I've got this fear for GT4

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Hey,
I've been drifting alot since i saw all the videos here.
I just bought Prolouge the other day and I tried to drift some times but I just can't seem to do it.
This could be because I can't adjust the settings for the cars or the controls are just messed up. It's definitely the last one; if you try to start a little drift and you steer the opposite way, the car instantly goes the way you were steering (the opposite way) instead of (like in GT3) the car steers a little bit so you can keep the car drifting.

Now, my question is; does GT4 have such controls too? Does anyone know?
Please let me know cause if it does, GT4 could be a real pain in the ass for us drifters.

Jean Paul
 
GT4prolouge physics are more real to life than GT3 could ever be on its best day. Thats why drifting is very difficult in GT4P compared to the ease of GT3 drifting.

I've heard that OPM has gotten their lucky hands on a new demo build of GT4 and they were breathtaken by its even more real life like physics, cars are not going to forgive the driver for steping to far past the limit. Which makes me happy as the harder the game will get the more fun driving will be :)
 
I can drift the Toyota Marathon Race Car that is in the Toyota Demo, so you should be able to do some drifting with the cars in GT4p with no problem. The Marathon car is not known for its quick acceleration either.
 
"Triathlon"

... "Whatever. It's some big long race that makes you knackered" :D

viperfreak - surely this ought to be in the GT4 forum? Surely more realistic physics are desirable, whether that hinders your "ability" to do your chosen manouevres or not - unless you want a game exactly like Need For Speed: Underground?

Tried it with a wheel yet?
 
viperfreak
Hey,
I've been drifting alot since i saw all the videos here.
I just bought Prolouge the other day and I tried to drift some times but I just can't seem to do it.
This could be because I can't adjust the settings for the cars or the controls are just messed up. It's definitely the last one; if you try to start a little drift and you steer the opposite way, the car instantly goes the way you were steering (the opposite way) instead of (like in GT3) the car steers a little bit so you can keep the car drifting.

Now, my question is; does GT4 have such controls too? Does anyone know?
Please let me know cause if it does, GT4 could be a real pain in the ass for us drifters.

Jean Paul
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It requires alot of practice and precise controls to do it well. There are no such controls that we can change that you speak of. Let me know how you start your drifts, maybe you are doing it wrong? I'll be glad to help you out.

http://ryen49.com/videos/BreakerOhio_GT4PrologueDriftShowOff.wmv
 
Like someone mentioned, opm got to play the latest build and they say gt4 is a new game, and it has gone hardcore, like a pc sim.
 
Hey,
Thanks for all you're replies 👍
I'm happy to know that the game would be more realistic and stuff and good to know that drifting would be much more like in real life.

Jean Paul
 
BreakerOhio
It requires alot of practice and precise controls to do it well. There are no such controls that we can change that you speak of. Let me know how you start your drifts, maybe you are doing it wrong? I'll be glad to help you out.

http://ryen49.com/videos/BreakerOhio_GT4PrologueDriftShowOff.wmv
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Hey, I Ment with changing the controls, changing the Traction Cotrol Level, ASM Level, Car Height, Damper Rebound; all those kind of settings.
 
Hey breakerohio tell me how does the "drift" feel now? Do you need better reflexes, advanced throttle feathering, or what? Oh yeah I know thi is off topic sorry but I gotta ask you guys: does the 900 degrees wheel turn 900 degrees in GT3 too? thnx
 
I adapted to the GT4:P physics quiet quickly which was a suprise. I love the realism of it now. I am a motorsport fanatic, so i watch a hell of alot of it and you see some cars rear step out a little coz the driver has pushed it a little too far and they try to correct and they end up overcorrecting.............therefore throwing the car into a spin. I have learnt to deal with this using the dual shock controller, but cant wait to get me a 900* wheel to try GT4:P with.
 
I like the way with Prologue that you have to fight with the car alot more...also, acceleration and braking take longer and the car's feel more weighty, they pitch and roll in the corners more......you just have to get used to it, however the big let down unfortunately the AI is very bad in Prologue, but I think it was sorted out after E3.
 
TurboLevin2NV
Hey breakerohio tell me how does the "drift" feel now? Do you need better reflexes, advanced throttle feathering, or what? Oh yeah I know thi is off topic sorry but I gotta ask you guys: does the 900 degrees wheel turn 900 degrees in GT3 too? thnx
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How does the "drift" feel now?
It feels real and rewarding. More danger involved, if you hold the countersteer too long, you swing into the wall, if you enter too early you will hit the apex, if too late, you slide too far; so when I can get good drifts, its alot more satisfying. I appreciate the difficulty level and realism into GT4 Prologue and look forward to tuning the cars in the final release of GT4.

Do you need better reflexes?
Yes, you have to practice alot with the wheel to get used to the real life countersteering. Countersteering is really important in producing and maintianing the drifts in GT4 Prologue. In GT3 there was steering assists so you could always turn the wheel full locked and the steering assist would help you, not here with the 900 degree wheel.

does the wheel turn 900 degress in GT3?
It can, you can toggle the hardware on but its not supported so it won't do you any good.
 
...i hate this biting back of the cars when u try to steer the opposite way of the drift too....!!!
...u´re perhaps right that it´s much more realistic and that "drifiting" isn´t such a easy thing as it was in GT3 or GTC but we all learned to drift in this games and suddenly have to change our "drift-FEELING"(which we got from GTC and GT3)and for me it´s very stupid
but u all "realism-fanatics" will of course say that it´s better that way bla bla bla.......

