Is this computer worth $550 ?

[ronzer]

Can somebody till me if this is a good deal or not and will it run racing games with everything on high?
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77 V-Pro
- Processor: Intel i5 3570k
- GPU: nVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti
- PSU: Corsair TX750
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (4GB x 2)
- HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM
- Case: Cooler Master Centurion
- LG DVD Drive

Thanks

 

[iMikeTheKing]

Can I please ask where you are getting this PC as it is a great deal for the price. Can you also clarify which Cooler Master Centurion case you have?

Yes you will run ultra on a lot of racing games. You could run high if you want to get even more frames which I don't think you would need.

 

[ronzer]

Can I please ask where you are getting this PC as it is a great deal for the price. Can you also clarify which Cooler Master Centurion case you have?

Yes you will run ultra on a lot of racing games. You could run high if you want to get even more frames which I don't think you would need.

somebody in my town has it for sale and I dont know which case it is. Should I buy it ? I will be using it for iRacing and other racing games.
Thanks

 

[Pako]

What resolution is your monitor(s)? Total pixels drawn will have a drastic effect on performance either way.

 

[iMikeTheKing]

somebody in my town has it for sale and I dont know which case it is. Should I buy it ? I will be using it for iRacing and other racing games.
Thanks

iRacing is demanding at certain tracks. Spa, Suzuka, and Twin Ring Motegi come into mind of tracks that are demanding. rFactor should be no problem as long as you don't have too man cars at night because it will significantly reduce FPS. I don't know exactly what games you will be playing and what your monitor resolution is. It should be fine as long as you have a reasonable monitor resolution like 1920 x 1080. It will begin to struggle on something like 2560 x 1440.

Make sure it has good airflow.

 

[ronzer]

iRacing is demanding at certain tracks. Spa, Suzuka, and Twin Ring Motegi come into mind of tracks that are demanding. rFactor should be no problem as long as you don't have too man cars at night because it will significantly reduce FPS. I don't know exactly what games you will be playing and what your monitor resolution is. It should be fine as long as you have a reasonable monitor resolution like 1920 x 1080. It will begin to struggle on something like 2560 x 1440.

Make sure it has good airflow.

It will be on a HD TV 1080p

 

[Tryability]

Yeah for 550 dollars that's a steal man. It will run any racing game maxed out. My GTX 560 Ti can still play any racing game maxed.

ASUS P8Z77-V PRO-$220 @ Newegg

Intel i5 3570k-$230 @ Newegg

Corsair TX750-$109 @ Newegg (I'm assuming thats not the modular version because you didn't put a M at the end of TX750)

GTX 660 Ti-$240-350 @ Newegg (There are aftermarket coolers and reference cards so the price can vary. Plus I have no idea which GTX 660 Ti it is because you didn't name the company)

Corsair Vengeance 8GB (4GB x 2)-$60 @ Newegg (I use this ram myself )

Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM-$70 @ Newegg (Personally I use Western Digital cause I find them more reliable but doesn't really matter)

Cooler Master Centurion-$50 @ Newegg (I would get a new one case instead of this if I were you. I would get the HAF 912 if I was in a small budget)

LG DVD Drive-$20 @ Newegg

Total:$999
Is it worth 550? Yes, like I said before it's a damn steal for you.

Notes: The 3570K is Ivy Bridge which is Intel's last gen CPU but it will still be fast as heck. The current CPUs (Haswell) aren't really huge leap in gaming compared to Ivy Bridge so I wouldn't worry about getting a older gen. I'm still rockin my Sandy Bridge (i5 2500K). You might want to check if it comes with a aftermarket heatsink if you plan to overclock. The stock Intel cooler won't get you anywhere. I would recommend a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo. It's cheap and effective.

The GTX 660 Ti is also a last gen nVidia card but it's still bloody fast. (I got a GTX 560 Ti) The card should be able to max out any triple A title @ 1080P. Except for Crysis 3 though. The only con I can say about this card is the memory interface. Only 192 Bit which might cripple in a triple monitor setup/surround.

