Kimi Raikkonen Racing in Nascar, WTF

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The Camping World Truck Series will apparently get the 2007 FIA Formula 1 World champ next year. Thoughts. :dopey:

Raikkonen strikes me as someone who easily gets bored, has shallow emotions and generally follows money with his nose. Meaning he cares little about what sport it is, its just about the money with him. Its been long believed by some that NASCAR is doing slightly better than F1 financially. His WRC excursion being the exception to his money desire perhaps.

Is he really after $$ or is he just looking to try everything for the heck of it.
 
I think it's cool myself. If I had millions of dollars and a good driver, why not jump from series to series. Yea, he could of stayed in F1 and raked in the money, but he decided to do rally and did, ok. Since he tried the World's biggest motorsports, why not give try out the American way of racing.
 
I've never quite understood why everyone seems to hate Raikkonen.

I wouldn't say people hate him. Fans know that he's one of the most talented drivers in the world. But he doesn't seem to have much or any motivation at all. I think that tends to rub people the wrong way. They see it as wasted talent.

With that being said, I don't expect Kimi to stick around the NASCAR scene for very long.
 
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Damn! Not another Juan Pablo Montoya!

He should at least go to Indy Cars and/or Sports Cars so he could go for the triple crown (Triple Crown= Monaco GP, Le Mans, Indy 500)
I believe he has Monaco under his belt.
Then again, not that I would do NASCAR, but if I could, I would try to experience all the different Motorsports. (I don't classify NASCAR as a sport)
In case you haven't noticed yet, I don't like NASCAR.

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Yeah, it's terrible to think he's copying the likes of Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Mario Andretti, Jacques Villeneuve, as F1 World Champions who gave NASCAR a crack.

Awful company to be in, right?
 
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The Camping World Truck Series will apparently get the 2007 FIA Formula 1 World champ next year. Thoughts. :dopey:

Raikkonen strikes me as someone who easily gets bored, has shallow emotions and generally follows money with his nose. Meaning he cares little about what sport it is, its just about the money with him. Its been long believed by some that NASCAR is doing slightly better than F1 financially. His WRC excursion being the exception to his money desire perhaps.

Is he really after $$ or is he just looking to try everything for the heck of it.

Kimi was the highest paid driver in motor sports while at Ferrari. He was earning around $50 million a year. So I'm not buying the argument that he's chasing money. Because he left a lot of money on the table when he bolted from F1.
 
Yeah, it's terrible to think he's copying the likes of Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Mario Andretti, as F1 World Champons who gave NASCAR-racing a crack.

Terrible company to be in, right?
What total sell-outs.

His WRC excursion being the exception to his money desire perhaps.
Is there a memo that I missed about the trucks no longer being the third-string NASCAR series and instead being the one that pays out major money?
 
Not surprised, he'll probably do ok just like he did in WRC. He's a talented driver quite obviously, so he'll be competitive in almost anything as are almost all ex-F1 drivers. I am a little surprised that Kimi hasn't tried to hone his skills in WRC and already given up, he was doing pretty well.
Don't be surprised to see Jarno Trulli take the same route as well as he has already tested a NASCAR.

I'd rather see them in Touring Cars, but thats just me :p. Tarquini, Monteiro, Zanardi and Larini are all good fun in tin tops.

I don't really get surprised at seeing F1 drivers in other motorsports anymore, its so common these days. Try following Jacques Villenueve's motorsport adventures if you want see how an F1 driver does in a variety of cars!
 
Try following Jacques Villenueve's motorsport adventures if you want see how an F1 driver does in a variety of cars!

I think Jacques has tried enough different racing series' to have his own show where he tries a new one every week with a yearly special about him trying to get back into F1.:lol:
 
Yeah, it's terrible to think he's copying the likes of Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Mario Andretti, Jacques Villeneuve, as F1 World Champions who gave NASCAR a crack.

Awful company to be in, right?

The worst!
Juan Manuel Fangio started in tintops.
 
I think Jacques has tried enough different racing series' to have his own show where he tries a new one every week with a yearly special about him trying to get back into F1.:lol:

I would and do watch it! His Andros Trophy debut this year was spectacular as always!
 
Kimi was the highest paid driver in motor sports while at Ferrari. He was earning around $50 million a year. So I'm not buying the argument that he's chasing money. Because he left a lot of money on the table when he bolted from F1.


he didnt bolt he got kicked out haha he made room for Alonso and Massa soon 1 of them will go for Vettel, and when they get kicked out they go down to doing circles in US
 
he didnt bolt he got kicked out haha he made room for Alonso and Massa soon 1 of them will go for Vettel, and when they get kicked out they go down to doing circles in US

There are more teams in F1 than Ferrari.
 
he left a lot of money on the table when he bolted from F1.
Because he was paid to. Ferrari essentially paid him to take a year off, just as they did with Ross Brawn. It was to stop their secrets from appearing in other teams. Any knowledge Raikkonen (or Brawn) could have taken to another team would have been twelve months out of date. Raikkonen had the opportunity to race in 2010 if he wanted to take it, but the pay-out he received from Ferrari would have been less than if he had stayed out of the sport.

