Koenigsegg CCGT & CCXR

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The CCGT haven't been in any race yet, but I really hope they'll get it there! Have anyone heard any news about it?

At least a Swedish tv show tested it a while back. Here you go:

 
Very nice, I kept on thinking the entire time that it looks almost too easy to drive by comparison to the street car, and it really looks like it would be a great entry into the GT1 class. But with everyone jumping down/around to GT2 and the like, what are the chances that they kick the CCGT down as well?
 
Patrik
Too bad this thread died so fast..

The CCGT haven't been in any race yet, but I really hope they'll get it there! Have anyone heard any news about it?

At least a Swedish tv show tested it a while back. Here you go:

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It was originally marketed towards the FIA GT, but I think with the upcoming rule changes in the future in racing, buyers might be weary.
 
Sadly this machine has nowhere to race in 2010 onwards. If they want to run it, 2009 is their only chance.
 
Jim Prower
Unless SuperGT rules would accomodate it, but they might be changing, too.
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Even if it could, I don't think it'd be a big contender. The GT500 class is just stupidly fast. I think some of their times on certain courses can match that of LMPs.
 
They arn't that quick, no GT500 car should come close to an LMP cars track pace. Not in the dry anyway. A lot of GT1 cars (old GT2 orGTS classes) are converted to GT500 rules and race in the Super GT. GT500 is probably closest to GT1 in terms of track performance, though they are faster than GT1 they arn't so much so that they can fight with LMP or LMP-GT's.
 
Dave A
They arn't that quick, no GT500 car should come close to an LMP cars track pace. Not in the dry anyway. A lot of GT1 cars (old GT2 orGTS classes) are converted to GT500 rules and race in the Super GT. GT500 is probably closest to GT1 in terms of track performance, though they are faster than GT1 they arn't so much so that they can fight with LMP or LMP-GT's.
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Um, they really are. Although, they may not be LMP1 fast, they aren't that much slower than a LMP2, maybe a few seconds.There was a comparision of a GT500 NSX against a Dome S102, and while the NSX didn't win, it wasn't very far off. This comparison from last year kind of shows just how dominant GT500s are next to a GT1 car.
http://www.racingworld.it/fiagt/notizia.php?idtitolo=3985&url=gt-confronto-tra-supergt-e-acofia-gt
 
Reventón;3193022
Um, they really are. Although, they may not be LMP1 fast, they aren't that much slower than a LMP2, maybe a few seconds.There was a comparision of a GT500 NSX against a Dome S102, and while the NSX didn't win, it wasn't very far off. This comparison from last year kind of shows just how dominant GT500s are next to a GT1 car.
http://www.racingworld.it/fiagt/notizia.php?idtitolo=3985&url=gt-confronto-tra-supergt-e-acofia-gt
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But don't forget that in ALMS competition LMP2 cars can compete with and even beat LMP1 cars on many tracks. The Porsche RS Spyder and Acura ARX-01b being perfect examples, since both have beat the Audi R10 before, along with having numerous pole positions.
 
Reveton is correct actually. If memory serves me right someone showed up with an FIA GT1-Spec Maserati MC12 and ended up over SIX SECONDS off of the pole position!

Really, the Super GT cars are just incredible! I mean, i remeber that a tuning firm bought a Riley Daytona Prototype chassis, made some (Very Stylish!) modifications to it and raced it in the GT300 class badged as a "Moonbeam GTP" (Maybe...My memory's a little rusty on this one...)!
 
You´re talking about the Shiden.


And GT500 cars are on par with LMP2 in terms of one lap speed.
The reason for LMP2 cars being as fast or faster than LMP1 in the ALMS is simply IMSA, who allow more freedom for LMP2 than the ACO does.

And converting the CCGT to GT500 means a complete rebuild. For GT300 they could possibly just run with larger restrictorplates. I know there was a Lamborghini Murcielago racing in GT300, and that very same car also raced Le Mans in the GT1 class.
 
Kingofweasles
Reveton is correct actually. If memory serves me right someone showed up with an FIA GT1-Spec Maserati MC12 and ended up over SIX SECONDS off of the pole position!

Really, the Super GT cars are just incredible! I mean, i remeber that a tuning firm bought a Riley Daytona Prototype chassis, made some (Very Stylish!) modifications to it and raced it in the GT300 class badged as a "Moonbeam GTP" (Maybe...My memory's a little rusty on this one...)!
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It wasn't running with the same restrictors as GT1 though was it? I'm under the impression that GT1 cars racing in LMP are at a huge disadvantage as they are designed to a different rule book and then modified to meet another.

a direct comparison isn't as unfavourable as that. Where GT500 cars have better chassis and aerodynamics, GT1 cars have a significant power advantage. Sure a GT500 is typically faster than a GT1 car on a track, but the difference isn't 6 seconds unless the GT1 hs been regulated to GT500 regs. That said I am havin gtrouble finding anything recent to compare the two so maybe someone else could help and prove me either right or wrong. The only direct comparison I can find right now is from 98 and both classes have changed a lot since then.