The case. Don't know much about the Cooler Master Centurion but not sure if there is much airflow from what I see. I would upgrade the case if I were you. Maybe to something like a HAF 912 or if you have more money to dish out a HAF 932/NZXT Switch/Storm Trooper and etc etc etc.

You might want to do a bit more homework before you go buy yourself a gaming computer just so that you know what you are doing. Anyways other then that get the computer! It's a freaking steal!

-Tryability

 

[ronzer]

Yeah for 550 dollars that's a steal man. It will run any racing game maxed out. My GTX 560 Ti can still play any racing game maxed.

ASUS P8Z77-V PRO-$220 @ Newegg

Intel i5 3570k-$230 @ Newegg

Corsair TX750-$109 @ Newegg (I'm assuming thats not the modular version because you didn't put a M at the end of TX750)

GTX 660 Ti-$240-350 @ Newegg (There are aftermarket coolers and reference cards so the price can vary. Plus I have no idea which GTX 660 Ti it is because you didn't name the company)

Corsair Vengeance 8GB (4GB x 2)-$60 @ Newegg (I use this ram myself )

Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM-$70 @ Newegg (Personally I use Western Digital cause I find them more reliable but doesn't really matter)

Cooler Master Centurion-$50 @ Newegg (I would get a new one case instead of this if I were you. I would get the HAF 912 if I was in a small budget)

LG DVD Drive-$20 @ Newegg

Total:$999
Is it worth 550? Yes, like I said before it's a damn steal for you.

Notes: The 3570K is Ivy Bridge which is Intel's last gen CPU but it will still be fast as heck. The current CPUs (Haswell) aren't really huge leap in gaming compared to Ivy Bridge so I wouldn't worry about getting a older gen. I'm still rockin my Sandy Bridge (i5 2500K). You might want to check if it comes with a aftermarket heatsink if you plan to overclock. The stock Intel cooler won't get you anywhere. I would recommend a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo. It's cheap and effective.

The GTX 660 Ti is also a last gen nVidia card but it's still bloody fast. (I got a GTX 560 Ti) The card should be able to max out any triple A title @ 1080P. Except for Crysis 3 though. The only con I can say about this card is the memory interface. Only 192 Bit which might cripple in a triple monitor setup/surround.

The case. Don't know much about the Cooler Master Centurion but not sure if there is much airflow from what I see. I would upgrade the case if I were you. Maybe to something like a HAF 912 or if you have more money to dish out a HAF 932/NZXT Switch/Storm Trooper and etc etc etc.

You might want to do a bit more homework before you go buy yourself a gaming computer just so that you know what you are doing. Anyways other then that get the computer! It's a freaking steal!

-Tryability

Thanks for all the info. I am just getting into computer racing and dont want to buy more than once. and I want to spend around $500 to $600 and this is the best I could find so far.
Thanks

 

[ibuycheap]

Ivy Bridge is still last gen. You shouldn't quote full retail as the target price on used components. You can easily grab a quad core AMD cpu mobo combo for under $170 and that will be more than adequate for gaming. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6985/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-at-1440p-adding-in-haswell-/5

Then add 8gb ram for $60, a hard drive for $70, PSU for $50, antec 300 $50, and a GTX 660 for $240. Your total with all new components will be around $640. Going used with a bad case for $90 savings wouldn't be worth it.

 

[Tryability]

Ivy Bridge is still last gen. You shouldn't quote full retail as the target price on used components. You can easily grab a quad core AMD cpu mobo combo for under $170 and that will be more than adequate for gaming. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6985/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-at-1440p-adding-in-haswell-/5

Then add 8gb ram for $60, a hard drive for $70, PSU for $50, antec 300 $50, and a GTX 660 for $240. Your total with all new components will be around $640. Going used with a bad case for $90 savings wouldn't be worth it.

Ivy Bridge may be last gen but it is damn fast and no doubt a lot better than AMDs quad core cpus.(not sure if you are talking Bulldozer or Vishera) If you are talking about Bulldozer just get outta here. Bulldozer was just a complete disappointment sadly. The 3570K is a lot better. It's sorta a no-brainer to get the 3570K. Now if you are talking about AMD FX8350 now that would be a whole different story.

