JGTC Off-Season thread

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Here is the place to discuss anything about the upcoming season. Suggestions you might have, new ideas, format you want to see change, rules & settings tweak, etc... Anything you might have in mind please put it down here. I will read every single post and take notes of what you've got to say. It's by doing this that a series will improve and evolve.


Info #1 : S5 will use the GT300 car lineup



If you can also rate from your point of view Season 4 that would be great. 👍


Your time to speak now. 👍 :)
 
GREAT!!!
JGTC 300 championship.That's what I'm waiting for!!!
I liked the sprint races for the qualifying,but I think the hotlaps much better fit for this cars.My only idea is this about the JGTC.Everything else is perfect!
Thank you so much for your job in the past seasons,eats!It's good to be here...
 
I absolutely loved this season (S4), but I have to say that the mini-race qualifying was a little too time consuming for me.

GT300 class drives next season will be great!

Maybe going back to hot lap quali, and hour long races would be just the ticket?

That's my only thought.
I know I championed the format for this season, as a change of pace, but the old way was a little better I think.

Neil
 
If we go back to a hotlap for the quali, I will be in this season, I will make it happen...

Main thing about qualifying though, is that we NEED to have the weight and power penalties/handicaps BOTH transfer over for qualifying. Some cars are disadvantaged/advantaged from the start, and drivers can only make up for so much. I think that with decent participation, we needn't worry about the fast always being too frustrated during qualification, with our new penalty system(which I thought worked out great).

I would still like to keep the 45 minute races though as opposed to the hour long ones...
 
Main thing about qualifying though, is that we NEED to have the weight and power penalties/handicaps BOTH transfer over for qualifying. Some cars are disadvantaged/advantaged from the start, and drivers can only make up for so much. I think that with decent participation, we needn't worry about the fast always being too frustrated during qualification, with our new penalty system(which I thought worked out great).

I would still like to keep the 45 minute races though as opposed to the hour long ones...


I totally agree,Kyle!
 
OK, minor point conceeded.

45 mins is ok as a full race time.

Neil
 
:cheers: Every minute saved on required racing means it's easier for more people to get the stuff done. And maybe even be short enough that they can give it more than one go.
 
I didn't mind the sprint race qualy format, but either is good for me. I must agree though that the 45 minute race format is MUCH better than the hour long. Much more flexibility for those of us with lives :sly:
 
Well I've enjoyed this season very much. Even if I can't qualify to save my old butt :ouch: LOL .... I didn't do very well last season in the qual's either. So I'm in the "don't really care" group on this one. I did find that trying to race against the cars with better tyres and HP a good challenge 👍

In respect to the penalties being brought into the qualifying. I think we had a Huge ! discussion prior to the start of this season. Eat's brought a very valid point to the table. The "standard" weight/hp were used so that the "fast guys" - you know who you are :sly: - would have incentive to remain in the series, the points available to them.

Upon reflection of the season, I think Guillamue saw validity to this avenue. We've been trying to grow this series. As the "vets" will attest to, the fall out rate for this long and intense type of racing is vast. It's a rare breed that is willing to race a 20-35 lapper, only to have the AI crash you 3 laps to the end :crazy: ... Meaning, exit - restart :yuck: because there is no way in hell we're going to submitt a race time with a penalty !

As for the length of race question. Might I suggest a hybrid ? A mix of what we did in season 3 and 4. Thus never really knowing what the length of the race will be until it's posted - where is the evil grin icon ? LOL

The 300 class making a comeback 👍
The delema is, am I enough of a loon to race both classes ? :dopey: Assuming there will be both. I know some of the "vets" have done this in the past. But, as our dear Swiss friend says - some of you have a life ! ... read that as a woman that must be kept at least mildly appeased. We'll see how Neil fares after his bethroal :sly: racing, pool, darts, beer, racing, beer :)

Lastly, I'll be off for awhile, as I've yet to move once again. I've started the process and think it'll be about about a month or so before things settle a bit.
So don't be worried that I haven't thrown my opinon around in here. I promis to make up for lost time when I get back :eek:

J.R.
 
''I absolutely loved this season (S4), but I have to say that the mini-race qualifying was a little too time consuming for me''
''If we go back to a hotlap for the quali, I will be in this season, I will make it happen''

Along with GTX .. Agreed and Agreed .. mini race qualifying is too time consuming for me [ why i dropped out of S4 ] .. much depends on when S5 will start , but if single hot lap qualifying is in = Delfino is in
 
I'm in whatever the quali or race lengths are, I just wanna race!!!
 
Poor participation here. So basically what I'm getting here is that this a close to perfect series since nobody has anything new to bring to the table? Come on, tell me more. :)


Oh and btw, when I said GT300 cars were making a comeback this means the entire field will run that class. S4 used GT500 and we're giving it a shot now with GT300. Field should be even closer now since the GT300 rides are a little slower and easier to handle.
 
Oh and btw, when I said GT300 cars were making a comeback this means the entire field will run that class. S4 used GT500 and we're giving it a shot now with GT300. Field should be even closer now since the GT300 rides are a little slower and easier to handle.
Interesting... I didn't think we had enough people to run both classes.

Poor participation? Well, you didn't really "advertise" that you had this thread up, but yeah, I doubt even if you did it'd make much difference.

