Is this normal for a game five years car?

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Sorry for my English, I'm from Spain and my name is Ricardo, delighted to join this great forum and its participants.

Car A game that takes longer than 5 years out?, But that it should head.
It's a ****ing car game, not a Final Fantasy with a history that will endure over time and in memory of all, is not a Metal Gear that despite the years you like to play again for your story, good script , its epic moments.
A car ****ing game you have is to go out of fashion, and it comes out of it other than GT5 does not remember or Paco Lobaton.
It's like playing the Fifa 2002 now, why?, No story, there is nothing that motivates you to play because it's a damn football game and will play to the last and forget the past.

GT5 is an odyssey of a Yamahuchi determined to forge a masterpiece of a car game, will surely be an impressive game, but people forget about GT6 take out because there is no story, no characters, no situations that make you remember. Cars with good graphics but in a couple of years will be overtaken by a new set of cars that will pijaditas four more and better graphics, and so carcasses.
It is as if Fifa or Pro delayed in 5 years out, why so long?, Are a bloody football game and become dated by anything other than leave a year later. Such games can not be stretched so much!

I'll be the first to enjoy this great game, but I am very sorry that it has taken so long, what do you think about this? Is this normal for a game five years car?.
 
Lovebird
Sorry for my English, I'm from Spain and my name is Ricardo, delighted to join this great forum and its participants.

Car A game that takes longer than 5 years out?, But that it should head.
It's a ****ing car game, not a Final Fantasy with a history that will endure over time and in memory of all, is not a Metal Gear that despite the years you like to play again for your story, good script , its epic moments.
A car ****ing game you have is to go out of fashion, and it comes out of it other than GT5 does not remember or Paco Lobaton.
It's like playing the Fifa 2002 now, why?, No story, there is nothing that motivates you to play because it's a damn football game and will play to the last and forget the past.

GT5 is an odyssey of a Yamahuchi determined to forge a masterpiece of a car game, will surely be an impressive game, but people forget about GT6 take out because there is no story, no characters, no situations that make you remember. Cars with good graphics but in a couple of years will be overtaken by a new set of cars that will pijaditas four more and better graphics, and so carcasses.
It is as if Fifa or Pro delayed in 5 years out, why so long?, Are a bloody football game and become dated by anything other than leave a year later. Such games can not be stretched so much!

I'll be the first to enjoy this great game, but I am very sorry that it has taken so long, what do you think about this? Is this normal for a game five years car?.
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When you eventually see the depth of cars/tracks etc, and quality of these in the full game you will understand.

Also note that the PS3 is very hard to code for. I have a friend in the game industry who up until 6-12 months ago was working on games for PS and Xbox. He mentioned that it was considerably harder to program anything for the PS.

He now works for himself and is creating a game for the PC with views to possibly take it to console when its complete. If it goes ahead he reckons xbox will definatly go first.

By the way, the game he is making is racing related and I saw drawing boards with concepts back in 2003. (It should be launched here in Australia around the same time as GT5)
 
Lovebird
It's a ****ing car game, not a Final Fantasy with a history that will endure over time and in memory of all, is not a Metal Gear that despite the years you like to play again for your story, good script , its epic moments.
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That's right, Development time is ONLY taken up by writing elaborate 'stories'... ? ??!?!? :rolleyes:

The detail in every car (and there's >1000) is sublime - that takes an insane amount of time...

What about the math thats involved in the Physics engine? re-creating how objects react in the natural world is a mammoth task, making one that runs on a games console, with bleeding-edge graphics, sound, etc etc... is a feat all on it's own.

The biggest mistake was telling people they were working on GT5 so early, if they had announced it August 09, no one would be complaining about it.

Be patient... Judging by every GT game released by PD it will be worth the wait.
 
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Just taking into the consideration how long it takes to model one car alone - 6 months!
It's going to take a while, but we are nearly there now :)
 
Fifa?

Oh... you mean they actually spend time working on the game engines and physics for sports games and don't just port over last year's game engine with (low resolution) bitmap-textures of all the current player's faces?

