I've had ENOUGH

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Its prolly slow as crap, and cant support 90% of all software made.
 
Originally posted by MistaX
Its prolly slow as crap, and cant support 90% of all software made.
My Internet connection is slow, but that's it (and only because I use a 56k). Photoshop takes no time at all... My dad, who has also used both PCs and Photoshop, said that even though the PCs had more MHz, they still took about 5 times as long to work in PS as the Macs. And trust me, I often have many application programs open... Just yesterday, I had the following all open at once: Photoshop, ImageReady, Flash, and Internet Explorer, and I didn't experience lag.
 
The thing about macs is that they're main purpose is for either graphics design or text processing. It's all got to do with the processors.

Y2TUSCAN
I have Redhat7.3 on my dualboot, but before that I had 7.2
I originally tried using Grub(the dual-boot option that comes with RedHat[you can either use Grub, not change any settings to retain your previous dual-boot program, or just have your computer boot directly into RedHat]), but I didn't have much luck with that, so I used a boot disk I found on MS's website and booted into Win98. After failing to get BootMagic to boot both OS's(For some reason it tried the first partition for both hard drives, but my Linux partition is the 2nd partition on my 1st HDD), so I uninstalled BootMagic and dug around a while in RedHat. After some searching around and digging up files, I found the boot configuration(seeing that I could boot Win98 if I typed in the commands step-by-step, but Grub wouldn't save the script,) I opened it up with a basic text editor and changed the boot script for Win98 and now it works like a charm!

The only downside with what I've found with RedHat is that, since I have it automatically mount all of my partitions(I had to configure a bunch of files and create some new folders for it to do that,) it wants to unmount them when it's shutting down. But, since it can't find them, it takes about 2-3 extra minutes to power down. I could easily fix that problem by unmounting the partitions, but then I can't access some files on there that I might want to dig up some time.

I've also ran across a problem where I can't play MP3's. I don't know why it doesn't play them, but it plays CD's, so I know the sound card is supported. That computer also isn't connected to our network(I tried under Windows98 and RedHat, but neither of them will work properly, and since the other computers on the network run XP, they were easy to set up, but not my crappy Gateway2000 200mhz PC)

Hope that's what you wanted to know.
P.S.: Here's what the layout of my hard drives look like:

HDD1: Don't know how big, about 10GB, maybe...
_Win98_RH7.3______
|Fat32|EXT-3|Fat32|
- C: - Root --- E:

HDD2: About 7GB I think
_____________________
|Fat32|Fat32|Linux Swap|
- D: - F: - Not shown

HDD3: Either 200MB or 400MB
____
|Fat|
G:

Nothings really on the last one, just some really old backup files or something. I'm not really sure, my dad filled it up a long time ago and it acted as the Netscape temp-files place also, when it use to be connected to the internet.
 
Originally posted by MistaX
Macs arn't good for anything.
Even rjensen himself said that they are good for something! And, my post above yours stated:
I think there's a reason that my dad's Art Department only uses Macintoshes.
In the "beginning", they [the Art Department] actually did use PCs, but found them unsuitable and thus moved on to Macs. So don't try to convince me that they're no good.
 
Originally posted by MistaX
They'll have to buy all new ones again in a few years.
You keep saying this, without explanation. Why?! Either back it up, or shut it up.

Understand this when you compare megahertz: G4 mhz are worth about 120-150% of what Pentium mhz are. In other words, an 800-mhz G4 is actually performing as many operations as a gighertz or better Pentium. Don't get hung up on absolute numbers. Performance is what counts.

I have two Mac machines on my desk right now. The newer one is a 2-year-old G4/450. It runs anything I have ever asked it to, including Photoshop (which rips on a Mac, compared to a PC), the entire Office suite, Deus Ex, 4x4 Evolution, Fly, Oni, Alice, Diablo II, Quake III. OK, I am missing access to a number of crappy games - most of which I'm not interested in, anyway. The games I've actually wanted, I've been able to buy in the Mac version. Virtually anything really worth playing gets ported unless you are a total games junkie and you will play any old crap.

The older machine is a 6- or 7-year-old Power Computing Power Mac 604/120. It's a little long in the tooth, but it runs everything I need it to with the exception of the high-end games. It will handle Photoshop, Office, Diablo, Quake II, etc. just fine. If it was really a problem I could fix it for around $500 for a G4 upgrade and a better video card. Are you trying to tell me that you can run the latest-and-greatest Windoze software on a 6-year-old machine, without any upgrades?! HAH!

