Killzone 2 food for tought
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Blackbird.
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Well we already know that that video for E3 was real-time. It was confirmed by the developers. So we don't need a comparison. Believe it or go home, PS3 will have the better hardware.
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Tha_con, the first screen at the top of the page is from the new unreal game isnt it?
Anyway i think its looks very good, but maybe the graphics are such a leap to what people are used to, and everyone looking at doom3 and Halflife 2 as the next gen stuff on PC that the graphics on the Killzone videos look too way advanced to what they have seen. Lets all hope that the Sony guys arnt telling porkers and that this is in-game, because if it is then can you imagine what GT5 will look like
Anyway i think its looks very good, but maybe the graphics are such a leap to what people are used to, and everyone looking at doom3 and Halflife 2 as the next gen stuff on PC that the graphics on the Killzone videos look too way advanced to what they have seen. Lets all hope that the Sony guys arnt telling porkers and that this is in-game, because if it is then can you imagine what GT5 will look like
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the kz trailer was nothing but recorded gameplay footage. Of course the events were scripted but you had your AI, graphics engine, and physics engine running. Did anyone notice the ragdoll physics? I would also like to go off topic for a second to give info on heavenly sword. One of the devs of this game can be found on the beyond3d board and he said what we saw of H sword was real, it was gameplay and each enemy on screen had its own AI and they were using ragdoll physics. So if heavenly sword is real, why can't the other games that looked equally as impressive be real?
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Well yeah trailers are mostly going to be scripted but yes it was used with the capabilities of the PS3.
tha_con
You really want me to answer that?
It's simple, really, even if the answer itself is somewhat retarded. It's the fanboys. I know that word's been tossed around quite a bit, but it's the truth.
There are a group of people out there, we've all seen 'em, that are constantly going on and on about how the Xbox is better than the PS2 because it's more powerful. We've been hearing it for four years now.
These people are convinced, deep in their hearts, that anything Xbox is superior to anything Playstation. They saw what MS showed at E3, and that became their "idea" of what next-gen would look like. That, again, nothing anyone else could do would come close to achieving what Microsoft had done. Then, a few days later, MS got themselves pwned by Sony.
But, since Xbox360 was the "pinnacle" of next-gen (in their sad little world, anyway), then everything that Sony showed superior to that must be fake, CGI, Sony's lies, etc. To the point of fanaticism, even. Twisting the words of Sony executives, ignoring qualified statements of the video being real-time, convinced that places like IGN are to be believed ahead of Sony themselves. Conveniently ignoring the dead giveaways (like pop-up), and even attributing false "CGI" qualities to the video (like motion blur.. the video actually has none).
In essense, Microsoft inadvertently lowered people's expecations of what next-gen was going to be like. So that when they saw something drastically better, they automatically assumed it to be fake.
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Before final conclusion (as if there can be any), just few thoughts:
no final Xbox360 hardware has been "shipped to developers" yet (ATi hasn't finished graphics chip),
no final PS3 hardware hasn been "shipped to developers" yet (nVidia hasn't finished graphics chip),
*even though some developers have acess to developer kits, notice that all those DK's are just simulating final hardware to the specs. The same DK's were used for producing all the E3 footages and demos, as some playable demos (as new NFS for X360) were played from MacG5-based Developer Stations. DK's are using propper OS though, and transion to final-spec-hardware will be flawless and easy.
Now final thought:
For the past 5 years Sony was always under pressure for "having inferior hardware" and "tough-to-programme console".
I guess we can all be sure that this time Sony will come up with something that will stop that kind of negative PR once for all - if for no other, then for PR assets.
no final Xbox360 hardware has been "shipped to developers" yet (ATi hasn't finished graphics chip),
no final PS3 hardware hasn been "shipped to developers" yet (nVidia hasn't finished graphics chip),
*even though some developers have acess to developer kits, notice that all those DK's are just simulating final hardware to the specs. The same DK's were used for producing all the E3 footages and demos, as some playable demos (as new NFS for X360) were played from MacG5-based Developer Stations. DK's are using propper OS though, and transion to final-spec-hardware will be flawless and easy.
Now final thought:
For the past 5 years Sony was always under pressure for "having inferior hardware" and "tough-to-programme console".
I guess we can all be sure that this time Sony will come up with something that will stop that kind of negative PR once for all - if for no other, then for PR assets.
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I don't think that there is any question that the vid of Killzone 2 will be the exsact representation of the games graphics............is just that people don't believe that there can be such a high level of AI with loads of characters doing individual things.....I believe that this can be done........but others may think the vid was dramatisted...
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Robin, Thats the kind of thing we need to see in next gen video games. Pretty graphics wont justify buying a $300+ Next gen console.
