Just can't get it..

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I know this is whiny, pointless and the answer is git gud but I just cannot get this game.

I'm qualifying on the podium ( D/A rank and I'm getting 1:17 on Willow Springs with at least 10 laps) and consistently do so, However, I'm constantly self sending myself. I just don't get it, I get chronic understeer in the actual races where I don't in qualifying.

Honestly it's getting rage inducing to self send my self constantly from first to last, any tips other than just keep playing?

I'm using a t150 if thats worth anything...

Good first post eh? Tell me how bad I am and its just me. I suppose this is more of a vent but I could use some tips or whatever.
 
labowsky
I know this is whiny, pointless and the answer is git gud but I just cannot get this game.

I'm qualifying on the podium ( D/A rank and I'm getting 1:17 on Willow Springs with at least 10 laps) and consistently do so, However, I'm constantly self sending myself. I just don't get it, I get chronic understeer in the actual races where I don't in qualifying.

Honestly it's getting rage inducing to self send my self constantly from first to last, any tips other than just keep playing?

I'm using a t150 if thats worth anything...

Good first post eh? Tell me how bad I am and its just me. I suppose this is more of a vent but I could use some tips or whatever.
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All you can do is Practice & Practice, and welcome to :gtpflag:.
 
Sounds like over-thinking your race pace to me, depends on which Daily race you're focusing on too though. If you're doing C just remember the tire wear factors in no matter how small the multiplyer is, effects of wear will still be felt. Doing practice races set to those multiplyers in arcade will also help.
 
labowsky
I just don't get it, I get chronic understeer in the actual races where I don't in qualifying.
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Seems to me you are jumping out of the front car's draft on corner entry. This is what is upsetting your balance on cornering and making you understeer - it happens a lot to me as well. It's like you are in a vacuum made by the car (or cars) in front, going agains little resistence. As soon as you step out of this vacuum cone, you'll get hit by a mass of air which is enough to make your car feel wonky.

You don't get this on the QTT simply because you are all by yourself on track.

We could argue that the effect is a bit overdone in the game, but it is what it is I guess.

The tip is try to avoid losing the draft on corner entry, as annoying as this sounds.
 
Please, whoever, correct me if I'm wrong - not sure whether memory serves me right :
During qualifying your car's running under opt conditions so to speak, while you have to factor in more weight due to fuel and cold tires at race start, even in the A or B events. That makes for a noticeable difference in handling.

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labowsky
... Good first post eh? Tell me how bad I am and its just me. ...
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We're not that mean ... usually :D - welcome here :cheers: !
 
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Seems to me you are jumping out of the front car's draft on corner entry. This is what is upsetting your balance on cornering and making you understeer - it happens a lot to me as well. It's like you are in a vacuum made by the car (or cars) in front, going agains little resistence. As soon as you step out of this vacuum cone, you'll get hit by a mass of air which is enough to make your car feel wonky.

You don't get this on the QTT simply because you are all by yourself on track.
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Yep, this is dirty air. It's very prevalent in Gr.2 and up and you should definitely keep it in mind when racing high downforce cars. This is Gr.4 though, so while dirty air does exist, I don't think it's noticeable enough to be the only factor.

Have you ever had the same issue starting on pole? That would rule out the possibility of slipstream making you miss the braking points, since you have no slipstream in the lead. It may even come down to stress caused by your high starting position, or Big Willow being a pretty unforgiving track. :)

Also, a tip for the future (not the case here): When fuel consumption and tire wear are enabled, you have to consider some extra things. Wherever they are disabled (races A, B and QTTs) your car drives like it's on an empty tank and optimal-temperature tires. In race C and FIA races on the other hand, you start with a properly simulated full tank, which is an extra 100kg of weight for your car and hurts your cornering abilities, as well as cold tires, which will cause even more understeer.
 
this is the difference between qualifying and racing. Once you're in a race scenario, forget about lap times... it means nothing. At DR.D, you will without doubt see a good % of cars binning it - so your main task is to stay on track. Choose your battles carefully and race the race not lap times. Once you gain confidence in sitting in traffic and keeping your cool, then the pace side of things will get better.
 
There's no tyre or fuel use in A & B so the same conditions as qualifying. @ROCKET JOE

All I can think of is Big Willow's narrow optimum line with the marbles waiting for you if you step too far off it.

If you've got a replay of it happening, it will be much easier to work out what's going on.
 
GT5Power
Have you ever had the same issue starting on pole? That would rule out the possibility of slipstream making you miss the braking points, since you have no slipstream in the lead. It may even come down to stress caused by your high starting position, or Big Willow being a pretty unforgiving track. :)
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Never had this sudden understeer when leading/starting from pole. I'm pretty sure is dirty air because I never have noticed this whenever I'm isolated and far away from people in front on any race as well.
 
Oh wow, I really thought this thread was going to be ignored thanks to it's whiny nature.

I've yet to start pole so I cannot comment, I'm usually starting 2-3.

I think it's a mix of dirty air and a bit of a fear of being punted if I happen to brake too much or a little early... but honestly I think I would rather be punted off than self send.

I appreciate the replies and the warm welcome. This thread was kind of a vent as I'm a bit new (been playing as couple times a week for a month or so) so it's a little frustrating to constantly screw up but I'll keep going at it.

Good to know that race A and B are optimal settings like qualifying, I always thought it was cold tires since my self sends usually happen on the first one or two laps. Now I know its mostly slipstream related.
 