And he also priced himself out of the driver market (possibly on purpose) by demanding high pay, a championship-worthy car and reduced PR hours.
 
Good for Kimi.

Seriously... you're young, you're fit, you've already won an F1 Championship and are bored to death of being at the top of the F1 field. (Kimi was second, like, how many times?) What do you do? Go to Disneyland?

He's financially well-off, he has a lot of spare time, so he goes racing wherever the spirit takes him. And he's well-known enough and talented enough that he can get a seat in any series he wants.

Most professional drivers would be envious of that opportunity.
 
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Good for Kimi.

Seriously... you're young, you're fit, you've already won an F1 Championship and are bored to death of being at the top of the F1 field. (Kimi was second, like, how many times?) What do you do? Go to Disneyland?

He's financially well-off, he has a lot of spare time, so he goes racing wherever the spirit takes him. And he's well-known enough and talented enough that he can get a seat in any series he wants.

Most professional drivers would be envious of that opportunity.

That is true, but why NASCAR?
Talk about being bored, he DOESNT get bored of driving in circles?
I would have liked to see him in either touring or sports cars, NOT NASCARs.
 
NASCAR is deceptive in its simplicity. The true challenge in NASCAR is being faster than the forty-odd other guys on track.

And that's the genius of the spectacle. Remove the factors of the track and the car (mostly... specs are so close that sometimes a small difference in chassis rigidity can mean the difference between first place and last) and all you're left with is a game of who's the better wheel-to-wheel racer.
 
That is true, but why NASCAR?
Talk about being bored, he DOESNT get bored of driving in circles?
I would have liked to see him in either touring or sports cars, NOT NASCARs.

Just to be clear, you do realize that all circuit based racing is essentially going in circles right?
 
Damn! Not another Juan Pablo Montoya!

He should at least go to Indy Cars and/or Sports Cars so he could go for the triple crown (Triple Crown= Monaco GP, Le Mans, Indy 500)
I believe he has Monaco under his belt.
Then again, not that I would do NASCAR, but if I could, I would try to experience all the different Motorsports. (I don't classify NASCAR as a sport)
In case you haven't noticed yet, I don't like NASCAR.

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I buy into him not chasing money....because of all he lost going to WRC. In fact I'll say that I was wrong assuming $$ is involved (NASCAR trucks dont have the big money).

Indy Car does NOT have the prestige though that NASCAR has. The Sprint Cup Series is as hard as Formula One. Camping Truck series is as hard as IndyCar atleast! The money being pumped into Sprint Cup and Nationwide is the same as the Formula leagues I think....

For Raikkonen to hit Indycar would be akin to Michael Jordan hitting up some college games in March. Its just not in his league. Not that IndyCar isnt competitive. Of course it is, but its a diff kind of competitive than F1 where people go balls out, and top drivers from other series are booted on a regular basis for failure to perform.
 
Its been long believed by some that NASCAR is doing slightly better than F1 financially.

For whom? F1 is countless times as expensive to simply participate in, so of course there's going to be enormous differences in profit margins for the teams and owners involved. There's a world of difference between spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for your car and spending hundreds of millions.

NASCAR isn't "better financially" for the drivers, though. I was hunting around for a list of the world's highest-paid athletes, and the highest driver on the list (from 2004, I believe) is Michael Schumacher at number two, at $80 million. The next driver doesn't come in until 18th, and that's a NASCAR driver, Dale Earnhardt Jr, at just $20.1 million (a quarter of Schumacher). Jeff Gordon comes in at 23rd at $19.3 million. The fourth driver on the list is Ralf Schumacher, down in 40th, at $16 million.

At a glance that may actually look, in general, better for the pay of NASCAR drivers, but the top two were only a quarter of the top F1 driver and the next F1 driver wasn't far behind. Still, it's important to note that these are just a handful of drivers, with all the rest bringing in less income than these. If we had a list of what every NASCAR driver takes in and what all the F1 drivers take in, I'd bet that F1 drivers average higher.

Yea, he could of stayed in F1....

"Could've". It's a contraction of "could have". "Could of" makes no grammatical sense.

Just to be clear, you do realize that all circuit based racing is essentially going in circles right?

I don't think that's quite what he meant. Typically when people frown on oval racing, it's frowning on the simplicity of exclusively turning in a single direction, of never really accelerating, never really braking, and really applying a minimum of driver feedback in general aside from just keeping the car steady. It's not normally so much about the fact that when you complete a lap you've returned to where you started and go around again.

