Is this car on the track ?

[eran0004]

The second picture would be legal in F1 but wouldn't be long until it is illegal given the direction the car is heading.

It would not be legal, because if you take that line in F1 (and by miracle keeps the 4th tyre on track) you will spin out of control and be hit by the cars behind you and you would be penalised for causing the crash.

Technically it doesnt break the off track rule, but it breaks other rules (and the suspension).

But the OLR didn't create the tracks or paint those white lines on the track so how can they say what they are or aren't? The white lines define the edge of the track just as much as the grid boxes mark the starting grid positions.

Just to be clear i'm not attacking you or anyone else, more questioning the GTP and OLR rules.

I totally agree. The white lines marks the edge of the track. There can't be any other rule regarding that, because there are no other markings on a race track. The curbs only appear in corners, and acts as visual cues for apexes. You're allowed to drive over them - as long as you stay within the track - which is defined by the white lines. Period.

Edit: Off topic, but I find it funny that two guys named Neil Corner and Ted Cutting worked on this car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_DP215

 

[Ryk]

Depends on where you learn the rules from.

If you've been fed the Hotlapping rules in computer games, then you can cut any corner you can get away with, If the lap doesn't got RED then it is a perfectly good lap.

This means that laps don't have to be reviewed by a carbon peptide unit (How you say, human being.) - The Simulation says it is a clean lap, ergo, it is a good lap.

However many GT5 drivers have been taught higher standards of "where the track edge is"

In the Rules you should keep ALL FOUR (SIX) Tyres inside the white lines.

This has softened to keeping just two wheels, as drivers would creep beyond the painted apex, Stealing a few inches here and there on the Turn in, Apex and Exit.



About 4 minutes in Graham explains what a GP driver is trying to do, and then you can see the condition of the corners when they are left for drivers to play fair.

Tracks tried to prevent corner cutting with various methods. BUT some of these objects proved to be very dangerous. Concrete filled tyres, Straw Bails, Sandy Berms.

Personally I try to keep all the tyres on the clean asphalt most of the time, but it is "fun" to get your inside wheel on the top of a curb, But going beyond to "Hook the curb" is bad form, and the pictures of the BMW going lawnmower racing is just not Cricket and is dash bad form.


If you've watched that Youtube clip - remember the over shoulder shots "incar" were done by a man stradling the back of the car with a big heavy film camera... Health and Safety eh!

 

[rosckolove]

That's a rather unique situation because the white lines are road markings. I can't be sure but in that case I believe the track edge would be defined by the inside edge of the kerb.



But the OLR didn't create the tracks or paint those white lines on the track so how can they say what they are or aren't? The white lines define the edge of the track just as much as the grid boxes mark the starting grid position.

Just to be clear i'm not attacking you or anyone else, more questioning the GTP and OLR rules.

I think you are right, it SHOULD be the white lines, but the OLR clearly states differently, And the OLR is basically GT5 law, unless a series host states something different.

So essentially, last lap of a 25 lapper your in first place on the last corner, and if someone cleanly overtakes you like pictured and wins the race. You can't do anything about it, unless the series you are in stated a different rule before the race.

Its not to big of a deal though, how often is something like that faster then the actual racing line? Its damn near impossible to pull off cleanly (assuming your actually trying to overtake a car on the racing line) And how often does that rule save you when fighting with 2 other cars? (saved me a few times)