This X2 I also agree, The list of Japanese cars in GT5 is ridiculous. At least in previous titles there was much diversity in the car list. I am just more of a American car V8 kinda guy and Forza 4 delivers on that! Do yourself a favor though and get you a nice wheel set up, I cant stress enough how much better the game is now. I am 34 also and i was unsure about getting a wheel set up but since i did there is no looking back! Its not cheap, but imo its well worth the money! Here is a little review i did in a different thread a few days ago, I am just going to post it here since there seems to be some people on the fence here about making the switch so this may help. Here is my humble review of both games, I have played GT since the start of the GT series, I have only played forza 4 and for only about 3-4 days (20 hours of play time) I started off Christmas and a 12 day vacation with buying my self a Fanatec elite wheel, club sport vs 2 pedals, TH8 shifter, Basherboards box, and a Sim-Seat SR-X. All driving time before this was using a controller. After spending several hours getting everything put together and some help from basher him self on the phone helping me set everything up including the wheel settings(Huge thank you for this) I was ready to play! Going from a controller to the wheel was night and day, I spent about 30 hours of play time on GT5 and loved every second of it, Everything felt great! There is not much more i can say, It was just awesome! So i decided to give Forza 4 a try, I have never played this game before so again all this is based on 20 hours of play time and with a wheel only. First impression was not very good, I did not like how the game started, were you are forced to drive before you get to look at the menus/car list. I also HATED it with all the assist turned on. At first glance i noticed the graphics seemed to be downgraded from what i was used to on GT5, All the tracks looked grainy and the environment in general was just not as defined. Once i figured everything out i went to the world tour, From the time i let go of the clutch i knew this was a completely different game! You could feel the torque steer in the POS car i was driving, After a few corners i could also feel the loss of grip from entering the corner to fast and how the grip comes back in a fashion much closer to real life. I decided to move on to the event list, bought the 93 Cobra R Mustang, Then the 03 Saleen Mustang, 11 Shelby Mustang, And now the 13 Boss Mustang. All i can say is i am impressed with Forza! This game brings the sounds of these cars to life and how they drive in the game is almost how these things drive in real life around a race track! So far i have completed all c-b-a class events. I am also using a 4-5 year old 1080p DLP 60inch samsung tv right now, Maybe that is why things dont look so good on screen with forza. Also all aids were turned off on both games. So the final conclusion is Forza 4 feels a lot better in my opinion after only 20ish hours of gameplay. These are again just my opinion, but just a little back ground. I have been to a handful of open track days at VIR (Virginia International Raceway) several auto X events, and have been a drag racer since i have had a license to drive (18 years). I have owned a bunch of high powered rear wheel drive cars. This is what i am basing my opinion off of in comparison to real life. Quick summery Graphics in general (cars, tracks and environment)- Gt5 Cockpit view- Forza 4 Car list, options, painting, and tuning- Forza 4 Track list- GT5 Engine sounds- Forza 4 Physics- Forza 4 Game in general- I think GT5 is missing a ton of stuff, It seems like they released a demo in comparison to the previous GT games( No excuse imo for this as it took 6 years to be released). Forza 4 feels like a complete game. Although I would have liked to have seen more tracks in Forza. Online play- I can only rate GT5 in this since i have not played Forza online yet, But i think GT5 is great racing online if you find the right room. Overall- I really like both of the games, each have there good and bad.