foot in one minute.

--The DIN method defines a horsepower is the ability to lift 450,000 kg one cm in one minute.

They are very close, but not the same. One SAE horsepower will measure out to be ~98.629% of one DIN horsepower.

There is no "last minute" horsepower bump. 500 or 507 just depends on who you ask and where you ask it.


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Not sure why there is still confusion over the horsepower output of the E60 M5, since NIck_chap and AMV8 has already explained it. But let me give it a go.

When rated using the SAE net horsepower standard, the production M5 produces 500 horsepower. SAE net is an American standard, which is why you will see 500 in all US literature on the M5.

http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/futurevehicles/newM5

In Europe it is common to use DIN horsepower. When rated using DIN the method, the production M5 produces 507 hp.

http://www.bmw.com/generic/com/en/products/automobiles/showroom/mseries/m5/index.html

*watch the flash presentation, you will see 507 bhp

The apparent discrepency comes from the fact that SAE horsepower is NOT the same thing as DIN horsepower.

--The SAE method defines a horsepower as the ability to lift 33,000 lbs one foot in one minute.

--The DIN method defines a horsepower is the ability to lift 450,000 kg one cm in one minute.

They are very close, but not the same. One SAE horsepower will measure out to be ~98.629% of one DIN horsepower.

There is no "last minute" horsepower bump. 500 or 507 just depends on who you ask and where you ask it.


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I think we concluded the difference in power in production versions, your description summing it up really. The point made by Majarvis was that the engine had been tweaked from concept to production version.

Nick
 
NIck_chap
I think we concluded the difference in power in production versions, your description summing it up really. The point made by Majarvis was that the engine had been tweaked from concept to production version.
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Got it. Sounds like a silly thing to quibble over, really. The Concept M5 was a showcar for exhibition purposes only. Was it ever seen running under it's own power? Had any member of the press actually driven it? It could have been powered by a hamster on a tread-mill and no one would have known.

I'm sure at one point BMW had a V10 on the bench making 550 and one making 450 before they decided on the final specs to reach the target power. It doesn't really mean much since no one can get a hold of the Concept M5 anyway. In fact, it's probably already been tucked away in a museum or dismantled.


M
 
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Got it. Sounds like a silly thing to quibble over, really. The Concept M5 was a showcar for exhibition purposes only. Was it ever seen running under it's own power? Had any member of the press actually driven it? It could have been powered by a hamster on a tread-mill and no one would have known.

I'm sure at one point BMW had a V10 on the bench making 550 and one making 450 before they decided on the final specs to reach the target power. It doesn't really mean much since no one can get a hold of the Concept M5 anyway. In fact, it's probably already been tucked away in a museum or dismantled.


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When presented at Geneva, there were pictures of the Concept M5's engine bay, and inside was the V10 engine.

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You're right, it's not a big deal. But it is nice to know I was NOT off my rocker not knowing about this "last minute" engine tweak that didn't exist. Thanks Martinmaxx for helping me realize I wasn't actually losing my marbles. LOL 👍
 

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