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Back on topic with the OP,

A plastic world filled with plastic thoughts yields plastic results. What do I mean?

I am becoming a bit biased as I age in specific regard to the up and coming generation. Much the same I imagine my father and grandfather felt of theirs.

I interview 500+ people a month for job placements. I can't help but notice a trend with the younger crowd as many exhibit an entitlement mentality. There's many good articles to be read online of this.
I would believe many of the comments in the news section are a result of youth. Flame away...
 
I did think about this last night: about a year ago (maybe even longer at this point), when there was the SSR7 online race glitch that allowed people to finish 200 laps in about 10 minutes, I wonder if, for PD's purposes, that was counting the actual distance travelled by the GT-R (probably only a handful of miles' worth of donuts), or the intended race distance (roughly 2800 miles). There were people spending hours doing those races, buying up some of the 20 million dollar cars, and rinsing and repeating.

If PD is getting their numbers just based on an event's typical completed distance (no matter how the racers actually may have completed it, like the glitch), that could definitely have an inflating effect on the numbers.

On the other hand... does it count the endless amount of laps that took place in the near-daily "Open Track Day" rooms I had at the 'Ring back in late 2010 and early 2011, since those weren't technically races?

I think they count actual miles driven. Each car keeps a running count on the distance traveled as well as a trip meter (some cars, like the McLaren MP4 even has instruments in the cockpit that allows you to see those meters) so my guess is that they collect the data from the trip meters by the end of all online races. At least that's what I would do...

The question is if they collect the data just for fun or if they actually use it for something. If they are clever they would log how many miles each car model has gone, which would let them see what type of cars are the most popular.

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Back on topic with the OP,

A plastic world filled with plastic thoughts yields plastic results.

Made me think of this:

 
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I put most of it down to people being far more cynical now than they used to be. You see it all the time in movie reviews, game reviews, peoples comments on TV shows.

The ending of Lost was the biggest pile of ____ ever.
Prometheus is utter _____
GT5 is complete _____

People hype things up to crazy levels and then tear them down when they dont reach the crazy expectations that they set for them. For some reason GT5 was meant to be the perfect game and when it wasn't that is PD's fault for not reaching an impossible goal.
Prometheus was built up as a genre defining moment in Sci-Fi and when it wasn't somehow that was Ridley Scott's fault for not making his movie better.

Its as if people have forgotten how to take pleasure in anything anymore and instead look only at the faults and blow them out of all proportions in order to tear down the game/move/TV show. This seams to be applied even more so if the object in question is an established franchise where the hype train goes into overload.

If only there was some way we could drop GT3 onto the modern cynical mindset and see how they would tear it down...I think that would be very interesting.

Just my $0.02

Fantastic analysis there Dave! We do it to successful individuals too ...

GT5 is doing just fine, and if that vexes some of you, I have to wonder why. There is something worse than being overly in love with a game, and that's having a grudge against it, or its maker. Is anything more pointless in this universe?

Agreed. I just cannot understand the level of antagonism but I do understand that some people will fight for their money's worth and that it is their right to do so. Still, I just wonder if life is not made simpler simply by moving on and never looking back ...
 
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Fantastic analysis there Dave! We do it to successful individuals too ...



Agreed. I just cannot understand the level of antagonism but I do understand that some people will fight for their money's worth and that it is their right to do so. Still, I just wonder if life is not made simpler simply by moving on and never looking back ...

Why should anything be above analysis and criticism?

Successful or not, nothing is perfect and nothing is going to meet the expectations (realistic or otherwise) of every purchaser, and as such is fair game for analysis and discussion.
 
Agreed. I just cannot understand the level of antagonism but I do understand that some people will fight for their money's worth and that it is their right to do so. Still, I just wonder if life is not made simpler simply by moving on and never looking back ...

I have moved on from GT5 to play the other game. But just because I've stopped playing GT5, doesn't mean I've automatically stopped being a GT fan. I still come here to see what's going on with GT5 to see if anything will show that will make me want to play again, not to mention watching for GT6 to see if it will fix the things that I had issues with in GT5.

Which is why I appreciate one of Scaff's posts earlier. This site is not only for people who like GT5.
 
I have moved on from GT5 to play the other game. But just because I've stopped playing GT5, doesn't mean I've automatically stopped being a GT fan. I still come here to see what's going on with GT5 to see if anything will show that will make me want to play again, not to mention watching for GT6 to see if it will fix the things that I had issues with in GT5.

Which is why I appreciate one of Scaff's posts earlier. This site is not only for people who like GT5.
What game is that?
 
Why should anything be above analysis and criticism?