......just think:u drive with the FINA GTR at Fuji and u´re in the last few shikanes (i mean the "S"-curves where u can take a "short cut")and u´re accelerating and the F1 of course begins to drift....so now u of course try to use the drifting of this beast in a way to get
as fast as possible through the shikane but for me (and for many other people)it´s very difficult:sometimes the car bites back in a way which u never would have expected--->it
makes a 180*turn sometimes!!!!


...so think what u like but for me it´s noteasy of course but it´s a game at the end and it should be "PLAYABLE"!!!!!
 
GT-One Lover
...i hate this biting back of the cars when u try to steer the opposite way of the drift too....!!!
...u´re perhaps right that it´s much more realistic and that "drifiting" isn´t such a easy thing as it was in GT3 or GTC but we all learned to drift in this games and suddenly have to change our "drift-FEELING"(which we got from GTC and GT3)and for me it´s very stupid
but u all "realism-fanatics" will of course say that it´s better that way bla bla bla.......

......just think:u drive with the FINA GTR at Fuji and u´re in the last few shikanes (i mean the "S"-curves where u can take a "short cut")and u´re accelerating and the F1 of course begins to drift....so now u of course try to use the drifting of this beast in a way to get
as fast as possible through the shikane but for me (and for many other people)it´s very difficult:sometimes the car bites back in a way which u never would have expected--->it
makes a 180*turn sometimes!!!!


...so think what u like but for me it´s noteasy of course but it´s a game at the end and it should be "PLAYABLE"!!!!!
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I understand where you coming from. Trust me, just practice at it, I stopped playing GT4 Prologue for a while at first because I thought it was impossible to takle s-curves with a linking drift, but trust me, you will get it if you keep practicing. Do you play with the the DFP 900 degree?

I've been thinking of making a video of my wheel action, but just am lazy at setting it up like I did for GT3. It requires alot of quick wheel action to do s curve linking drifts in Prologue....if you saw my wheel action I think you would see the realism in it, I see myself doing the exact same things the D1 pros do with the wheel.
 
Drifting in GT3 is false to real-life, if it's more real then isn't that what GT is all about as it's title keep saying "The Real Driving Simulator" not the kiddie pick up n play, grab burnout or NFS if you wanna do mad drifts easily and have a quick fix of being almighty in car control, the more real GT get's the better I say. It's intended for that kinda handling, cars are weapons, they need to be handled with respect otherwise you'll end up hurting yourself.

Just cause you can drift in a game or take a track amazingly quick doesn't mean you can do the same in reality. That's what some people seem to forget.
 
No really they still have arcade mode, also look at racing games nowadays they're all going hardcore handling wise.
 
Yep, and there are driving assists if you need them. :)
GT-One Lover, go play some Live for Speed or GTR. If you played those games enough you won't have any problem with Prologue.
 
Live for Speed, my mate is hopeless at that, when I got there he only had 43 points, after about 2 hours I got him to 220 odd and finally got him off that damn Seat Ibiza lookalike. And with GTR I finally managed to get a decent lap time around Spa of 2:14:00, not brilliant I know but then in total I think I've only had about maybe 30 laps in the Lister.
 
Each progresion of the game (1,2,3,GTC,GT4P.) I tell myself 'surely PD can't make this feel any more realistic' everytime they step up the physics. The final engine (physics ) should be mindblowing especially sim-mode. Suspension setting changes and tyre pressure settings will be very interesting. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I read here reacently that because GT3 had to be rushed out the door PD didn't have time to implement the GT3 AI and it was basicly the GT2 AI. And thats still what was in Prologue. If this is true GT4s AI shuold be the first major improvement in a while. I've always thought if the AI scares me then it will be a good challenge...sorry for going of on a tangent here.
 
cobragt
I believe gt4 will give gt's title justice. opm did say it's gone hardcore ;) but wouldnt this be bad for new comers?
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Then the should buy Gran Turismo 3 and work there way up to GT4 (And that could be very good for Polyphony and SCEE).
 
Actually it'd be better for new comers to just start off with GT4 because then they now have a feel for more realistic handling. Sure, it'll be hard to get it down at first, but it's better than playing GT3 then playing GT4 and realising that most of the techniques you used in GT3 are irrelevant because of the new physics. Not TOTALLY irrelevant, but they ARE gonna be different.
 
GT-One Lover
...i hate this biting back of the cars when u try to steer the opposite way of the drift too....!!!
...u´re perhaps right that it´s much more realistic and that "drifiting" isn´t such a easy thing as it was in GT3 or GTC but we all learned to drift in this games and suddenly have to change our "drift-FEELING"(which we got from GTC and GT3)and for me it´s very stupid
but u all "realism-fanatics" will of course say that it´s better that way bla bla bla.......
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Sure, and the day you get your driving license (you seem very young), you try to drift with your new car (or your fathers car) as you trained so often in GT3, and ... suddenly the car bites back ...

bye bye car, hello realism bla bla bla............ :D
 
Damn straight... IRL a car's lack of grip is very very sudden... and unless you're a driving god you won't catch it...

I've lost the rear on a car several times... fortunately only once has there been anything else in the way!

C.
 

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