Jaguar XJR9 - voodoo magic?

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So.. I'm re-grinding the Dreamcar Championship with my new 908 HDI to run in the engine. Tokyo R246, 10 laps.

After five laps I have a comfortable lead of about 40 seconds on the #2. I'm running consistent laps with only 0.5 seconds difference between them.

Suddenly I notice that within 1 lap #2 gained 12 seconds on me. Fast-forward 2 laps and now he's on my tail. It's that darned XJR9!

How is this possible? Is this rubberbanding with a vengeance or did the XJR9 driver suddenly discover a little red button on his dashboard to unleash an alien dark energy propulsion technology? That thing is a freaking rocket on rails!
 
I notice it more often in other races, also in B-spec.

When bob is firmly in the lead (say 40 secs+) suddenly within 2 laps he is battleling for 1st place..... :-s

Strange rubberbanding indeed.... but hey, it motivates to even push harder :dopey:


The Brittish probably stole some Protos technology or something......
 
The very same Jag gained at least 16 seconds on me in one lap at Monza, he went from over 10 behind at the start of the lap to 6 in front by the end, after that I was slowly catching him but ran out of laps. It's like the A.I has a cheat button.

By the way, this has been covered before.:sly:
 
ASH32
By the way, this has been covered before.:sly:
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Ok.. I must have missed it - and needed to vent :grumpy:

I've done the Dreamcar championship quite a few times by now, but this was the first time the rubberband effect was so glaringly in my face. And it seems the XJR9 is more prone to catapult itself out of nowhere than the other cars in the grid.
 
brambos
After five laps I have a comfortable lead of about 40 seconds on the #2.
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Which is not the Jaguar but is holding up the Jaguar.

brambos
Suddenly I notice that within 1 lap #2 gained 12 seconds on me.
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Which is now the Jaguar in 2nd having got past the car that was 2nd.

We all know the AI, and our own Bobs, can't overtake very well, and can get held up behind others.

The Jaguar also has about 900bhp compared to the 600ish of all the other AI, if memory serves.

Sorted. Didn't even need a CSI for that one.
 
daan
Sorted. Didn't even need a CSI for that one.
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Good to know it's not some horrible rubberbanding algorithm but rather the AI's complete imcompetence when it comes to doing what racing is about: overtaking the guy ahead of you :dunce:
 
You can see the same thing happening in the Deep Forest Historic race. I was clear of the field until the Toyota 7 got into 2nd place, and then he just screamed up behind me.

 
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ya the jag has the highest Hp (900 or so) out of all the AI cars. Whenever i play that event the jag usually has the 8 to 12th position in the grid. Halfway through the race it'll get ahead of the rest of the AI and then theres no stopping it.

the only thing you can do to make it easier is to restart the race until the Jag isnt in the lineup.
 
stormbringer
ya the jag has the highest Hp (900 or so) out of all the AI cars. Whenever i play that event the jag usually has the 8 to 12th position in the grid. Halfway through the race it'll get ahead of the rest of the AI and then theres no stopping it.

the only thing you can do to make it easier is to restart the race until the Jag isnt in the lineup.
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Exactly that. The XJR9 (when bought from the UCD) sports 900HP (+/- 100 depending on mileage). Look at the typcial oppenent list before you start any dreamcar cup race. The XJR9 is the only thing in the list that has more HP then Kilogram, so more than 1HP/kg.

If you see it in the UCD, GET IT ! It's mad fun and looks sweet :) (altho with the big turbo that's only +100 hp, the toyota 88C still has better performance/weight ratio)

And for people who remember Stunts (or 4D Sports Driving, in some countries) it was in that game too, pure nostalgia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stunts_(video_game)
 
If you see it in the UCD, GET IT ! It's mad fun and looks sweet
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Yep: "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" is a strategy that works. Hey, if that Jag wasn't there, in my opinion the race would have been less fun. It is a pain to worry about him, but it makes it interesting. The Spec II Test car can hold it's own, and sometimes it ends up ahead of the Jag in the Dreamcar championship. Maybe that's because of the starting order in the last race --which I usually drop.
 
SJames052
Maybe that's because of the starting order in the last race --which I usually drop.
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Hmmm... if the Jag is there I don't think you can drop the last race, because it will have consistently beat you or got 2nd place. This means you'll end at best with both 400 points which I think will not give you the overall gold, does it?

AFAIK you can only drop the Nurb race if the 2nd place has not been taken by the same car in all other races.
 