Yes you can get a AMD FX 4350 for 130. But 40 bucks ain't going to get you anywhere with a motherboard. (can you even get a motherboard for 40 dollars??) Also you never ever cr@p out on a PSU. I don't think you can even get a Corsair CX500W for 50 dollars. Honestly I wouldn't mind a slightly bad case/used computer for much better components and a very good deal. I mean if you aren't a hardcore enthusiast that likes to overclock his CPU/GPU to the max I am sure the case would do fine.

P.S. If you do decide to go with a AMD Quad core build you might want to upgrade the heatsink cause I heard the stock AMD ones are loud as ef. Don't quote me on this though. hah

-Tryability

 

[ibuycheap]

Ivy Bridge may be last gen but it is damn fast and no doubt a lot better than AMDs quad core cpus.(not sure if you are talking Bulldozer or Vishera) If you are talking about Bulldozer just get outta here. Bulldozer was just a complete disappointment sadly. The 3570K is a lot better. It's sorta a no-brainer to get the 3570K. Now if you are talking about AMD FX8350 now that would be a whole different story.

Yes you can get a AMD FX 4350 for 130. But 40 bucks ain't going to get you anywhere with a motherboard. (can you even get a motherboard for 40 dollars??) Also you never ever cr@p out on a PSU. I don't think you can even get a Corsair CX500W for 50 dollars. Honestly I wouldn't mind a slightly bad case/used computer for much better components and a very good deal. I mean if you aren't a hardcore enthusiast that likes to overclock his CPU/GPU to the max I am sure the case would do fine.

P.S. If you do decide to go with a AMD Quad core build you might want to upgrade the heatsink cause I heard the stock AMD ones are loud as ef. Don't quote me on this though. hah

-Tryability

I see you didn't bother reading the link. Let me sum it up, CPU after a certain point means jack for gaming. Go slickdeals.net and you will see 750 watt corsair PSU's for $50 regularly. This "deal" is crap.

 

[Tryability]

I see you didn't bother reading the link. Let me sum it up, CPU after a certain point means jack for gaming. Go slickdeals.net and you will see 750 watt corsair PSU's for $50 regularly. This "deal" is crap.

Hey man calm down not trying to fight with you here. I never said the deal was crap. I just said don't ever crap out on a PSU. Don't randomly buying a cheap 40 dollar PSU with no 80 plus certification. Yes, at a certain point a CPU won't improve your performance but I am positive if you went with the 3570K you would see some fps improvements compared to the FX4350 considering there are fps differences if you compared a FX8350 to a 3570K/3770K.

EDIT: Teksyndicate did a 8350 vs 3570K/3770K
https://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd...s-3820-gaming-and-xsplit-streaming-benchmarks

 

[iMikeTheKing]

I thought the TX750 was a an 80 plus bronze PSU or are you just giving tips to him about not getting a cheap PSU. A 3570k is an amazing processor. For gaming you won't see much improvement for anything more expensive then 3570k. I see all the time people buying a 3770k for gaming only when it is unnecessary to get a CPU like that.

@ibuycheap: His build is not crap, it is a good PC. Of course it is used but some people take great care of their equipment and some people don't even game as much as they planned which save life of the components. It's a great deal for the price and you know it.

 

[ibuycheap]

Hey man calm down not trying to fight with you here. I never said the deal was crap. I just said don't ever crap out on a PSU. Don't randomly buying a cheap 40 dollar PSU with no 80 plus certification. Yes, at a certain point a CPU won't improve your performance but I am positive if you went with the 3570K you would see some fps improvements compared to the FX4350 considering there are fps differences if you compared a FX8350 to a 3570K/3770K.

EDIT: Teksyndicate did a 8350 vs 3570K/3770K
https://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd...s-3820-gaming-and-xsplit-streaming-benchmarks

I didn't say buy a crap power supply just a good one at a low price. 80 Plus certification is garbage by the way since they let those Coolermaster flame throwers pass.

Teksyndicate isn't exactly well known. Why did you feel the need to link that when I linked essentially the same thing from a far more trusted source?

