Is this point system serious?

[aga080]

So I finally unlocked the endurance races, I have gold in all the B-spec races.

Enthusiastically, I started the first endurance race, took about 2 hours to complete.

$56,000 for 2 hours of driving????? are you serious? and some stupid japanese concept that no one would ever buy or even choose to drive???

and worst of all, THE RACE ONLY GOT ME 1/8th THE WAY TO LEVEL 26!!

Why wouldnt this race bump us up to level 26 to get to the next race in endurance?? SO WE CAN CONTINUE

I cant understand what they did in this game, this is so unfair. The only way to progress is to do races over and over even after you have golded.

Seriously what do I do now? Just do a championship in extreme over and over until I get to level 26?? That will probably require doing a championship at least 6 times repeatedly

I absolutely hate what they have done to the Gran Turismo legacy, I don't think I really enjoy anything about this game.

 

[A_s_z_t_e_c_h]

You seem to enjoy complaining about about it

 

[Turnerteam]

No hes right. I did the Indy 500m took me a good couple hours or so. Got me half way to through 28. Basically i needed to do that race again for a level up and its the most boring event i think....

 

[gambleboyen]

With so many complaints from so many hardened GT fans, it's clear that PD has gotten a few things wrong this time for whatever reason.

 

[colic]

I feel the same, with little xp little points naff cars at the end of it it is a complete choir to do. The worst one for me was Laguna Seca, I love the track but when at the end of it get a tiny XP boost and then get another Nascar where I already have one from weeks ago that was well worth it!!

I now just use the FGT of Minolta as I want them over as fast as possible especially as there is no mid race save....

 

[Sandy106]

I dont think the lack of B Spec points is as bad as A Spec, since you dont have to do anything for B Spec points really, it just takes some time. I think that's why PD added the online challenges for A Spec, maybe they will do something similar for B Spec as well. TBH I think the retarded AI is far worse than the lack of points.

 

[Sidstyler]

I can't think of a way of replying without maybe being insulting, but I will try anyways.

I see this as a moment that makes as much sense as a guy at a Justin beiber concert realising he liked his music for the wrong reasons as he was not gay, a prepubescent girl, nor post menopause pedophile(if they exist).
But making it more interesting this guy figured the best way to express his opinion by taking his concerns to the official beiber fan club, where they proceeded to not care in the slightest about his own problems.


What I am trying to say is the fact you do not enjoy this game is your own problem and bringing it here solves nothing. Go write it in your diary or something.

Edit: after typing this I feel like a donkey, I just got irked at the fact you played the game long enough to reach the enduros and proceeded to whine about having to work for useless numbers, you a the point in the game where you can do anything you want, it is your own choice to slave over enduros ordo the millions of other things the game has to offer.

 

[raptor72au]

It should go back to licence base like in other GT games

 

[Hig-GT]

Sidstyler shut up!

I agree with the OP completely! Having half the XP that you get in A Spec is ridiculous!

I agree, licenses are so easy to get that it wont hold any players back anyway, so yes, I don't mind the rest of A Spec being based on XP as that pretty much works, but the Endurance races should be license based. You should also be able to save the game during the races aswell so you can come back to them!

 

[raptor72au]

Did Justin ask you to edit it?

 

[kazuyam]

I can't think of a way of replying without maybe being insulting, but I will try anyways.

I see this as a moment that makes as much sense as a guy at a Justin beiber concert realising he liked his music for the wrong reasons as he was not gay, a prepubescent girl, nor post menopause pedophile(if they exist).
But making it more interesting this guy figured the best way to express his opinion by taking his concerns to the official beiber fan club, where they proceeded to not care in the slightest about his own problems.


What I am trying to say is the fact you do not enjoy this game is your own problem and bringing it here solves nothing. Go write it in your diary or something.

Edit: after typing this I feel like a donkey, I just got irked at the fact you played the game long enough to reach the enduros and proceeded to whine about having to work for useless numbers, you a the point in the game where you can do anything you want, it is your own choice to slave over enduros ordo the millions of other things the game has to offer.

I see, so if I don't like the shadow quality I just should s**** the ***** up and keep it for myself insteed of telling it to PD and others and to show PD, that they did something wrong.
No, can't agree to your logic. Aga080 nailed it. He is right. The point system is dissapointing, the prize car system is rubbish and it should be discussed.
In older GT games you got a Speed 8 for winning endurance races, here you get standard concept cars you never heard before.