AFAIK you can only drop the Nurb race if the 2nd place has not been taken by the same car in all other races.
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Hmmm, I've done the DC at least 20 times, probably more. I've usually dropped the Nurb race, depending on whether I was doing it for the credits (to buy a car) or to cycle the UCD. I've never finished in second, though once --to my surprise-- I did tie. Well, in A-Spec, I've lost a race (usually La Sarthe) badly and still ended up winning the championship. In B-Spec, Bob always drives an overwhelming car; so, it's "set it and forget it." It was in B-Spec where the surprising tie occurred -- surprising because I couldn't imagine what could have happened. Anyway, I think it may be related to the starting lineup on the final race and when the player quits. I.e., the game (I think) records the final position of the racers, but doesn't extrapolate on which "would" have won the race.
 
SJames052
I've never finished in second, though once --to my surprise-- I did tie.
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What happens if you tie? I seem to remember that you don't get the championship gold then, that's why I never risk it if the Jag is there. If you do get gold anyway I'd love to know because then it's obviously safe to quit once you get to 400pts.
 
having bought the XJR-9 (left it stock) and raced this championship, Tokyo Route 246 is the only race where i cant drop the AI Jag by several seconds every lap although i think i just make more mistakes on city courses
 
The Jag is usually 6th in all of my races...

daan
You can see the same thing happening in the Deep Forest Historic race. I was clear of the field until the Toyota 7 got into 2nd place, and then he just screamed up behind me.
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How did you look to your right in the cockpit in the vid?
 
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A stock XJR-9 LM has 762~ish BHP. After fully tuning it has around 900. I don't think AI tunes their cars.
 
daan
You can see the same thing happening in the Deep Forest Historic race. I was clear of the field until the Toyota 7 got into 2nd place, and then he just screamed up behind me.
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The Historic Cup Race is notorious for cars screaming up on you. It is really evident at Deep Forest in both modes and Monaco in B-Spec.

Of course Monaco has the 2nd worst (or 2nd most humorous depending on viewpoint) race in terms of fairness due to the AI having no clue how to take the Nouvelle Chicane or Anthony Noghes corners without slamming into walls.
 
I just bought the XJR9..... used it stock, except for adding Racing Softs (it's a race car, it's allowed!), rebuilt engine and chassis, de-tuned to 700PP for the super car seasonal....

What a screamer! The acceleration feels awesome! Whether it's real acceleration, or a perception due to the engine noise I don't know (and never will without a proper test track!).

A real surprise car.....
 
Honestly, I think it's just the games way of putting a challenge on you when you enter a strong car. I had this issue too, half of my energy went to driving and half went to blocking the Jag. I also had the same deal in that race that gives you the Veyron, because no matter what I did to my Lambo SV (Or maybe it was the ZR1 RM...), A Pagani LM car kept riding me the whole race, and if he got ahead of me for 2 seconds, I had a certain 2nd on my hands. The game can't be too easy :)
 
seadog777
I just bought the XJR9..... used it stock, except for adding Racing Softs (it's a race car, it's allowed!), rebuilt engine and chassis, de-tuned to 700PP for the super car seasonal....

What a screamer! The acceleration feels awesome! Whether it's real acceleration, or a perception due to the engine noise I don't know (and never will without a proper test track!).

A real surprise car.....
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You actually like it? I find that mine understeers a lot, but maybe it's my setup. As for the Jag creeping up on you, I love it. A challenge is better than cruising to the finish line with no real competition.
 
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its because the jag usually starts right at the back of the field. so it haas to work it way through and then catch up with you
 
Jag never really posed a problem for me.

And for B-Spec, it's down to your driver's bar thing going into the blue. If you keep him in the middle of slightly red, the Jag wouldn't come close to catching up to you.

This is of course with a driver being in an LMP type car.

I usually beat the Jag at Tokyo by around 15-20 seconds in the Pug 908.
 
This has happened to me once, ages ago though.
Dream Car Championship, I was using Pagani Zonda R on Nurburgring 24h, I had a good 40 seconds lead (AI pitted) and by the lap 3 - Jag was on my tail (!), I won by 0.2 of a second. Don't know how it happened but that was the best race I ever had in GT5, I was all sweaty. :lol:
 
Vitzio
You actually like it? I find that mine understeers a lot, but maybe it's my setup. As for the Jag creeping up on you, I love it. A challenge is better than cruising to the finish line with no real competition.
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Yes, I do, it was a real surprise. I don't find it understeers too much. I haven't touched mine for tuning... just added the racing softs. Maybe a chassis rebuild will help? I didn't try mine before I rebuilt the chassis.....
 

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