A football or basketball game is dated by the next year. Which is why they churn them out so fast, and which is why a single game engine covers multiple titles in the series.

A driving game is not a football game. Cars are designed years in advance by manufacturers, so they can be coded in earlier. They're not going to become worse cars as time goes by... slip down in the rankings... start missing field goals... call in sick... they're just cars.

But since they're cars... you can't do one basic model and warp it to be taller, shorter, fatter, more muscular, etcetera to make different models. You can't texture map a Corolla into a Civic.

So yes... it takes a long time. It could take much less time, if you didn't want to fiddle with every single graphic parameter of each car to create the most detailed model possible with a 60 frame per second minimum in mind. You could go for lower polygon models and be done with it... or go for higher polygons and settle for less cars per race... as other games do... but those other games still don't come anywhere near the level of detail or photorealism that GT5P has... and certainly not at the same framerate.

Yeah... it takes too long to do it the way they do it... but that's just the way they do it. If you don't want to wait, go out and buy something else. That's what the rest of us do.

I didn't know it was such a chore to wait for a game to come out. There is life outside of GT, you know.
 
Lovebird
Car A game that takes longer than 5 years out?
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I wonder the same, but, it look to be the time that they need to developed such a game.

I dont know if is slower or it is faster, but, for a GT addict is too much time.

Sorry my english.
 
and i thinking my english was bad...:)

Pretty much was said already... the cars are porn made.. very high detailed, so we , hardcore and perfectionist fans ( such as his creator ) can be satisfied with the final results. What another car game you do spend your time just "seeing" the cars? I do. :P Hours of manafacture visiting, just to checkout the amazing details...
 
There is as much depth in GT as in Final Fantasy. From music, general sounds to everything else when it comes together it gives a unique atmosphere, that of a super-premium game, if you know what I mean, nothing beats it.

As for the story filled games, you say that usually takes a lot of time, but an author can write a scenario(a story) in one, or two nights. The locations of a FF game are not much more diverse than all the GT tracks put together. And in general I don't believe KY is rushing with his game, he loves his work and he is living his life in a relaxing way. You gotta love that character of his. Do you want KY to become a businessman, what kind of game would we have then? He is a bit like a Zen Master, not a businessman.




P.S. It's true that most difficult in a game is to build up a character model and to write the physics for it, so in a Final Fantasy game we have 20, or maybe 30 or so sharp looking characters and in GT5 we have 1000 different characters to build which being the cars, even if they are using recent technologie to draw the cars that's still a lot of cars and a lot of work nontheless.
 
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niky
A driving game is not a football game. Cars are designed years in advance by manufacturers, so they can be coded in earlier. They're not going to become worse cars as time goes by... slip down in the rankings... start missing field goals... call in sick... they're just cars.

But since they're cars... you can't do one basic model and warp it to be taller, shorter, fatter, more muscular, etcetera to make different models. You can't texture map a Corolla into a Civic.

So yes... it takes a long time. It could take much less time, if you didn't want to fiddle with every single graphic parameter of each car to create the most detailed model possible with a 60 frame per second minimum in mind. You could go for lower polygon models and be done with it... or go for higher polygons and settle for less cars per race... as other games do... but those other games still don't come anywhere near the level of detail or photorealism that GT5P has... and certainly not at the same framerate.
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Totally agree. Driving games are different.

niky
There is life outside of GT, you know.
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Yeah. You can't stuck on playing GT. You'll need a refresher. Burnout, anyone?
 
Sorry, my english is bad.:scared:

My English is very basic, I have always lived in Spain. Sorry for the bad sounding words but is rare because I have not many, have been a mistake of the translator of google hehe.

Well, the uncle, I think it's too long even for a Gran Turismo is a game for hire. And I'll be honest, I will enjoy a lot with my G25 when I get out and appreciate the time spent to do this great colossus of the game. But I still think that is too long, in short, be up to me, my impatience and eagerness to get it than me drunk every day, thinking about running for that so many tracks and the impressive number of cars.

And did you know the exact number of tracks (without variants) to be in GT5?.
 