The older machine shipped with System 6, but without a hiccup has been upgraded through 7, 8, and is currently running 9.2, same as the G4 - with not one single loss of commercial software compatability.

Between the two of them they will run any software written for a Mac between about 1992 and the present. Tell me again why I need to buy new ones every couple of years?

You know, it will be a lot less embarassing for you if you learn to judge your own ignorance before you put it out on public display.

Edit:Oh, yeah, I forgot a couple things. Any Mac made since 1988 or so will read, write, and format PC floppies and Zip disks. Can you use a Mac-formatted disk for anything but a coaster?

And if I absolutely need to run a specific piece of Windoze software, I can run SoftPC to do it. It tabs effortlessly between the two environments, and I can cut-and-paste between them. In fact, on a healthy Mac machine, most Windoze applications run just as fast under Windoze emulation as they do on a native PC of the same power.
 
One thing that we need to realize is this: We don't always need the latest software

Take word processing, for example. We have had essentially the same program for nearly 10 years. Has it changed? Yes
Has it changed so much that you couldn't use the ones from 10 years ago? Nope

I have(as I've mentioned this many times before) a 200mhz PC with Win98 on it. If all I needed to do was homework, I could do that on that computer.
 
Originally posted by rjensen11
One thing that we need to realize is this: We don't always need the latest software

Take word processing, for example. We have had essentially the same program for nearly 10 years. Has it changed? Yes
Has it changed so much that you couldn't use the ones from 10 years ago? Nope

I have(as I've mentioned this many times before) a 200mhz PC with Win98 on it. If all I needed to do was homework, I could do that on that computer.

Well, until your office upgrades to Office 2000 and your spreadsheets don't work in your Excel 97.

It's all very well getting on your high horse here, but in the working world most of us have our software choices dictated to us by our employers. If I fronted to the IT guys at work with a spreadsheet written in StarOffice or OpenOffice that I was having problems with, I would get NO support - zero, zilch - and since I'm not an IT guy, I don't have the time to go through and deal with all this stuff. I need results, and this is by far the most time efficient way to get them. On top of work I have study commitments, plus my own recreation time, so I'm just not prepared to put in the time to deal with this.

Yeah, I have issues with Microsoft - but until their competitors put together a credible opposition that appeals to the business community, that's how things are going to stay.
 
Originally posted by rjensen11
One thing that we need to realize is this: We don't always need the latest software

Take word processing, for example. We have had essentially the same program for nearly 10 years. Has it changed? Yes
Has it changed so much that you couldn't use the ones from 10 years ago? Nope

I have(as I've mentioned this many times before) a 200mhz PC with Win98 on it. If all I needed to do was homework, I could do that on that computer.

MY GOD QUIT WINING NOBODY CARES BOUT WHAT U HAVE TO SAY ABOUT BILL GATES :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Originally posted by km
MY GOD QUIT WINING NOBODY CARES BOUT WHAT U HAVE TO SAY ABOUT BILL GATES :mad: :mad: :mad:
May I ask why you are wasting your time reading - and replying - then? Some people are trying to have a discussion here.

If you're not interested, please feel free to NOT PARTICIPATE.
 
I have Windows98SE.
I dont complain. Why? Cuz I am ignorant at what Apple/Linux can offer to me. U know how hard is to teach somebody the basics of knowing how to use a computer/internet? Now I am not defending anybody. It is just that u just have more chances of getting a "How to use Win2k, XP" Cd rather than one with Mac/Linux. Bad thing about Microsoft is that is turning into a Monopoly. They only want us to use Microsoft. But the sad reality is that Mac/Linux dont try harder to make their software popular. And there is not enough Software for both of them.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke

May I ask why you are wasting your time reading - and replying - then? Some people are trying to have a discussion here.

If you're not interested, please feel free to NOT PARTICIPATE.

Maybe all that 'wining' has made him drunk.
 