 

[bombe32]

It should go back to licence base like in other GT games

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Why else should these be included in the game?

AND (@ Sidstyler)
At lv 26 you doesn't have everything unlocked. Aren't you forgetting the S. Vettel Challenge? That was the main reason I kept going. Now I only have the problem that PD didn't think it should be possible to get silver and gold with a DS3.

 

[raptor72au]

I love to know who set some of these times you see in challanges

 

[Sidstyler]

I see, so if I don't like the shadow quality I just should s**** the ***** up and keep it for myself insteed of telling it to PD and others and to show PD, that they did something wrong.
No, can't agree to your logic. Aga080 nailed it. He is right. The point system is dissapointing, the prize car system is rubbish and it should be discussed.
In older GT games you got a Speed 8 for winning endurance races, here you get standard concept cars you never heard before.

Hold your horses chum. There is a difference between complaining and constructive criticism. His is not a "I am disappoint with you PD." but a "wah wah wah PD make game hard for me to play."

Half the complaints I see are more akin to children being unable to accept something has changed. I see no attempt to try and understand the choices made only the anger associated with them existing in the first place.

Poor quality shadows is a valid issue
Inequality between car models is a valid issue
The game takes too much effort to play is not an issue, or at least it shouldn't be.

(@ Sidstyler)
At lv 26 you doesn't have everything unlocked. Aren't you forgetting the S. Vettel Challenge?

No, I did not. The X2010 is not needed to enjoy GT5, the X2010 if anything will only serve as a way to destroy the AI and make it an annoyance to drive other cars after extended use.

 

[bombe32]

The S. Vettel Challenge is a challenge. It's not like it's cheating if you can complete it. No one ever forced you to use the car once you got hold of it.

 

[tdk]

What I am trying to say is the fact you do not enjoy this game is your own problem and bringing it here solves nothing. Go write it in your diary or something.

What's this forum for then? Kissing each others' butts and bragging?

A video game forum has 3 jobs:
1) Q&A
2) Discussing news
3) Complaining

Whether you like it or not, a LOT of developers look into forums and videos or whatever to get FEEDBACK on the game they made or about to make. If everyone kept his opinion in his diary how the hell are the developers going to get feedback? You only want them to hear the good stuff? If so, please dig a hole and just live there away from us.

 

[Sidstyler]

What's this forum for then? Kissing each others' butts and bragging?

Forgive my impudence.
I am simply pissed to obscene measures from the sight of a logical few sentences proceeding by his list of whiny complaints with enough rhetorical question marks to fill a small village. Concluding with a logical sentence as if he had just laid out the verbal beat down.
if you saw it written in a diary you would believe it belonged there, it is structured like the drabbles of a person who had a bad day.

Seriously it is just his own personal problem that the game is too difficult at the end of things. Everyone needs to go play Blasto as a comparison.

 

[Sndr]

Well tbh i dont mind doing a big grind fest in b-spec. What i do regret is the fact that you need to do loads of endurance races as well in a-spec, (thank god for the seasonall events).

And also in A-spec the cars you recieve arent that impressive. But you need to put much much more efford in it than in B-spec. So in my opinion i would like to see rewarderd for the efford i put in this game. B-spec doesnt cost any efford at all. (at least not to me)

 

[kazuyam]

Game mechanics shall be criticized and discussed as well, to improve game play!

back topic:

The game lacks a fluent XP reward system. You end up grinding, sooner or later, at events that a more repetitive then fun (Like The Wind and American Champ).
It would have been better if there were more events, events different from each over, giving you XP the way that you don't need to grind at all.
I wouldn't mind a 1000 different events, as long as you progress without the need to grind to get to the next event.

And why are champ series restricted to 5 rounds while there are 24h endurance races, illogical

And currently the online mode doesn't offer any kind of event like feeling. It's just some sort of club sport events, which is not bad but nothing special as well.

 

[Gremmie]

I'd have to say, as a long time GT fan that the rewards in this game are a bit odd. It doesn't make sense to me, that you can do (i'm talking b-spec here) 30 laps around the indy, get 115K, and 16K xp, but you can do a 4 hour endourance race in a mazda roadster an only get 52K and 80K xp. The car reward is also not great. IMO if you're racing for 4 hours, you should have some kind of better reward. beyond all the stuff about how it takes to long to grind, drive for the love of the game and all that crap, you're spending 4 hours of you're life and getting very little in return. I just unlocked the 1000km suzuka - took 8 hours, i got $125,000 and 350,000 xp. 8 hours - let me say that again - 8 hours. I can't even sell the car i got for winning it. How can you justify getting the same cash in less then half an hour that you get for racing for 8 hours?