Anyhow since we are trying to help the op here is the MOBO and CPU

http://www.microcenter.com/product/...on_39GHz_Quad-Core_Socket_FM2_Boxed_Processor

http://www.microcenter.com/product/408925/FM2-A75MA-E35_Socket_FM2_A75_mATX_AMD_Motherboard

Total is $169 and going by the chart on Metro 2033 single 7970 at 1440p the 5600k is less than a frame slower than the 3770k. The 6600k is faster than the 5600k and the 3770k is faster the 3570k so the results should be similar.

 

[iMikeTheKing]

I didn't say buy a crap power supply just a good one at a low price. 80 Plus certification is garbage by the way since they let those Coolermaster flame throwers pass.

Teksyndicate isn't exactly well known. Why did you feel the need to link that when I linked essentially the same thing from a far more trusted source?

Anyhow since we are trying to help the op here is the MOBO and CPU

http://www.microcenter.com/product/...on_39GHz_Quad-Core_Socket_FM2_Boxed_Processor

http://www.microcenter.com/product/408925/FM2-A75MA-E35_Socket_FM2_A75_mATX_AMD_Motherboard

Total is $169 and going by the chart on Metro 2033 single 7970 at 1440p the 5600k is less than a frame slower than the 3770k. The 6600k is faster than the 5600k and the 3770k is faster the 3570k so the results should be similar.

Can only get in store. If you don't live near a microcenter you cannot take advantage of the deal. A lot of people do not live near one, including me. Why do you want him to buy an APU?

Cooler Master PSU's, at least in my past, have been reliable. Much better the PSU's by CoolMax, etc.

 

[ibuycheap]

I thought the TX750 was a an 80 plus bronze PSU or are you just giving tips to him about not getting a cheap PSU. A 3570k is an amazing processor. For gaming you won't see much improvement for anything more expensive then 3570k. I see all the time people buying a 3770k for gaming only when it is unnecessary to get a CPU like that.

@ibuycheap: His build is not crap, it is a good PC. Of course it is used but some people take great care of their equipment and some people don't even game as much as they planned which save life of the components. It's a great deal for the price and you know it.

Again you should read the link. the OP could build new for slightly more and get the same performance.

Gaming on a component doesn't increase wear. Only heavy overclocking will increase wear. Buying used components you have no clue how it was treated and if the discount is great enough that is fine. Here it is not.

 

[Tryability]

I didn't say buy a crap power supply just a good one at a low price. 80 Plus certification is garbage by the way since they let those Coolermaster flame throwers pass.

Teksyndicate isn't exactly well known. Why did you feel the need to link that when I linked essentially the same thing from a far more trusted source?

Anyhow since we are trying to help the op here is the MOBO and CPU

http://www.microcenter.com/product/...on_39GHz_Quad-Core_Socket_FM2_Boxed_Processor

http://www.microcenter.com/product/408925/FM2-A75MA-E35_Socket_FM2_A75_mATX_AMD_Motherboard

Total is $169 and going by the chart on Metro 2033 single 7970 at 1440p the 5600k is less than a frame slower than the 3770k. The 6600k is faster than the 5600k and the 3770k is faster the 3570k so the results should be similar.

You are seriously going to tell him not to get a 3570K and go get himself an AMD APU?There is nothing wrong with the APUs but it is a damn no brainer to get the 3570K. Yeah, I know about the "fake bronze certification" but if you bought from a reliable brand such as Corsair,Seasonic,XFX,NZXT Enermax I am 100% sure that it ain't fake. Teksyndicate is not well known? Hes got like 100K subs on his channel plus hes been on LinusTechTips videos too. I'm sure his tests are accurate. I'm starting to think you are either a troll or just a AMD fanboy.

 

[iMikeTheKing]

Again you should read the link. the OP could build new for slightly more and get the same performance.

Gaming on a component doesn't increase wear. Only heavy overclocking will increase wear. Buying used components you have no clue how it was treated and if the discount is great enough that is fine. Here it is not.

I honestly don't know what to say. You want him to skip out on a 3570K to get an APU when he can get more power out of any game that decides to be more CPU demanding. Going off of your link a dual core processor is better then the 3570K, 3770K, and the 5600K.

TekSyndicate is well known. Just him being in LinusTechTips videos and Linus's Live Stream last week has probably increased his popularity.

