Is this a good first car?

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Right, I'm 16 and living in the U.K. My parents have told me to start looking for a car and I have been for some time. We own a few cars; but my favourite is the Volvo 850 2.5 wagon. (yeah I know, aren't I fun) and even with third party insurance, it's costing £6,000 to insure. I know, engine size effects the price of the insurance a great amount. So, I tried a Suzuki Cappuccino, 600cc, right? I'm looking at £10,000 to insure something with 63BHP because it's a 'sports car.'

So here's where you guys come in, what do you think of this?
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I can get insured on this car for £1200 with a black box, I've always had a soft spot for EP82's, and it's a bargain at £495

Thanks in advance! :lol:
 
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A decent first car I'd say! ....Well, depending too... How many miles? Why's it so cheap? Is there a problem with it? It looks really clean for its age. The only question I'd be asking myself is, how long will it run decently with the miles that are on it? If it has less than 100k, which it probably doesn't, but if it does, go for it! If it has more than 150k, I might continue shopping some. As already stated, Toyota parts are no joke.
 
If its halfways reliable the cheap insurance and money saved on gas should more than offset any price difference in parts. New drivers usually underestimate the running costs of their first car, especially when all they want to do is drive around for hours. It's a very sensible choice I think. Another thing with a cheap car is you won't mind nearly as much when you get your first scratch or dent.
 
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A decent first car I'd say! ....Well, depending too... How many miles? Why's it so cheap? Is there a problem with it? It looks really clean for its age. The only question I'd be asking myself is, how long will it run decently with the miles that are on it? If it has less than 100k, which it probably doesn't, but if it does, go for it! If it has more than 150k, I might continue shopping some. As already stated, Toyota parts are no joke.
Apparently it only has 60k, I doubt it though, here's the link to the listing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/93-Toyota...3685734?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4181fc8ae6
 
Toyotas may be good cars but they are incredibly dull. The Volvo you mentioned is much more interesting; I think that would be better. However I would never want to own either of those myself.
 
Apparently it only has 60k, I doubt it though, here's the link to the listing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/93-Toyota...3685734?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4181fc8ae6
That's not necessarily inaccurate - it looks clean enough that it might have been owned by an elderly couple all its life who just used it to nip to the shops and back.

Insurance seems a bit of a bargain too for a new driver, even considering the black box.
Toyotas may be good cars but they are incredibly dull. The Volvo you mentioned is much more interesting; I think that would be better. However I would never want to own either of those myself.
Insurance basically rules anything like the Volvo out in the UK.

Anyway, it's the guy's first car - "incredibly dull" doesn't really come into it. A car is a car when you're 16/17.
 
I think it looks like a great car, first car or otherwise. Its cheap, good on gas, and actually has alloy wheels - a pretty rare sight on little cars like this in the US.

I had a cheap, low-power VW Fox for my first car. Sure, it wasn't fast, and it sure was the opposite of a sports car, but you make fun with what you have. And at least with a Toyota like this, it shouldn't be bad. As a "grown up," even I think I could have fun in this. I say go for it!
 
I know you tried the Suzuki but have you looked at MX-5's? That's what I did, insurance was still mega but only about 1.5 times as much as my friends were paying for Corsa's and I can assure you they're much more fun. Plus parts are cheap too, just watch out for rust.

How on earth are you ending up with 8k quotes for something like the volvo?

Personally, If I had to make the decision again and couldn't go with an MX-5 I'd look for a 1st gen CRX.
 
That car looks like it'd be a blast! Go find an autocross and have a good time with it. Then, enjoy the good gas mileage on your way home!
 
If this one turns out to be a lemon I'd look at a mk1 Yaris, the insurance on them is usually very very cheap, even for young people.
 
What are original Minis like to insure and buy, I'm sure there's enough out there to be able to buy a decent one for not too much.
 
What are original Minis like to insure and buy, I'm sure there's enough out there to be able to buy a decent one for not too much.
You're looking at a couple of grand for a ratty but driveable Mini right now, and it's a car that will need rust repair and constant, attentive upkeep to even think about running daily.

Minis were probably great first cars in the 1970s or 1980s when they were still in the full swing of production and cheap examples were absolutely everywhere, but scene tax and the conditions of modern roads have made them too expensive and too over-stressed to justify as a first car.
 
Even the Rover ones from the 90's, I wouldn't have thought they were too much and I'd hope they were better built.
 
Even the Rover ones from the 90's, I wouldn't have thought they were too much and I'd hope they were better built.
Rover ones are more expensive, if anything. And some say they rust even more than the 80s stuff!
 
Wow, thanks for the replies guys. I've read through all your comments and I am currently looking at a few MX-5's as someone has bought the little Starlet. Once again, thank you all for helping me!
 
You're young and you live in Britain.

The insurance companies will want ten trillion pounds a year for a Miata. Unless you use one of their spy boxes that rats you out so they can hike your rates if you try to use it like a Miata.
 
