Just got G27-not impressed

[PaullyS]

Do people find they are faster with a G27 than with a DFGT, or more consistent or what? Or does it just feel better quality? I play GT5, WRC3 (soon WRC4). Do you get more feeling through the pedals, as in do you get force feedback or anything through the pedals, or can you feel when the breaks start to bite or anything?

 

[bumer]

Do you get more feeling through the pedals, as in do you get force feedback or anything through the pedals, or can you feel when the breaks start to bite or anything?

G27 pedals may feel a bit better - higher resistance while pressing or so - but they certainly don't give any feedback to you.
If you are using G27 pedals that have perfect pedal mod installed or some other pedals that have load cell brake, these make you certainly more consistent, but they also don't give you any feedback.

 

[Gunstar]

Do people find they are faster with a G27 than with a DFGT, or more consistent or what? Or does it just feel better quality? I play GT5, WRC3 (soon WRC4). Do you get more feeling through the pedals, as in do you get force feedback or anything through the pedals, or can you feel when the breaks start to bite or anything?

I think the biggest G27 advantage is the better pedals, wheel wise I think the DFGT holds its own. In functional terms, the wheels themselves are pretty similar, it's just the shifter/paddles/rim are nicer on G27 where GT has more wheel buttons and a sequential knob.

 

[skazz]

Do people find they are faster with a G27 than with a DFGT, or more consistent or what? Or does it just feel better quality? I play GT5, WRC3 (soon WRC4). Do you get more feeling through the pedals, as in do you get force feedback or anything through the pedals, or can you feel when the breaks start to bite or anything?

The DFGT pedals are very light, very low resistance, and quite short throw. But they are definitely functional. Still, G27 pedals offer longer throw and the brake in particular is higher resistance, which makes it much easier to brake to exactly the amount you want. For instance in GT5 with ABS off you need to be able to fine tune your braking to within 5% or so to avoid locking up while still braking as fast as possible, and that is *not* easy on a DFGT.

I should also point out that the DFGT paddle buttons are not hugely comfortable and the sequential shifter is pretty crappy, whereas the G27 has much better paddles and the H box is sturdy if you want to use that.

Am I faster with DFGT or G25 (I don't have the G27 myself)? The answer is that I can place the car on the road with equal precision, and normal braking can be done similarly with practice, however threshold braking on the G27 can gain you some tenths (if you turn off ABS, otherwise in GT5 it doesn't matter because with ABS on you can slam the pedal) and if you want to catch a slide the G25's faster motors and better free spinning let you catch the car easier. So if you are talking smooth controlled lapping without slides and with ABS on you won't see any appreciable difference in laptimes


P.S. if you want to "feel" the brake bite, then Fanatec Clubsport pedals are the only option. They have a rumble motor in the brake pedal which can be controlled by some PC sims to rumble when you start locking up, or otherwise you can set it to rumble at x% brake force. So I have my clubsports set with GT5 to rumble at 65% which is generally when the wheels start to lock up with my typical brake balance setting on most cars. I feel the rumble and instinctively am able to modulate even before the game starts giving me cues about locking up. It's really very effective.... But considerably more expensive. And Clubsport pedals can only be used with a Fanatec wheel on the PS3.

 

[Conza]

but to be honest, this whole non-abs thing, its nonsense really, I mean, for the cars that don't have ABS in real life, fine, turn it off to get the full experience, otherwise it functions how ABS should, when set to 1 atleast, so with that in mind, and that most cars have it standard, AND that you can add it to any car anyway, the DFGT with ABS 1, is fine. Honestly, the G27 with ABS 0, I don't think is good enough (having owned and used both extensively).

 

[skazz]

but to be honest, this whole non-abs thing, its nonsense really, I mean, for the cars that don't have ABS in real life, fine, turn it off to get the full experience, otherwise it functions how ABS should, when set to 1 atleast, so with that in mind, and that most cars have it standard, AND that you can add it to any car anyway, the DFGT with ABS 1, is fine. Honestly, the G27 with ABS 0, I don't think is good enough (having owned and used both extensively).