Ronzer, if you want to buy this PC and you did your research then go ahead and buy it. You are most likely going to have to upgrade within the next few years. We can't make that choice for you if you want to buy it. Some of agree and some of us disagree. You are going to have to trust the seller and yourself. Make sure you try to negotiate with the seller so he can give you your money back within a certain number of days in case it does not work.

 

[ibuycheap]

You are seriously going to tell him not to get a 3570K and go get himself an AMD APU?There is nothing wrong with the APUs but it is a damn no brainer to get the 3570K. Yeah, I know about the "fake bronze certification" but if you bought from a reliable brand such as Corsair,Seasonic,XFX,NZXT Enermax I am 100% sure that it ain't fake. Teksyndicate is not well known? Hes got like 100K subs on his channel plus hes been on LinusTechTips videos too. I'm sure his tests are accurate. I'm starting to think you are either a troll or just a AMD fanboy.

How is it a no brainer to buy USED hardware? The point is performance not brand loyalty. If you are so interested in getting a 3570k you could of got one with an MSI motherboard for $185 after MIR last black friday. I would not be surprised to see a comparable deal in the coming months for you Intel fans.

I have never heard of any fake bronze certification. I have seen many reports of CoolerMaster power supplies that fail on a regular basis that were 80 plus certified. 80+ doesn't do the same rigorous testing that sites like HardOCP does. 100k subs doesn't make you well known. You are trying to compare them to Anandtech which was started in 1997 that is laughable.

 

[Tryability]

How is it a no brainer to buy USED hardware? The point is performance not brand loyalty. If you are so interested in getting a 3570k you could of got one with an MSI motherboard for $185 after MIR last black friday. I would not be surprised to see a comparable deal in the coming months for you Intel fans.

I have never heard of any fake bronze certification. I have seen many reports of CoolerMaster power supplies that fail on a regular basis that were 80 plus certified. 80+ doesn't do the same rigorous testing that sites like HardOCP does. 100k subs doesn't make you well known. You are trying to compare them to Anandtech which was started in 1997 that is laughable.

Pfft CoolerMaster PSU fail? The computer im on right now has one from CoolerMaster. Never did compared him to Anandtech did I? All I said was he was well known buddy. Sure it's used hardware but hes getting 3570K, GTX 660 Ti, ASUS Z77 V Pro and etc for $550. Don't tell me it's not a great deal. Why would I need a 3570K? My 2500K is doing perfectly fine. The thing is you are telling him to get an APU instead of a 3570K. Honestly that makes no sense to me. Plus if he went with the APU and he wanted to upgrade his videocard he would get bottleneck.

 

[Tryability]

I honestly don't know what to say. You want him to skip out on a 3570K to get an APU when he can get more power out of any game that decides to be more CPU demanding. Going off of your link a dual core processor is better then the 3570K, 3770K, and the 5600K.

TekSyndicate is well known. Just him being in LinusTechTips videos and Linus's Live Stream last week has probably increased his popularity.

Ronzer, if you want to buy this PC and you did your research then go ahead and buy it. You are most likely going to have to upgrade within the next few years. We can't make that choice for you if you want to buy it. Some of agree and some of us disagree. You are going to have to trust the seller and yourself. Make sure you try to negotiate with the seller so he can give you your money back within a certain number of days in case it does not work.

👍 He speaks the truth.

 

[ibuycheap]

Pfft CoolerMaster PSU fail? The computer im on right now has one from CoolerMaster. Never did compared him to Anandtech did I? All I said was he was well known buddy. Sure it's used hardware but hes getting 3570K, GTX 660 Ti, ASUS Z77 V Pro and etc for $550. Don't tell me it's not a great deal. Why would I need a 3570K? My 2500K is doing perfectly fine. The thing is you are telling him to get an APU instead of a 3570K. Honestly that makes no sense to me. Plus if he went with the APU and he wanted to upgrade his videocard he would get bottleneck.

Again the only point you would have for mentioning another source is if you somehow believed it was more credible than the prior source. Clearly that is not the case.