Successful or not, nothing is perfect and nothing is going to meet the expectations (realistic or otherwise) of every purchaser, and as such is fair game for analysis and discussion.

They shouldn't be, but it seems GT5 receives much more criticism then it deserves. People are too busy comparing GT5 to other games of the same genre to notice the things it does right. It's not even just Gran Turismo. I notice it for Forza, and even in other genres like shooters. Gotta stop looking at the negatives all the time if you want to see some positives.
 
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They shouldn't be, but it seems GT5 receives much more criticism then it deserves. People are too busy comparing GT5 to other games of the same genre to notice the things it does right. It's not even just Gran Turismo. I notice it for Forza, and even in other genres like shooters. Gotta stop looking at the negatives all the time if you want to see some positives.

Welcome to GTP.
 
They shouldn't be, but it seems GT5 receives much more criticism then it deserves. People are too busy comparing GT5 to other games of the same genre to notice the things it does right. It's not even just Gran Turismo. I notice it for Forza, and even in other genres like shooters. Gotta stop looking at the negatives all the time if you want to see some positives.
Why do you assume a critic doesn't see the positives? Are you suggesting that if anyone has a complaint they must balance it out by posting a positive comment? The forum would be pretty cluttered wouldn't you agree.

I have an novel idea since so many people wear rose colored glasses and are uber positive on the forums. When you read a critical post, how about you look for the positive in their message or try to find a way to agree with a point that they may. Maybe you can work with them to solve the problem or find a mutually agreeable solution.

“A gem cannot be polished without friction, nor a man perfected without trials.” – Seneca

“Change means movement. Movement means friction. Only in the frictionless vacuum of a nonexistent abstract world can movement or change occur without that abrasive friction of conflict.” – Saul Alinsky
 
Forza. I didn't want to risk turning this into another GT vs FM thread but hopefully that won't happen.
I only said that, because it's not right to do that. You're perpetuating the problem. It's as pointless as being politically correct with everything people say or do.
 
Why should anything be above analysis and criticism?

Successful or not, nothing is perfect and nothing is going to meet the expectations (realistic or otherwise) of every purchaser, and as such is fair game for analysis and discussion.

Nothing should be above analysis and critism. Indeed, I recognise the right for people to do exactly that (as I stated). But surely it should not be done for the sake of it and I was wondering why people do it. These days I am playing less and less but I have yet to come on GTP and criticise the game. I seem to understand that "it is what it is" and can never be more and that no amount of negativity will change a thing. And now, waking up this morning, I read Kaz answering questions about F1 and Mobile Gaming Platform and again I realise, the physics engine, more western cars, livery editors and more tuning options do not seem to be on the list of priorities. And this is the kind of thing that made me wonder if it would not be simpler for people who are not happy with the game to wait and see if GT6 will meet expextations. Somehow I doubt it.

But in all honesty I am not suggesting that anyone should leave GTP or leave GT for good because they want better tire modelling or whatnot. If that happened there would be no agitation to help push PD in the right direction. But, again, seeing the man talking about F1 and Mobile Devices tells me GT6 is likely to disappoint people in the same areas that GT5 disappointed them.
 
Scaff.

The "cause" I am speaking about can be found in various threads throughout the GT5 discussion board for example. I may not post alot compared to some, but what I do is read. This place is an excellent source of reading material, not doubt.

Anyways, I will not single anyone out but many of the posters who are unhappy with GT5 repeat that fact over and over again. I just don't understand a level of that dedication regarding a video game especially if there is no monetary reasons involved. Maybe I am getting to old for this?

As was the case with any piece of entertainment in my life, if I was unhappy with it, I cut my losses and moved on. Coming to a forum will not change the "sorrow" in my life, nor will rinsing and repeating of various topics somehow drive the point home to PD. There is marvelous feedback section here that cuts through the nonsense is there not?

You state "utter and complete nonsense" but you know it is the truth. Look at the amount of posts generated over the Motegi DLC. It's all over the place.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=256875

Do you honestly believe that if that thread had everyone in agreement it would be that size? No. You know that too and that is all that I was saying. Anyone with any experience in forums outside of posting understands that members are required for forums and discussions are required to keep them.

I have been here for years (not an active poster mind you), and I have seen many come and go, and many a topic find life through some new poster (honestly the search engine needs to be tuned). In the mean time, I'll keep playing GT5 and enjoy it for everything it's worth and every once and awhile I will discuss non life essential topics on GTPlanet.
 
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They shouldn't be, but it seems GT5 receives much more criticism then it deserves.

How much does it deserve, and how do you determine that?

People are too busy comparing GT5 to other games of the same genre to notice the things it does right. It's not even just Gran Turismo. I notice it for Forza, and even in other genres like shooters. Gotta stop looking at the negatives all the time if you want to see some positives.