A new fifa game comes out every year... Gran Turismo is not an annual franchise, it take time to perfect a game that most of us will be playing years from now. GT5p has been out for nearly 2 years and many people are still playing that. Hell i know people still playing GT4! Be patient, the time will come soon enough.
 
He must have attempted English, google translate can't be that bad.

It would have been interesting to know how clear the original Spanish text was.
 
The obvious problems, with car sims compared with flight sims is they are 100x more complicated to make.One reason is each set of suspension components, are doing different things at each corner.So not as simple as you might think.To get each car perfect in GT5 is a feat of I.T. engineering ( if it's called that ).
 
craste
It's about five past twelve mate.
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oh dear, I lol'd hard.

That being said, I firmly believe that GT5 is a lot more complex than any Final Fantasy (XI and XIV aside since they are MMO's), programming-wise.

Also, PD is probably severely undermanned for such a task (besides, does Yamauchi ever work, he seems constantly busy with mundane stuff, races, press releases and so forth TBH).
 
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It's a bit of a coincidence that you compare the Gran Turismo & Final Fantasy franchises and say they are completely different. I can remember playing the first Gran Turismo and thinking how much it felt like a role playing game to me rather than feeling like other driving games that I'd payed.

It's a while ago now but I have vague memories of a comparisons between the amount of text in the original Gran Turismo & the amount of text in Final Fantasy VII and it turned out there was far more text in Gran Turismo. I can't find any reference to that online now though so I wouldn't like to claim it's definitely true as it happened over ten years ago.

Anyway, I've enjoyed both franchises over the years so I'm just happy that they are still being produced. I don't even mind waiting for them now, I'm getting to the stage where I'm even wishing that companies would actually spend longer trying to move their games forward rather than following the almost obligatory annual update route that so many of them seem to do.
 
ESPAÑOL: Ricardo, Yo opino que no es normal que un juego calquiera se demore 5 años. Es una espera demasiado larga por...un juego comun y corriente. Pero es ahi donde esta la diferencia entre Gran Turismo y otros juegos. Hombre, lo importante esta en el nivel de detalle. Son coches con casi quinientos mil poligonos, pueden correr hasta dieciseis en la misma pista, y las pistas no son nada menos que impresionantes (ademas de ser bastantes, varias de ellas lugares miticos del automovilismo). Las fisica tambien es muy buena en el juego, no tiene mucho que envidiarle a los mejores simuladores. No es necesario tanto asterisco. Lo de que en varios años este juego sea superado, pues si, como pasa con toda la tecnologia, pero ahi llegara GT6, y GT7 y asi.

PD: "The Uncle" Ahi si Google lo jodio, todavia no entiendo porque los españoles creen que todo el mundo es su sobrino...:rolleyes:.

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ENGLISH: Ricardo, I think it isn’t normal that any game should take 5 years. It’s a too long wait for…a simple game. But there lies the difference between Gran Turismo and other games. Dude, what matters is the level of detail. There are cars with almost five hundred thousand polygons, up to sixteen cars can be running on the same track, and the tracks are no less than impressive (and there’re are tons of them, some of them mythical places of motorsport). The physics in the game are very good as well, they got not much to envy to the ones in the best sim-games around.So much asterisk isn’t needed. The fact that in a couple years this game would be obsolete, well yes, like it happens with everything in technology, but then GT6 will come, and GT7 and so forth.

PS: “The Uncle”, Google really tricked you up there, I still cant get why Spaniards think everyone in the world is their uncle…:rolleyes:.
 
Colloquialism.

Japanese call everyone older than them "Master" or "Senior".

Filipinos call everyone "Big Brother"... or more worryingliy... "Boss".

Oh... and I've always wondered who this "ey" is all those Canucks are talking about... :lol: ...family friend came back from Canada. After ten years there, he couldn't help himself. Said it every two minutes!
 
The first GT took 5 years, 1st game for ps1. GT3 took 5 years, 1st game for ps2. Now gt5 is taking 5 years, 1st gt game for this generation/console.
 

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