This isn't a great deal because you can get the same performance from new hardware for slightly more money. If he is patient he can probably get an IVY bridge combo for 185 as I said before.

Where are these imaginary CPU bottlenecks you see in the chart from the link I posted. They were using a 7970 which is far faster than the 660ti and the results were within 1 frame per second on Metro 2033. Unless the OP indicated he wanted to go SLI or crossfire the discussion of a CPU bottleneck is moot.

 

[Tryability]

Again the only point you would have for mentioning another source is if you somehow believed it was more credible than the prior source. Clearly that is not the case.

This isn't a great deal because you can get the same performance from new hardware for slightly more money. If he is patient he can probably get an IVY bridge combo for 185 as I said before.

Where are these imaginary CPU bottlenecks you see in the chart from the link I posted. They were using a 7970 which is far faster than the 660ti and the results were within 1 frame per second on Metro 2033. Unless the OP indicated he wanted to go SLI or crossfire the discussion of a CPU bottleneck is moot.

*sigh* Go say whatever you want man I'm not gonna stop you. I'll respect you. Alright I'm out. Rozner just do your research before you get yourself a gaming pc. Cheers

 

[ronzer]

Thanks for all the post guys i am learning a lot, can somebody spec out a complete pc that I wont have to upgrade in a couple of years without breaking
the bank? I am still undecided on the computer for $550.
thanks

 

[iMikeTheKing]

Thanks for all the post guys i am learning a lot, can somebody spec out a complete pc that I wont have to upgrade in a couple of years without breaking
the bank? I am still undecided on the computer for $550.
thanks

I would say hold off while you can on a completely new build. Mostly because of the next-generation of Graphics Cards coming out at the end of this year and/or next year.

I did say it was a great deal but if you want more power and/or something similar to the PC in your post and new it is best to save up and wait until next year.

EDIT: I like Power a lot and I want as much power as I can get for my price bracket. I willing to spend much more then you but like I said we really can't make that decision for you.

 

[Pako]

Looks like a pretty good deal to me ronzer. As long as you're not looking into triple monitor setup or extreme resolutions, you should be fine. Even if you a year from now you have to dumb down the graphics, you can gain some good frames by tweaking just a few rendering options while still maintaining a very nice and visually pleasing experience.

If you got some kind of warranty on the $550 build, I would pull the trigger on it if it feels right to you.

 

[ronzer]

Looks like a pretty good deal to me ronzer. As long as you're not looking into triple monitor setup or extreme resolutions, you should be fine. Even if you a year from now you have to dumb down the graphics, you can gain some good frames by tweaking just a few rendering options while still maintaining a very nice and visually pleasing experience.

If you got some kind of warranty on the $550 build, I would pull the trigger on it if it feels right to you.

Its not a build its a used pc, I know if I build one it will cost a lot more money than $550.

 

[Pako]

Still a good deal used. See if they'll take $400 and call it a day. That will give you a little room to replace some common items that fail like Ram, PSU, Drives, etc.

Do you know if the system has been overclocked very much? I ask this because you can/will reduce the life of your processor when constantly reaching thermal peaks and running higher voltages than stock to it. I say this from years of experience.

 

[ibuycheap]

I would say hold off while you can on a completely new build. Mostly because of the next-generation of Graphics Cards coming out at the end of this year and/or next year.

I did say it was a great deal but if you want more power and/or something similar to the PC in your post and new it is best to save up and wait until next year.

EDIT: I like Power a lot and I want as much power as I can get for my price bracket. I willing to spend much more then you but like I said we really can't make that decision for you.

I would agree with this. There hasn't been any replacements to the mid tier of graphics cards only an expansion of the top tier (Titan/780). As a result none of the graphics cards have fallen that far from their original price. Wait for the next AMD release and take your pick as all gpus will fall in price at that point.

 

[ronzer]

Still a good deal used. See if they'll take $400 and call it a day. That will give you a little room to replace some common items that fail like Ram, PSU, Drives, etc.

Do you know if the system has been overclocked very much? I ask this because you can/will reduce the life of your processor when constantly reaching thermal peaks and running higher voltages than stock to it. I say this from years of experience.

He said it has never been overclocked but who knows and he wont come down from $550.