Reventón;3193022
Um, they really are. Although, they may not be LMP1 fast, they aren't that much slower than a LMP2, maybe a few seconds.There was a comparision of a GT500 NSX against a Dome S102, and while the NSX didn't win, it wasn't very far off. This comparison from last year kind of shows just how dominant GT500s are next to a GT1 car.
http://www.racingworld.it/fiagt/notizia.php?idtitolo=3985&url=gt-confronto-tra-supergt-e-acofia-gt
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To be honest I completely forgot about LMP2's when I typed that last night, so yeah LMP2 are probably the closest comparison. I'm not suprised that they wouldn't be too far behind LMP2 cars, the power outputs are similar and a GT500 and LMP2 is designed with function in mind from the ground up, LMP2 and LMP1 is a big difference though. Sure on certain usually tighter tracks the LMP2 can keep close to an LMP1 car, but I'd expect a tighter track to play in an LMP2 cars hands over a GT500 too. It makes sense than on certain tracks a GT500 isn't far off, but I wouldn't call a race between a GT500 and an LMP1 a contest.
 
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Dave A
It wasn't running with the same restrictors as GT1 though was it? I'm under the impression that GT1 cars racing in LMP are at a huge disadvantage as they are designed to a different rule book and then modified to meet another.

a direct comparison isn't as unfavourable as that. Where GT500 cars have better chassis and aerodynamics, GT1 cars have a significant power advantage. Sure a GT500 is typically faster than a GT1 car on a track, but the difference isn't 6 seconds unless the GT1 hs been regulated to GT500 regs. That said I am havin gtrouble finding anything recent to compare the two so maybe someone else could help and prove me either right or wrong. The only direct comparison I can find right now is from 98 and both classes have changed a lot since then.

To be honest I completely forgot about LMP2's when I typed that last night, so yeah LMP2 are probably the closest comparison. I'm not suprised that they wouldn't be too far behind LMP2 cars, the power outputs are similar and a GT500 and LMP2 is designed with function in mind from the ground up, LMP2 and LMP1 is a big difference though. Sure on certain usually tighter tracks the LMP2 can keep close to an LMP1 car, but I'd expect a tighter track to play in an LMP2 cars hands over a GT500 too. It makes sense than on certain tracks a GT500 isn't far off, but I wouldn't call a race between a GT500 and an LMP1 a contest.
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Actually JAF (governing body of SuperGT) allows GT1 cars for a direct transition to GT500 regs, without restrictions. Thing is, like G2 in FIA GT, they are not allowed to score points (atleast that was the case a couple of years ago, not sure now). But SuperGT cars are lighter, and aerodynamically much more advanced than a GT1 car, so even if a GT1 is faster top speed wise, accelereation, deceleration and cornering will be to a GT500 cars advantage. So noone is really willing to compete with an all-out GT1 car in the GT500 class. They simply have no chance.

Oh, and six seconds is a little too much, according to this test. More like four secs.

IIRC the GT500/LMP2 comparison was made at Suzuka, wich is a highspeed circuit, rather than a short twisty one.
 
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Mt. Lynx
Actually JAF (governing body of SuperGT) allows GT1 cars for a direct transition to GT500 regs, without restrictions. Thing is, like G2 in FIA GT, they are not allowed to score points (atleast that was the case a couple of years ago, not sure now). But SuperGT cars are lighter, and aerodynamically much more advanced than a GT1 car, so even if a GT1 is faster top speed wise, accelereation, deceleration and cornering will be to a GT500 cars advantage. So noone is really willing to compete with an all-out GT1 car in the GT500 class. They simply have no chance.

Oh, and six seconds is a little too much, according to this test. More like four secs.
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Fair enough, thanks for that link. It's actually under 3 seconds difference from the fastest car though and closesr to 2 seconds difference from most of the others. Thoes times are an average that I wouldn't dissagree with. A far cry fromthe 6 second difference first being touted (not by you ofcourse ;)).

IIRC the GT500/LMP2 comparison was made at Suzuka, wich is a highspeed circuit, rather than a short twisty one.
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yeah, I figred it would have been a quick track. A fast track closes the performance gap between an LMP car and anything else, if it was a tight track I think the GT500 would have been comfortably beaten. Again, if that LMP2 car had been an LMP1 car, then I'd expect an easy win for the LMP1 at a track like Suzuka.

I think though that regarldess of the LMP cars, it's safe to say that the CCGT wouldn't win much in GT500.
 
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Um, slightly back on topic: What's with those wheel hub bearings the guy was talking about in the Swedish car show video? He said something about them being from a helicopter, and the option of the ball bearings within being made of ceramic. I'm really interested in those.
 
Ceramic wheel bearings make for better traction characteristics. Are supposed to cure wheel hop, too.

But those wheel bearings? Otherwordly... look well overbuilt to take the stress of racing, and ultra-low friction, too... 240 mm? Most people's brakes aren't that big!
 
niky
Ceramic wheel bearings make for better traction characteristics. Are supposed to cure wheel hop, too.

But those wheel bearings? Otherwordly... look well overbuilt to take the stress of racing, and ultra-low friction, too... 240 mm? Most people's brakes aren't that big!
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Not to get too off-topic, but do you have any link or proper name for these things? I'm fascinated by them.
 
Don't know if this has been posted before. It's the CCXR Edition, which has a new rear spoiler and no paint job to show the beauty of carbon fibre.

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This may be old news, but I felt like posting some pics.
 
Ugh, that wing really ruins the rear end. I'd rather see a GT-style one be used.
 
I've never liked the looks of the Koenigsegg, but this wing makes it even worse! Looks like Luke will have his new X-wing fighter very soon...
 
They're probably developing a model to beat the SSC Ultimate Aero TT. It better have a bigger wing, or it'll be Le Mans 1999 and the MB CLR all over again.:nervous:
 

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