The Sprint Cup Series is as hard as Formula One.

In terms of what? F1 and other road racing series have challenges in the form of driving skillfully. An F1 driver will put more work into simply getting their car around the track in a single lap than a Sprint Cup driver will in an entire 200-lap race. The challenge of something like the Sprint Cup series isn't skill-related. Sprint Cup challenge is more in the form of overcoming luck; being in the right place at the right time.

If you, me, and Jimmie Johnson were running laps around Daytona in Cup cars, with me right behind you but Jimmie off by himself but 300 feet ahead of us, you're the second-fastest car on the track, I'm the fastest, and Jimmie is slowest, not because of skill or lack thereof but simply because of location. Being behind you makes you slightly faster than Jimmie and makes me faster than both of you, and Jimmie doesn't have enough skill to compensate for the laws of physics.
 
^Here we go again :rolleyes:

Yes there is, but the more paid drivers go to Ferrari.

I'm pretty sure Sebastien Vettel and Lewis Hamilton earn more than Felipe Massa. ;)

Because he was paid to. Ferrari essentially paid him to take a year off, just as they did with Ross Brawn. It was to stop their secrets from appearing in other teams. Any knowledge Raikkonen (or Brawn) could have taken to another team would have been twelve months out of date. Raikkonen had the opportunity to race in 2010 if he wanted to take it, but the pay-out he received from Ferrari would have been less than if he had stayed out of the sport.

And he also priced himself out of the driver market (possibly on purpose) by demanding high pay, a championship-worthy car and reduced PR hours.

What? Raikkonen was paid for 2010 because he had a contract for 2010. Not because of "secrets" :lol:. Ferrari wanted to terminate Raikkonen's contract early, so they owed him the money they already had agreed to pay him.
The reason they wouldn't pay him the full amount if he joined another team is because quite obviously they expect the other team to pay for Kimi's services.

Ross Brawn was put on 'gardening leave' as are many technical staff because of his knowledge of next year's car. Not because of an early termination of contract. The same thing has happened to Adrian Newey (twice if I remember right - Williams to McLaren and McLaren to Red Bull). Its a team's choice to do this, they have no obligation to put people on gardening leave. A completely different situation to Raikkonen's.
 
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NASCAR isn't "better financially" for the drivers, though. I was hunting around for a list of the world's highest-paid athletes, and the highest driver on the list (from 2004, I believe) is Michael Schumacher at number two, at $80 million. The next driver doesn't come in until 18th, and that's a NASCAR driver, Dale Earnhardt Jr, at just $20.1 million (a quarter of Schumacher). Jeff Gordon comes in at 23rd at $19.3 million. The fourth driver on the list is Ralf Schumacher, down in 40th, at $16 million.

As of last year, this is where racers were on the top 50 top earning athletes.

#14: Kimi Raikkonen ($34 Million)(Guessing it's bloated from his Ferrari buyout plus his WRC contract)
#16: Valentino Rossi ($32 Million)
#18: Dale Earnhardt Jr. ($30 Million)
#20: Lewis Hamilton ($29 Million)
#23: Fernando Alonso & Michael Schumacher ($28 Million)
#27: Jeff Gordon ($26.9 Million)
#40: Jimmie Johnson ($23 Million)

The top drivers are all roughly in the same range. Also not sure what those numbers include, but it looks like base salaries so all the numbers could very well be higher.

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I'm not going to bother responding to the rest of your post.
 
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Because he was paid to. Ferrari essentially paid him to take a year off, just as they did with Ross Brawn. It was to stop their secrets from appearing in other teams. Any knowledge Raikkonen (or Brawn) could have taken to another team would have been twelve months out of date. Raikkonen had the opportunity to race in 2010 if he wanted to take it, but the pay-out he received from Ferrari would have been less than if he had stayed out of the sport.

And he also priced himself out of the driver market (possibly on purpose) by demanding high pay, a championship-worthy car and reduced PR hours.


I am aware that Ferrari paid him last season. If I remember correctly it was somewhere around $40 million.

My point was, Kimi all but asked to leave Ferrari knowing that he would be leaving a lot of long-term money on the table. Which is why I don't buy the argument that Kimi is chasing money. If Kimi is all about the money like the OP says, he would have been happy at Ferrari. But he wasn't.

he didnt bolt he got kicked out haha he made room for Alonso and Massa soon 1 of them will go for Vettel, and when they get kicked out they go down to doing circles in US

Ferrari paid him to leave because he clearly wasn't happy and lacked motivation. But there are other teams on the grid. And if I'm not mistaken he turned down a few offers. So yes, he practically bolted from F1.
 
This reads like a bad and early April Fools' joke. He's too good of a racer for NASCAR. It's not that NASCAR is easy, but Kimi is extremely talented. He should know better than to race for Gillett as well.
 
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