Originally posted by km

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Originally posted by rjensen11
One thing that we need to realize is this: We don't always need the latest software

Take word processing, for example. We have had essentially the same program for nearly 10 years. Has it changed? Yes
Has it changed so much that you couldn't use the ones from 10 years ago? Nope

I have(as I've mentioned this many times before) a 200mhz PC with Win98 on it. If all I needed to do was homework, I could do that on that computer.
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MY GOD QUIT WINING NOBODY CARES BOUT WHAT U HAVE TO SAY ABOUT BILL GATES :mad: :mad: :mad:

What did that have to do with Bill Gates?
 
Originally posted by space
I run win98se.

1. Mircosoft sucks because i feel like they should suck.
2. I don't want an apple, because they suck too.
3. I dont want linux. i already have it, and no games run on it.
4. Its much easier for me to pick on microsoft, then to do some simple clicks of the mouse.
5. I cant stand microsoft.
6. I cant stand microsoft.
7. I cant stand microsoft.
8. I cant stand microsoft.
9. I cant stand microsoft.
10. I like to complain.
11. There is nothing you can do about it.
12. If you don't like to see/hear/read about people complain about ms, the don't look/watch/read about it.
13. STFU
14. :p
15. I am gonna use my 1st amendment right, so microsoft sucks.
16. win98 is full of bugs.
17. nanny nanny boo boo!

There now that i said that, what are you gonna do? you gonna spaz out and post another topic like this?


:p :p :p :p

heh, that was fun.


true true.....


i have Win 98se also and i dont want an Apple 'cause i dont have the spare $3,500 for a G4!and i wanted to download Linux Mandrake but my dad wouldnt let me so...IM STUCK!
 
Originally posted by jubula
i dont want an Apple 'cause i dont have the spare $3,500 for a G4!
Get a new top-of-the-line iMac. 800mhz G4, 17" LCD monitor, lotsa RAM/HD, CD and DVD burner, loads of cool software...

$1800 complete, if not cheaper. That's just last time I checked.
 
Originally posted by F2002
Microsoft is good, its just that they dont stick to their word, they said XP was uncrashable, and it is...

XP has never crashed on me ever since i put it on i have even tryed to crash it but it wouldn't
 
Whoa, XP is suppose to be uncrashable? Whoa, It crashes whenever I open the wrong Warcraft exe file, and I've crashed every OS I've come by except for RedHat(that I just can't get to function correctly for everything, and since it's on a 200mhz PC, I try not to use that computer too much)

The only thing I don't like about Macs are that there's no expansion room on the inside. G4's are, from what I've seen, pretty cool. I like the fact that you can replace the monitor on those, compared to Macs, too. I don't really like Macs, but Apple itself is cool.
 
The iMacs are, indeed, too tight for expansion. Those are really meant to be consumer machines.

However, all of the desktop Macs (and there have been desktop machines since 1988) have all had at least one expansion slot (besides the video card) and one expansion bay. Most have had 3 to 6 expansion slots and one or two expansion bays.
 
Really? I know those bubble shaped ones don't have any room, but I thought that the PowerPC's(that's them, right? There's more that look like towers than just the G4, right?) were Apples, and not necessarily Macintosh. But, chances are I'm wrong, since I'm not necessarily knowledgeable in that field.
 
Originally posted by fermy88
Both my computers have MS ME.

Agh! :yuck:

Windows Millenium has possibly been the worst operating system ever created by Microsoft! I ran it for less then a month before it started crashing on me every 5 minutes. I was happy once i got back to running 98.. And at first i thought that win98 was bad! Oi!

The best OS out right now made by Microsoft is truely Win XP. Its very stable, and will run any program made by/for Windows without a problem. If you do experience a problem, thanks to MS you now have a little "Compatibility Mode" dropdown that will solve any problem you have with running a program in Win XP. Dont get me wrong, I hate Microsoft.

I tried running Linux a few times, to no avail. I always had problems when trying to install it, then when i actually got it to install, i had problems running it... What a bugger eh?

Just my two cents.. :2cents:
 
Originally posted by rjensen11
Really? I know those bubble shaped ones don't have any room, but I thought that the PowerPC's(that's them, right? There's more that look like towers than just the G4, right?) were Apples, and not necessarily Macintosh. But, chances are I'm wrong, since I'm not necessarily knowledgeable in that field.

All Apple computers made since the late 80's are Macintoshes. The Apple ][e and the original Mac (you know, the one that looks like a toaster) coexisted for a few years between 1984-1986 or so, but that's it. After that it was all Macintosh. The Mac went color, and desktop (rather than all-in-one) in 1988, and that's when I bought my first one.