Can someone back track and tell me how sony got a reputation for underpowered consoles? They only have 2 and PS1 was some good hardware for its time. I remember the first time I saw Warhawks Vally level with the reflections, that was stunning
PS1 survived N64 and PS2 is unphased by the more powerfull Xbx, but why is sony slow to ship more consoles?
Can someone back track and tell me how sony got a reputation for underpowered consoles? They only have 2 and PS1 was some good hardware for its time. I remember the first time I saw Warhawks Vally level with the reflections, that was stunning
PS1 survived N64 and PS2 is unphased by the more powerfull Xbx, but why is sony slow to ship more consoles?
LaBounti
Motion capture is nothing new for the industry, especially in real time, so that theory is out the window.
Madden NFL, NBA Live, Tiger Woods PGA, even past WWF Games running on PS1 had LOADS of motion capture in them, yet no one was questioning if that was real time.
Motion capture is a very simple affordable technique now, and it's much cheaper than creating your own animations for individual characters, etc.
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I can agree that there are people out there like that, but IMO it's equal to both sides. For every one Sony fanboy, there is one Microsoft fanboy, would you not agree?
In all honesty I think it's a bit unfair, because each group has his/her reasons to like a console, it's not always being mindless or blind.
For instance, I play my PS2 primarily because I enjoy the variety of games released for it more than I enjoy my Xbox. My Xbox get's playtime when certain games are released, but many of them are so short, or have such limited replayability to me, that I don't bother to play them much.
You could say it's because I don't play online, but my preference is to play offline, simply because I enjoy live company. Now, since I don't like online, does that make me mindless and blind? Or a fanboy? No. It simply means I have a preference.
That is how a large amount of the population is, however there are many who are so loyal themsevles to one console, that they would be so quick to call anyone who says anything negative about their console of choice, a fanboy.
So, you have to examine the videogame population as a whole. We are all fanboy's in a sense, because like it or not, we all have ONE console we support more than the other, or the PC. It's just facts of life.
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tha_con
Yes that it is probably true, but as this is a GT website (hence more PS orientated) the PS2 fanboys are of course in their element.
When I think of a fanboy I think someone that dismisses alternatives without a fair chance and preaches about 1 machine/company to all others as though it was the law
And no I wasn't trying to imply you were a fanboy.And yes I have my preference of course, which is the PC. A year and a half ago I'd have said I prefered my PS2 (my original which I bought nov 2000 I think) over my (then recently bought) Xbox but over time I've grown to like the Xbox more
Personally I was always a bit dissapointed with the majority of PS2 games (GT3 and FF10 included). Although thats not to say all Xbox games are works of art (far from it in most cases), but the Playstation is far from the near invunerable fortress it once was and Sonys (and PDs) BS gets a bit tiresome.T5-R
Yeah, that sums it up pretty well.
Although quite a few folks on IGN would say I was lying, I'm actually not a Sony fanboy. Although my actions could be construed as such. You see, what I am is an anti-Xbot. I flame Xbox fanboys. I relish the opportunity to rip their so-called "logic" apart and throw it back in their faces. While this may give me the appearance of a Sony fanboy, the appearance is actually deceptive. Consider that my actions are generally limited entirely to Playstation forums.. I don't visit Xbox forums in general (except here, and as mentioned above, GTP is largely PS-oriented anyway, so in effect, even the Xbox section is a "Playstation forum", populated by people who own BOTH systems, a practice I have no objection to).
I can truthfully say that I've yet to see anything on XB or XB360 that would convince me to spend the money to purchase the system. That does NOT make me a "Sony fanboy". In fact, if you tally up all of my systems, I own more Nintendo stuff than Sony stuff. I've only got one Sony console.. I've got a Nintendo console (GameCube) and three separate variations of the Game Boy (Color, Advance, SP, and I think I may even have a Pocket around here somewhere). And chances are higher than average that I'll be picking up a Revolution as well next-gen. Although I'm not a huge fan of Nintendo's, I do find the idea of downloadable access to all previous Nintendo releases to be quite intriguing, and I look forward to hearing how it's going to be implimented.
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Hiya!
Meow! (='.'=)Well put Tha_Con!
👍 Just the way things are in our humanity.
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tha_con
I'm talking about from first frame to last frame. In video games motion capture uses inverse kinetics in between MC data. But in CGI moveis or in game cut scenes its full motion capture and no inverse kinetics to begain the next movement. Thats why I said "too motion caputred". Looking exactly like somehting you'd see in CGI and no robot effect with the games you mentioned. I was only noting the scripted nature not if it was runnig real time or not.