 

[Destinkeys]

Sydstyler has the cart before the horse('s backside)!

Who wants to come here and listen to HIM shower praise on possibly the WORST GT released so far? Personally, you want to say something nice about GT5, write it in your diary! Let those with something CONSTRUCTIVE to say about the game say it. What's 'everything's hunky-dory in Sid's World' going to achieve? Other than, perhaps, PD taking him seriously and NOT fixing the myriad things sucking the joy out of this game.

Pointing out obvious (at least to those that play the game) clunkers IS being constructive. Flaming those that take the time to point out to PD what those clunkers are is "children being unable to accept something has changed". What has changed is the GAME. It used to be fun to play, with a very balanced points, license and credits system Now it isn't.

Personally, I feel like dishing out the same scorn to Sid when he states (as if it is a fact because he states it) "Poor quality shadows is a valid issue". Who made YOU the arbiter of what is, and isn't a 'valid issue'?

Because I don't remember the appointment...

 

[tdk]

Forgive my impudence.
I am simply pissed to obscene measures from the sight of a logical few sentences proceeding by his list of whiny complaints with enough rhetorical question marks to fill a small village. Concluding with a logical sentence as if he had just laid out the verbal beat down.
if you saw it written in a diary you would believe it belonged there, it is structured like the drabbles of a person who had a bad day.

Seriously it is just his own personal problem that the game is too difficult at the end of things. Everyone needs to go play Blasto as a comparison.

I'm going to be honest, I only read the first few sentences of his post and I think he has a point. Whether or not he over reacted, he does have a point. the point system for the B-spec mode is ridiculous. As if bob wasn't dumb enough already.

 

[RogsR34UK]

OK, firstly the Exp thing is a nightmare (7.5 million Exp to get from Lv 39 to Lv 40... you have got to be joking!!).

I am Lv 30 going on 31 and the 841K Exp I need to level there is bad enough. I did the Indy 500 which got me 268K Exp and I have been grinding for money (currently at c. 15 million). I think I am an Indy 500 away from Lv 31 now.

Don't get me wrong I love the racing, am terrible at most of the Special and Seasonal Events and stand no chance to get all License Tests to Gold Level. My only recourse is to repeat events. This is all very well but I am not a fan of too much repetition. I can see no future in possibly finishing off my PS3 (I currently cannot afford to replace it) by doing 24 hour Endurance races over a number of days. I found the Indy 500 was bad enough for the boredom factor and 24 hours on the same track just does not appeal. I'll contunue playing... for now!

Opening Endurance races other than each level is a pain. The repetition needed gets a little out of hand eventually.

 

[fitftw]

I agree license-based races would work a lot better...grinding is for kids who don't have 9-5 jobs.

What guy wants to come home from a long day of work and do the same races he's been doing for the past week?

And 24 hour races are not going to be completed by me, and probably not by half of GT5's owners.

 

[Sndr]

I agree license-based races would work a lot better...grinding is for kids who don't have 9-5 jobs.

What guy wants to come home from a long day of work and do the same races he's been doing for the past week?

And 24 hour races are not going to be completed by me, and probably not by half of GT5's owners.

I totally agree.

I myself have the luxery of working at home for a few more months. After that its back to being away from home. While at home i dont mind leaving my ps3 on all the time. Have smoke alarms hanging around so if it might ever catch fire im there to kill the fire or what so ever.

When away from home i dont want to risk it catching fire.

i know its just a small chance, but wouldnt want to risk it.

a 24hour race is offcourse done in a few days and not in one go. At least not for me.

Will do every 24hour race one time, but not more than once thats for sure.

 

[Highlandor]

The only way to progress is to do races over and over even after you have golded.

That will probably require doing a championship at least 6 times repeatedly

It's called ''grinding''..

EVERYONE is doing it and there's loads of threads already about the problems and faults in this game...

Your issues are not uncommon and shared with by many people on this forum..

 

[Str|ke]

Seriously it is just his own personal problem that the game is too difficult at the end of things. Everyone needs to go play Blasto as a comparison.

YES 👍

I don't think a lot of people here even were around to remember that game Sid.