There've been many chganges, obviously, buit it was still the same basic OS, with many improvements. The PowerPC Macs appeared around 1995-6 and performancve took a big jump. In 1996 I bought my second Mac, a Power Computing clone from the short year or two where Apple licensed the OS. That meant my first Mac (which I still have after 14 years) had a useful life of about 8 years. 1998-9 brought the G3s, and again performance took a big jump. This also began the era of the iMac, a return of the all-in-one machines, but this time paking a 15" color monitor and G3 power. My PowerPC Mac was still plenty fast enough (it still is today) so I skipped the G3s and bought a G4/450 in 2000.

Now the new iMac has a 17" LCD monitor mounted on a swing arm, looks like half a basketball, and is a G4 twice as fast as my desktop machine. They also make a variety of G4 tower configurations, including dual-processor 1.4 ghz models, but they're all still Macintoshes.

OSX, the new Mac OS, is the first time it's been rewritten from the ground up (though A LOT of the system was rewritten to be PowerPC-native in 1997-8. OSX is Unix-based, very stable, and very powerful. It does take some RAM and disk space, but in that category, it's only just now catching up to where Windoze has been all along.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke

OSX, the new Mac OS, is the first time it's been rewritten from the ground up (though A LOT of the system was rewritten to be PowerPC-native in 1997-8. OSX is Unix-based, very stable, and very powerful. It does take some RAM and disk space, but in that category, it's only just now catching up to where Windoze has been all along.

Wasn't OSX basically ported off of the Linux Kernel? Anyway, Windows got their idea of Win3.1 from the Mac OS, with the whole configuration thing. Win95 went a little bit further, but basically only added a start menu(otherwise it looked the same, performance wise, it's a lot worse, I think, because my sister's computer could get into Win3.1 in about 20 seconds, and shut down in less than 5!)

Thanks for the info on Macs vs Apple, though, I appreciate it!
 
Originally posted by rjensen11
Whoa, XP is suppose to be uncrashable? Whoa, It crashes whenever I open the wrong Warcraft exe file, and I've crashed every OS I've come by except for RedHat(that I just can't get to function correctly for everything, and since it's on a 200mhz PC, I try not to use that computer too much)

The only thing I don't like about Macs are that there's no expansion room on the inside. G4's are, from what I've seen, pretty cool. I like the fact that you can replace the monitor on those, compared to Macs, too. I don't really like Macs, but Apple itself is cool.

be Prepared for a long post from a Mac Addict

In the new g4 towers that with out unscrewing anything you can open up the inside, where theirs plug in room for 4RAM cards, a 2nd Video card, and a 2nd Hardrive, also everyone here deserves a kicking(Except Youth and neon)

*Kicks everyone*

Neon is right, the G4 processer is blindingly fast compared to P3, IPod is the best MP3 player out their hands down(even windows users agree), because of bluetooth and iSync in Jaguar(X.2) you can sync your computer, palm pilot, and phone with just the click of a buttom. Also all iPrograms are free (with the exception of iDvd which is for making Dvds not playing them) and iMovie is rated the best movie making program for starters, and now about 99%of all software is Mac supported. Also on an online survey mac users were more intelligent, artistic, and more likly to buy online products...

Now for laptops, The t1(titanium) is virually indestructable with loads of Ram, a very large screen, and a very fast processer, compared to the best rated PC laptop whose screen bent and easily broke, came with medeokre ram and speed, and a very very tiny screen(for only a little less) Now onto Moniters, the Mac 27"(I Believe, May be off by and inch or two)LCD Cinema Display screen is the best moniter out their, their was never any compition for it and their still isnt.(Compared to mostly big box moniters of most PCs) Now for the eMac(Lower Class), a sturdy computer for home, cheap for a mac and comes with a good amount of Ram and Speed and with the full comlement of IProgs, much better than lowend Pcs. Then the iMac(Middle Class), flat screen 17" 800Mhz loads of ram, a beatiful design, And very controllable screen, compared to consumer PC speeds, this thing is a Cheetah, PCs are snails(For real, its been proven by every test) And Now for the towers(Upper Class) G4 some dual procesers with 4RAM Slots, room for a second harddrive, and a second video card, all which can be installed without aking out any screws, in a matter of seconds. These babys are blingly fast with capability of up to 2GHz of RAM(Mabye1.5 Im not sure).