I'm one of GT's critics on this forum, but I assure you that I do see the positives of the game. I spent countless hours playing it while posting all those things I've said on the forum. I also managed to get a garage of well over 1000 cars and collect a large number of tickets.

There just isn't as much to be said when something is done right. About the only time I'll defend something repeatedly is when I think it's unjustly attacked, like the PP system in GT5P or early in GT5.

Scaff.
Anyways, I will not single anyone out but many of the posters who are unhappy with GT5 repeat that fact over and over again. I just don't understand a level of that dedication regarding a video game especially if there is no monetary reasons involved. Maybe I am getting to old for this?

As was the case with any piece of entertainment in my life, if I was unhappy with it, I cut my losses and moved on. Coming to a forum will not change the "sorrow" in my life, nor will rinsing and repeating of various topics somehow drive the point home to PD. There is marvelous feedback section here that cuts through the nonsense is there not?

People can dedicate their time to whatever they want. I'm not just going to accept subpar quality unless the product is something I don't care about. If the product is one that I want to see succeed and enjoy, I will pick out its every flaw.

GT is just a game, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to put significant time into it. I don't think anyone expects posting on the forum to remove sorry from their lives, but they might think it could help PD recognize the flaws they see in the game. The feedback section is great, but you'll get more discussion on the forum itself, and the reasoning behind fan suggestions are as important as the suggestions themselves.
 
That is good to know. So GT5 (warts and all) still has managed to have every one the 7.3 million players to drive on average 500 online miles?

That is a smashing success.:)

Well me and about 11 others did a 200 Lap Nascar race at daytona. That uses up our allotted 500 miles each. Although I'd probably say I've done around 30,000 online miles.
 
Scaff.

The "cause" I am speaking about can be found in various threads throughout the GT5 discussion board for example. I may not post alot compared to some, but what I do is read. This place is an excellent source of reading material, not doubt.

Anyways, I will not single anyone out but many of the posters who are unhappy with GT5 repeat that fact over and over again. I just don't understand a level of that dedication regarding a video game especially if there is no monetary reasons involved. Maybe I am getting to old for this?
You can turn that around 180 degrees and find members who are just as 'rabid' about praising GT without any thought or question and doing so over and over again, yet you seem quite happy with that.

That 'level' of dedication exists on both of these sides, but again you seem to only single it out as being an issue if its in regard to a critical comment.

Lets once again turn that around and say if you were actually not bothered by any of the issues raised in regard to GT5 and are quite happy with the game, then why did you create this thread? One that seems specifically designed to actively promote and encourage this exact same level of discussion.

That you created a thread of this nature and then say "I just don't understand a level of that dedication regarding a video game especially if there is no monetary reasons involved." is also odd, as you are showing that exact same level of "dedication regarding a video game", just for a different side of the coin.

As was the case with any piece of entertainment in my life, if I was unhappy with it, I cut my losses and moved on. Coming to a forum will not change the "sorrow" in my life, nor will rinsing and repeating of various topics somehow drive the point home to PD. There is marvelous feedback section here that cuts through the nonsense is there not?
So only post if you all happy and shiney in regard to a product and everyone else should just post in the feedback section and then bugger off?



You state "utter and complete nonsense" but you know it is the truth. Look at the amount of posts generated over the Motegi DLC. It's all over the place.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=256875
I stated that "the staff here requires people who complain in order to stay alive" is utter and complete nonsense because it is. To be blunt you have no idea how many 'argument' threads we merge and close on a daily basis, how many members get warnings/infractions/bans for be aggressively argumentative. You have no idea because the general membership never sees this work.

If we required this to survive we would not bother at all with any of that activity, nor would we bother coming down hard on those attack others as a form of complaint, rather than actually addressing the point in discussion.

We actively try and promote discussion, which may or may not include complaints, however to try and claim that we need complaints to survive is both inaccurate and not a comment you are in a position to make, as you simply do not have the information to make it available to you.

Plenty of threads exists on here with almost zero complaint and/or argument in them at all, it depends on the topic in question. Even the one you posted as an example is not a 'Complaint' thread at all, its an information and discussion thread on the new DLC. That some members have negative opinions doesn't change the fact the thread was created to inform and discuss the DLC. Now if you want an example of a thread created simply to complain, well then look no further than this one.


Do you honestly believe that if that thread had everyone in agreement it would be that size? No. You know that too and that is all that I was saying. Anyone with any experience in forums outside of posting understands that members are required for forums and discussions are required to keep them.
Discussion =/= complaint

We require members and we require discussion to exist as a site, but those discussion are not solely dedicated to complaints and arguments.
 
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