Leftcurl
this is the difference between qualifying and racing. Once you're in a race scenario, forget about lap times... it means nothing. At DR.D, you will without doubt see a good % of cars binning it - so your main task is to stay on track. Choose your battles carefully and race the race not lap times. Once you gain confidence in sitting in traffic and keeping your cool, then the pace side of things will get better.
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This is excellent advice. Even now after a year of playing my goal is always to complete the set number of laps without any off track excursions. Do that and you WILL pick up positions. Try not to worry about the cars around you too much. Just give them space and if you feel the car behind is quicker, don't defend and 'let' them go by. Trying to defend and race them increases your risk of crashing and will slow you down overall.

Only when you are super confident with a track/car combo should you let yourself have a more "racer" attitude.

Good luck with it all and welcome to GTPlanet. It's a really helpful community and will help you get further.

Final thought, checkout Tidgneys Driving School on YouTube. There's loads of excellent advice there.

 
Is dirty air a thing with Gr4? It's noticeable in higher groups with all their aerodynamics but for the life of me, I can't remember noticing it in Gr4.

You'll get there labowsky. Remember your brake points from qualifying and add a little to them if you're in a draft. Don't get drawn into the 'who dares wins' out braking contests and try to keep yourself calm. Less chance of over driving the car.
 
Well, just for my checkbox : Do we run races A and B as well as the resp. Q with fuel or without ?

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Not talking about fuel wear but about overall weight ( full tank / empty tank ) !
 
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1:17 at Big Willow this week is a really, really good time.

You should be able to clean up easy with that time. Know that. Be confident. And don't lose focus.

Remember spots you've had problems before and take those spots at 80-90% instead of 100% until you can be sure. Most of the time these are problem spots for everyone else too.

Be aware of cars but don't be looking in the rear view too much. Let anyone who wants to get by, go by. You qualified faster, you are faster than them so they are pushing beyond their safe pace. Don't let them distract your focus. Losing 1 spot is nothing compared to all the spots.

Best of luck. :D
 
ROCKET JOE
Well, just for my checkbox : Do we run races A and B as well as the resp. Q with fuel or without ?
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Only the FiA races have fuel use turned on in qualifying, which is madness as you have to fuel burn to lighten the car. One of the reason I watch streams after they've finished is so I can fast forward through that really annoying bit.:crazy:

The amount of laps negates fuel use in A & B anyway. They'll always be fast and furious sprint races with the car always in optimum condition.
 
kilesa4568
Is dirty air a thing with Gr4? It's noticeable in higher groups with all their aerodynamics but for the life of me, I can't remember noticing it in Gr4.

You'll get there labowsky. Remember your brake points from qualifying and add a little to them if you're in a draft. Don't get drawn into the 'who dares wins' out braking contests and try to keep yourself calm. Less chance of over driving the car.
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I think one of my issues as well is focusing on other cars too much, thus compromising my braking.

Question, how do you guys remember how long you brake for in each zone? I can tell inconsistent amount of braking is one of my issues and it feels like it's just going to be muscle memory .


O604
1:17 at Big Willow this week is a really, really good time.

You should be able to clean up easy with that time. Know that. Be confident. And don't lose focus.

Remember spots you've had problems before and take those spots at 80-90% instead of 100% until you can be sure. Most of the time these are problem spots for everyone else too.

Be aware of cars but don't be looking in the rear view too much. Let anyone who wants to get by, go by. You qualified faster, you are faster than them so they are pushing beyond their safe pace. Don't let them distract your focus. Losing 1 spot is nothing compared to all the spots.

Best of luck. :D
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Yeah I do tend to lose focus because I feel if I don't pay attention to other drivers I'm going to get punted and have my race ruined, but it seems like the opposite is happening to me now haha.

I've been telling myself to just race my race but It's difficult.

EDIT: I think I'm not going to worry, go slow and just race like some of you are saying. I'm already finishing near the back, I would much rather me stay on the track and have fun.
 
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labowsky
I think one of my issues as well is focusing on other cars too much, thus compromising my braking.

Question, how do you guys remember how long you brake for in each zone? I can tell inconsistent amount of braking is one of my issues and it feels like it's just going to be muscle memory .




Yeah I do tend to lose focus because I feel if I don't pay attention to other drivers I'm going to get punted and have my race ruined, but it seems like the opposite is happening to me now haha.

I've been telling myself to just race my race but It's difficult.

EDIT: I think I'm not going to worry, go slow and just race like some of you are saying. I'm already finishing near the back, I would much rather me stay on the track and have fun.
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If you want to get properly good, practice with cars that are twitchy from the braking area through to the exit. When it comes to braking, always find an exact braking point (tyre marks, rumble strips, braking marker boards, trees or anything else that is consistently highly visible with peripheral vision (driving with peripheral vision is key to everything because things are happening too fast). Focusing on the cars in front and using muscle memory is the worst thing anyone can do, although I suspect many have got into this irreversible habit and suffer by not fully exploiting their ability.

If you want an extreme case of what I have advised, Jos used to send Max out on slicks on a wet track and it works. I couldn't agree more with this approach. GTS has focused on cosseting players too much which sets them up to fail and the whole quality of the game suffers as a result. Kaz needs to understand this and I don't think he does.....
 
You may be getting overspeed into the turns via drafting or more than likely I’d say you are trying to race like you qualify, slow down a bit and go for concistency. Cars will fall off behind you and you have a good qualy time
 

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