You've heard my complaints all season... :sly:
 
To be honest, you've always done a class job of designing and maintaining this series. We've tried different approaches and formats, and each successive season has been a fine-tuning improvement.

My thoughts on qualifying are that both the hotlap and sprint race formats have merit. I found the sprint race to be beneficial from the point of view of comparative laptimes; running with fuel as we do in the race provides me with a close approximation of my race setup laptime right off the grid. The sprint race length is not prohibitive and it enables good practice for those of us who don't have much time to practice outside of the official runs.

The hotlap format is of course the traditional qualifying method, and allows us to focus more on sector times than overall race performance. This does not provide insight into expected race setup laptimes, but does enable practice in a similar way, although with a different tire setup to what we are likely run on race day.

I DO agree with penalties NOT being applied for the qualifying week. I think this was a very good idea that was proven this past season by examining the results. Points were still kept close while giving a good indication of who is fast and who is not on any given track. It also enables the faster drivers to still haul points for the overall championship even when they're coming in 7th+ place in the race due to penalty restrictions. The comments I've seen from some on this point seem to revolve around the expectation that even slower drivers can win the championship. I disagree, I think slower drivers should have the opportunity to win RACES, and they do. But the championship should always be there for the taking by the consistently faster drivers, otherwise it loses it's meaning.

As for the race, it's pretty straightforward. I would vote strongly to retain the 45 minute race time, rather than return to the 60 minute format of earlier seasons. It was too long, primarily from a real-life practicality point of view. The only suggestion I would have regarding the race would be to try and reduce our power enough so as to make the AI more competitive. Even at +10, in most races we're passing them into turn 3 or 4, and occassionally just inside lap 2. We all know the AI are annoying in their driving style, but it might mix things up a bit, and actually give them a reason to be on track. I'm a bit unsure about this suggestion, because it may cause a high drop-out rate due to AI frustration... :sly:

And finally, keep the open car selection as you had in S4. There is NOTHING worse than feeling you've been stuck with a dodgy car because your lottery slot was way down the list and there was nothing else left. That was a wise decision to allow multiple selection of the same car this past season 👍

So to summarize:

1. Qualifying in hotlap or sprint race format has merit.
2. Penalties should NOT apply in qualifying, as in S4.
3. Race time should remain at approx. 45 minutes.
4. (Carefully) consider bringing the AI more into the race.
5. Retain open car selection (cars may be selected multiple times).

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on everything (hey, you asked for it Eats :sly: ). I realize I haven't suggested much but rather assessed what we have, but I believe the season is run very smoothly and we've worked out most of the quirks in the past already.

Keep up the great work, Maestro 👍
 
To keep alive the fight for the team's championship title...
We have two competitors in a team,but just before the race week (while the qualifying goes on),the leader of the team needs to tell the name of the pointscorer.So in the championship there is a possibility for the teams to score points with only one member if anything turns the wrong way.(I mean RL or losing a partner.)
Just an idea.:)
 
When are we going to start the Season Eats? It'll be fun going back to the 300 class, I think I ran the first 3 seasons in 300 driving the Altezza....great little car, but I'll sorta miss my RX7 :(
 
When are we going to start the Season Eats? It'll be fun going back to the 300 class, I think I ran the first 3 seasons in 300 driving the Altezza....great little car, but I'll sorta miss my RX7 :(

Hey Andy, there's an RX-7 in the GT300 class, you should remember the battles we had (Monaco springs to mind instantly) when I was driving it!

Neil
 
Hey Andy, there's an RX-7 in the GT300 class, you should remember the battles we had (Monaco springs to mind instantly) when I was driving it!

Neil

Oh yeah, I forgot who won that race,but Monaco is one of my better courses, it's a city course...my favorite type.
 
If I remember correctly, you did my friend.

By the thickness of a few layers of paint, after 50 odd minutes of racing!:crazy:

Neil
 
Yeah, starting to wonder if JGTC is dead and gone :( This is the longest break we've had between seasons.

I see our race admin logging on pretty frequently, but not responding to any threads or PMs. Anyone heard anything?
 
Ok, the JGTC S5 thread will probably be posted tomorrow Saturday 05/09. Questions I'd like your opinions on.


Teams, we allow again solo drivers and co-op ones? Again with each their individual standings?
Any new format you might have in mind to score the team's points and get the results from?

Any new cars in the lineup (GT300)?
Tracks you want to race on?

Anything else?




Start to practice again boys because it won't take long and this will be under way. :cheers: :cheers:
 
Do your worst (oops!, I mean....) best, as always mate! 👍
Just as long as we get to race,


WE BE COOL!

Neil
 
Definitely solo drivers still please. I'm happy to race in a team, but in my line of work I can never be sure when I'll have to jump on a plane. I don't want to be letting anyone down
 
To keep alive the fight for the team's championship title...
We have two competitors in a team,but just before the race week (while the qualifying goes on),the leader of the team needs to tell the name of the pointscorer.So in the championship there is a possibility for the teams to score points with only one member if anything turns the wrong way.(I mean RL or losing a partner.)

Hey,Zeratul,that's why I told this.It could be working in case of teams with one member too.
You can have your own team and so you won't be afraid of letting anyone alone.
 
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