Not to rehash, but there is a case to be made for turning off ABS in GT5 because it seems to do more than just prevent brake lookups, it seems to add stability to the car and reduce weight transfer as well (probably by being able to modulate each wheel's braking force to exactly the right amount independent of the other wheels). This means you can ignore weight transfer of trail braking to a large extent.
There are very few road or race cars with ABS that sophisticated, so in simulation terms ABS at zero is probably a closer feel to reality for most cars in the game, even if they have ABS in real life. But you do need to alter default brake balance in order to make ABS work, since 5:5 balance is nonsense.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Not to rehash, but there is a case to be made for turning off ABS in GT5 because it seems to do more than just prevent brake lookups, it seems to add stability to the car and reduce weight transfer as well (probably by being able to modulate each wheel's braking force to exactly the right amount independent of the other wheels). This means you can ignore weight transfer of trail braking to a large extent.
There are very few road or race cars with ABS that sophisticated, so in simulation terms ABS at zero is probably a closer feel to reality for most cars in the game, even if they have ABS in real life. But you do need to alter default brake balance in order to make ABS work, since 5:5 balance is nonsense.

This 100%. Great advice and I agree 100%.

 

[Conza]

Not to rehash, but there is a case to be made for turning off ABS in GT5 because it seems to do more than just prevent brake lookups, it seems to add stability to the car and reduce weight transfer as well (probably by being able to modulate each wheel's braking force to exactly the right amount independent of the other wheels). This means you can ignore weight transfer of trail braking to a large extent.
There are very few road or race cars with ABS that sophisticated, so in simulation terms ABS at zero is probably a closer feel to reality for most cars in the game, even if they have ABS in real life. But you do need to alter default brake balance in order to make ABS work, since 5:5 balance is nonsense.

Almost completely disagree, but fair enough opinion, hopefully in GT6 ABS will be more true to life, but I still think mostly good ABS is better than none at all, and definately more real to life, imo. Understand this is a debate in itself and not too relevant to the G27 anyway.

 

[pooioo]

Finally, I achieve to repair my steering wheel after a lot of tries and mechanical experimentations.

It's very strange because I don't know exactly how, I would be unable again to explain someone exactly the mechanical system of this device. I hope I'm not going to have new problems. The only problem is FFB seems now to be too weak on F1 2012.

Overrall, I'm disappointed of this wheel. I have the feeling that it lacks of little precision (maybe it's just psychological because I know the wheel just uses a cheap optical encoder wheel for movement translation).

I don't like the gearbox, too little and sometimes very hard to put the exact gear you want (for example, putting 5th gear instead 3th). Pedals lack a little resistance but I know you can replace the springs.

Strange point about GT5, you feel a lot of little jerks, I wonder if it is so realistic, I never feel that on GTR, karting or driving a normal car in good speed.
On the rally track on mountain (Eiger ?), the asphalt makes your wheel completely crazy.

And too bad that the steering wheel of the cockpit view of GT5 is not visually 900°, unlike GT5 Prologue where you were able to see the driver turning the wheel to its maximum.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think the biggest G27 advantage is the better pedals, wheel wise I think the DFGT holds its own. In functional terms, the wheels themselves are pretty similar, it's just the shifter/paddles/rim are nicer on G27 where GT has more wheel buttons and a sequential knob.

I went from DFGT to G27 a few months ago and I thought that top to bottom the G27 was the superior wheel. Noise wise no comparison, the G27 is near dead silent, none of that annoying and unnatural whining noise when you turn the wheel. Much smoother and dual force feedback motors provide more accurate feedback. The pedals in my DFGT did not provide perfectly linear inputs, you could see the meter on the screen jumping around a bit, but with the G27 it's perfectly linear providing more accurate inputs and allowing for smoother driving as a result. The pedals on the DFGT were way too light, G27 is decent and can easily be upgraded as well.

 

[Cote Dazur]

Not to rehash, but there is a case to be made for turning off ABS in GT5 because it seems to do more than just prevent brake lookups, it seems to add stability to the car and reduce weight transfer as well (probably by being able to modulate each wheel's braking force to exactly the right amount independent of the other wheels). This means you can ignore weight transfer of trail braking to a large extent.
There are very few road or race cars with ABS that sophisticated, so in simulation terms ABS at zero is probably a closer feel to reality for most cars in the game, even if they have ABS in real life. But you do need to alter default brake balance in order to make ABS work, since 5:5 balance is nonsense.

You are totally correct about the ABS in GT5 skazz, lots of threads on this subject on GT Planet already. 👍