I agree with you Sidstyler. This game was made very well, not to perfection, but very well. Perfection is unattainable, because there are always something that can be improved on. I'm sick of these anecdotes "PD messed up on this," and "PD messed up on that." You can micro-criticize any game, "oh pac-man was to hard because the ghosts are too fast." "Oh Mario should have found the princess in the first castle."

It's a game, all games are changed for the current times. Remember when GTA was remade ? The map feature was a circle on your screen with symbols to indicate what to do next ? Then we saw the same sort of implementation of this into almost all games afterwards that were applicable. Most action/adventure genres.

So now what do we have ? Everyone is addicted to leveling up. RPG's started it since NES, then war games(COD, BF etc.), even some cell phone games. Rankings and levels of experience are the most competitive thing since three-legged races.

PD did make it somewhat difficult to attain levels, but let's be honest here, why did PD implement a level up/point system that would take some time ? Because they want you too PLAY THE GAME ! I have a friend on my PSN who was level 27 before the game was out for 30 days. And most casual gamers when they achieve top level/prestige/ranking move on because it's complete and no longer challenging. PD wants this game to be played for a long time, they don't want you to just become level 40 in a month's time and then put the game down b/c there's nothing left.

If you all have to gripe about the XP amount, you obviously don't understand PD's business model, or any Developer's model nowadays. It's different now, so get used to it. You're going to see a level system implemented into almost any competitive/ranking game. The reason is to make you want it more. Just because you can't get their fast enough does not make it a bad game. It makes it a smart game, and makes you a better virtual-driver as you memorize every track.

Take that into consideration.

On a side note, I do feel for the 9 - 5 workers, or in my case 8:30 - 7:00 pm work shift. I just hit level 24 yesterday, I've had the game since launch; I sort of hit a XP wall after level 20. But online racing has been enjoyable for me, I did most of my grinding on the Nurburgring in the German race level 20 Extreme Series. It's a challenging track and for about 7 minutes of fun, whatever, I can't complain. I can't say that I will even attempt the endurance races, I've only done one, which was on GT3 with the "rubber-band" trick. But nonetheless, this is not a bad/incomplete game for making you want to level up and taking a while to do so. We still got a lot of time left, who knows what PD may bring in the future updates.

 

[JJ72]

So game company now "design" what we want and we should realise that is what we want because they say so? What a joke.

People don't want the repetition and don't want the grind, the game isn't difficult, it's just artificially lengthened, did Mario ever need you to play a level twice? no, but PD makes you race Lemans 24hrs for 7 to 8 times.

 

[kuma78]

yeah this game is a grind.. a slow, boring, dull grind. I quit WoW because of the contant grinding. Sure you got Bspec, but the driver is incompetent unless you put him in a way overpowered car, and that's the worst grind of all (not playing the game). I like that you don't have aquire licenses, but they replaced it with a asinine leveling system that reeks of gold-farming mentality. I want to race with different cars and win events.. not race the same event dozens if not hundreds of times with the same car in order to 'level up' so I can do more events. If you like this then you'll LOVE playing Lineage 2. Wish there was a gameshark for the PS3. Would make this game way shorter because they artificially made the game JRPG long. Got a job, got kids, don't have time to run the same race 5 times before I can do the next one because of levels. Someone please send me a X1 or something.

 

[Str|ke]

So game company now "design" what we want and we should realise that is what we want because they say so? What a joke.

People don't want the repetition and don't want the grind, the game isn't difficult, it's just artificially lengthened, did Mario ever need you to play a level twice? no, but PD makes you race Lemans 24hrs for 7 to 8 times.

They don't MAKE you do anything, you can do whatever you want. It's a smart business model. It is, and what is PD? A business. Business's survive through adaptability and loyal customers. They're not pushing anything on anyone, the implementation of leveling up is around almost every game you play nowadays. It's a proven track method to sustain loyal consumers. Whether it's easy or not is one thing. But you don't have to do the repetitive things. If you're just looking to level up by doing the same course over and over again in the least amount of time possible, it will drive you nuts, and you will hate it. But if you mix it up, retry a series race in a different car, try the Nurburgring a couple of times to memorize, play online, try to get better times on licensing/special events, buy that rare car in the used car dealer, among other things, you will not pay attention to the leveling up system because you might, just might, be enjoying the game on what it has to offer.

If 100% completion is the most important thing to you, then you will hate this game because it will take time and repetition. But that's the point. They don't want it to be beat within 45 days. This game has been out for about 2 months now, why are you so concerned about being #1 ?