I have the very first slotloading imac(Pretty Old) and my comp is running all of StudioMX(flash, freehand, dreamweaver, and fireworks) with no problem, it has minimum lag on War3 which many PCs, even newer ones cant run because of the minimum ram it requires...

One last thing, for that new IBM that you see commericials for with the quick restore and all, No moniter Included, not great speed or RAM, quick restore is DOWNLOADED(possibly for money) and probably eats up a good piece of your ram, why doesnt it come with a moniter, too make the price seem lower... thats all im saying for now, and of you say im lying, your wrong, this is all proven now go off and buy a Mac! O and for you people who are saying macs dieing, its not, its growing, people are switching to Macs more and more, the rate of people using macs is growing and very quickley, Dude your not getting A Dell!

So thats all, id like to thank Youth_Cycler for recommending me to this thread just to prove everyone here wrong ^^
 
Whoa, Q-Zar, that's looking like one of my posts, by the size of it!

Things are looking pretty grim for PC's. With many companies switching over from Win2k and NT to Linux kernels to save money on hardware and for the fact that they can dish out more data than any Windows OS, they're, not slowly, but not quite quickly, becoming the favorite OS for servers. Windows itself is just redoing itself, claiming to make it better, buy why do the min. requirements go up if it's suppose to be faster? I don't know...

Oh yeah, Q-Zar, Welcome to GTP!

Now, back to what I was saying before:
The main reasons why I havn't switched to Apple's OS's is because all of my computers(other than my Apple][e) are x86 processors. So, thus, I can't run any Apple programs(correct me if I'm wrong, please) other than Quicktime. That's nice, but all of the tests run show that, although it's a nice player, its MPEG4 streaming isn't up to what RealPlayer or Windows Media Player is.

One interesting thing I found, when upgrading from RedHat7.2 to 7.3 is the option to have your interface mimic other OS's. They had Windows, the traditional Linux, and Macintosh. That supprised me, but due to the crappiness of the machine that's running RH7.3(586 P1 200mhz MMX w/ 64mb RAM and I think either 8 or 16mb Video), I have to run the traditional Linux with all of the boringness, thus the icons aren't the high-res ones, I don't have any mouse-over changes for the icons, only in menus, and I can't have too many programs open at once, because RH actually uses up quite a bit of resources compared to Win98, but it's never crashed on me yet, so I'm not mad at it;)

I have a question for iMacs, can you plug in another monitor? I mean, seeing that if you want to add something to one of the new iMacs, you have to have a firewire hub, can you unplug the existing monitor and plug in another? I have some 18" viewable monitors(flatscreen, not flatpannel) and I've noticed that those have a wider viewing angle than LCD's. They are also more powerful, so you can see them better in bad(not dark) lighting situations.

While you said that what, 99% of software is supported, do you mean Macintosh or all software? I'm just curious because I'm hooked on those old games from '93 and stuff(Indiana Jones & the Last Cruisade, Indiana Jones & the Fate of Atlantis, Monkey Island 2, etc.), are there still emulators to play DOS games? Also, are there any good Nintendo or SuperNintendo emulators? I also love those games, but the best way I found to play them is with the Microsoft SideWinder Gamepad(I think it's because it feels like a PS2 controller, minus the 2 sticks, an R & L button[1 of each], and plus two more buttons by the SCXT, which reminds me of a Sega Genises controller), so are there connectors to plug in any joystick/gamepad? Or do they have to be USB?
 
For imacs you may be able to plug in another moniter, but i dont think you can...Most people who have imacs have no need for a different moniter/2 moniters(and the flatscreen is built on, not plugged in)

For the 99%figure basically i meant most software now you can run on a mac w/o and emulator except for some games. I know the newest monkey island you can play on the Mac. As for emulators if you get a mac i can give you some great sites, i have a fully OSX Super nintendo Emulator called SNESX(Very Good), I even have a plastation emulator I can mail to you(I o longer need it) Theirs also several GamePads/Joysticks for the mac, i have one almost identical to the PS controller(all the same buttons plus to more"trigger" like buttons)Most Gampepads/Joysticks come with a connecter so it can be used with USB or the PC port.

I you need anymore help feel free to ask ^^
 
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