Holy wow, I had no idea car insurance in the UK (at least for youth) was such a rip-off. How in the world do they come to the 6,000 pound figure? To make a very rudimentary calculation, if the average damage likely to be caused in an accident is 10,000 pounds and the likelihood of said accident is 1% per young driver per year, then that means (again very rudimentally) that the insurance companies are banking an estimated net profit of 6,000-((1/100)*10,000)= 5,900 pounds per young driver of a Cappuccino (a 5800% markup). Even factoring in overheads, indirect moral hazard and info asymmetry costs, that's insane. Wut.

P.S: I think the Starlet is a great first car. Personally, I'd love to have one. A bit different from the Civic yet just as fuel efficient and easy to park. Not to mention, I much prefer simple, older cars (new cars are built for the lowest common denominator who'd prefer not to concentrate behind the wheel). In manual guise, you've got all you need (lack of power usually shouldn't be a consideration when starting out). I wasn't, however, aware that Toyota parts would be so expensive. Would that still be the case if the parts were purchased overseas, as any savvy driver ought to?
 
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You're young and you live in Britain.

The insurance companies will want ten trillion pounds a year for a Miata. Unless you use one of their spy boxes that rats you out so they can hike your rates if you try to use it like a Miata.
Yeah, I looked and because, much like the Cappuccino, it's classed as a sports car, theywant £6K plus and that's stupid. Maybe I'll have to start looking at Fiesta's and Corsa's. Drive safely for a year, then I might be able to get the Volvo or the Miata next year?
 
Yeah, I looked and because, much like the Cappuccino, it's classed as a sports car, theywant £6K plus and that's stupid. Maybe I'll have to start looking at Fiesta's and Corsa's. Drive safely for a year, then I might be able to get the Volvo or the Miata next year?

Good luck with that! Your insurance will not go down until you're about 22/23.

Mine has only just decreased because the Capri is now on a classic policy and the Up! is on free insurance from VW for a year.

If I were you I would search for even older cars than that Toyota.
I had a Ford Capri 2.0S when I was 17 and that was £1600 to insure with Aviva. I was a named driver and not a policy holder but I was given honoured NCD.
It was cheaper to insure that than any -insert typical teenage student car here- I could find.

Just search for every car you like that you could buy and see what the insurance will be.
 
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Can't you be a named driver for a year or so? I did that with my first car as the cost on my own was just ridiculous and it was a Fiat Uno...
 
It is a decent car.

The other thing that may be important to you is.
Do you want to drive a "starlet"

It is a chick car after all.
 
I own a Starlet (albeit an EP91), and looking at it from a completely objective, bias free viewpoint? It's okay. That's it. Not too shabby, but not gonna set the world on fire either. Then again, its your first car - it should never be either of those things anyway. I'm impressed that you managed to find an UK-model EP82 in the first place, let alone one in such good condition and that cheap!

They aren't bad first cars, but they cost a tad more to insure than you'd expect due to them being a bit older (which to the insurance firms translate as being easier to steal), and parts seem to be quite thin on the ground for them. However, mine is 17 years old, had literally no maintenance done to it when I bought it, and ran fine. Ran even better after I gave it a basic service and has remained trouble free since. How you got your insurance quote that low is beyond me. I had £1,700 down as the lowest quote for an EP82.

A first gen Yaris is probably the better bet if you're gonna go with a Toyota. Newer, more parts out there, looks more modern (but that's subjective), safer, more of them to choose from, better for emissions, better for fuel and has more tech on board i.e. average MPG, trip computer, etc. Starlets literally only have an oil temperature gauge and a tachometer - even then, that was only available as an optional extra. If you're gonna look at a Yaris, try looking at an SR. Came with alloy wheels, sporty bodykit, lowered from factory (not sure on that point however) most of the mod cons as standard, but they're still only a 1.3, so they aren't that much to insure either.

Unlike America, older Civics (EG and EK models) are quite poor as first cars. They only seem to come with 1.5 engines as the smallest, and were stupidly easy to steal in the 90s, meaning the insurance on 'em these days is out of this world. And of course, they came out at the time Max Power started becoming big, so most got filled with terrible boot speakers and crappy body kits, and the insurance premiums still haven't fully recovered.

The Cappuccino was probably so high because they were only in this country through grey imports IIRC, as well being classed as a 'sports car'. That has a massive effect since - you guessed it - they think imported cars are a bigger target for thieves.

Cobra has the right idea to be fair. Just put in cars that you like, see what the outcome is on a quote and you may be surprised. A friend of mine who's just turned 17 is about to be insured on a 70s Beetle for just £700 a year. How? I don't know, but it goes to show that you don't necessarily need a little hatchback. That said, you might be able to buy and insure a car, but that doesn't always mean you can afford to get stuff fixed on it, keep that in mind.
 
10 thousand for a Cappuccino :lol: I thought $3000 CAD for a Corolla was bad.
 
One company quoted me £9,000 for my Starlet - keep in mind that it isn't an import or a 'sports car' in anyway!
 
My best was £18,000 for an E46 M3 last year :p
 

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