Lack of Tolerance in this Forum (Rant)

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*McLaren*
And now, it's 3:06AM, so I must really be getting back to sleep.

3:06AM? thats when I normally go to bed! Anyway, that's off topic.
 
Taurine
c) have no previous car experiences (IE: Owning a '97 Z28 Camaro does not mean you are a reliable source of knowledge, neither does the fact that you've driven an S2000 for 30 minutes and an Evo 8 MR for a few)
Are you saying I don't know anything about cars? Eh?
I take offense

I feel theres a lack of tolerence in that post. Be more tolerable.
 
MistaX
Are you saying I don't know anything about cars? Eh?
I take offense

I feel theres a lack of tolerence in that post. Be more tolerable.
That made me laugh!... But i agree, I think that posting stuff like that in this forum that wants to stop it.

My advice for you Mista, is to just let him say what he wants.. And you can just use the red tick to show how you really feel about what he said. Trust me i know form experience, it works, it works REAL good.
 
I can't totally agree with you danoff. Sure, GTP needs some improvement with tolerance and respect, but some things people say are just so ignorant or stupid that they don't deserve respect or tolerance anymore. I will respect your opinion when you have reasons and facts to back it up, but just saying things without knowing anything on the subject pisses me off, so I correct people when I have the chance to. Unfortunatly some people don't like to be proven wrong, and thats when the flame wars start.
 
Back down Taurine, he's done it before. He'll do it again.

AND I'M NOT JOKING

Actually he'll just sit on you.
 
Okay, now this is just going way off-topic. But heck, just about everything in this forum does... :lol:
 
Good post and thread Danoff your absolutely right, didn't see this thread before today. Now what really amtters is will everyone come in here say, "hey great post Danoff, yeah your right, then get back to flaming people for having a certain taste, or will they actually take note and act on whats been said.

Swift
Now, I want to bring up a specific reference here because he's gone anyway.

But BX had a truck that he modified the way most people would modify a sports car/coupe. He was ragged on to the point that he left. Now, he should've had a thicker skin, but why did we have to hound on him so hardly about his truck? Yeah, he lied before about major things and he was probably too proud of his truck. But that's no reason to cop the attitude "Lowering a truck is stupid".

I don't agree with what BX did to his truck as I think it's a waste of time and money. However, I'm not going to JUDGE him just because he took HIS time and money to do what he wanted to do. If he did the same thing to say, an old school Camaro, everyone would've been loving it. But it was a truck, so he got the flame thrower no matter where he posted. That is the very definition of intolerance.

Good thread Dan 👍
This is a very good example of what's wrong with many of the car debates. Personally, I liked Blazin, mainly for the debates we had in the auto forums. I know he had that big red X over his past but I never let that come into any of the debates we had, and we had a lot of debates because we dissagreed on just about every automotive trend, style, culture, preference, the lot. But neither of us ever resorted to insulting each other for being different, infact in the course of our debates, Blazin gave me a hell of a lot of knowledge on Corvettesand a few other American cars we don't get of see much of over here, which in turn led to me having more respect for thoes cars even though my preference stayed the same at the end of the debate. And I'd like to think I gave him good info on a few cars as well.
 
Gotta agree with what L4S says also. I have huge respect for the Z06 now. At first I was like mmm just another corvette, but blazin made me realise I was being a tad ignorant and that it truley is a great machine.
 
Poverty, I might disagree with you on quite a few things, but you've gotten me to shed my thick american skull about cars and things. I might still not be warmed over yet to the "new" look of the Audis, but the R series are some unbelieveable machines. Plus, you balanced out all of the detroit stuff that Blazin posted with all of your German news. (Which was all top notch stuff)

This forum would kinda suck if we didn't have people that thougt differently about things. But we should still respect each other. I might think a beat up Model A is cooler than a 240SX, but that doesn't make me any more wrong than the next guy.

Sidenote: Blazin left? I must be under a rock. I need to get out of this forum more often..
 
danoff
The beauty of capitalism is that it gives us variety, so we can pick and choose between the multitudes of cars out there to find the one that fits us just right. I'm not saying that you have to agree with everyone. Certainly not. Just try to keep in mind that cars are like beautiful women or art - there is no right answer. Everybody has different preferences and you have to respect that because yours aren't inherently better than theirs. This isn't math or logic, there is no objective truth here.

Agreed, aesthetics & practicality vary with the individual.

Value for money is a concern within Capitalism though & this could be a basis for structured argument when Vehicles are grounded in a Similar Practical Mode. Performance also comes into play in such comparisons.

Arguments where reason prevails can cut down on floating subjectivity then, imho.

BTW, i happen to think the Z06 is a value for money performance object & racial considerations (which are subjective ones) should not enter the equation.
 
Yes, the Z06 is undeniably great value for money as a performance car, even hardnosed Vette haters would be stupid to dissagree with that. Weather or not it's a value for money car is another matter, if the performance isn't the biggest buying point or if money is no object to the potential buyer, then that (amongst other things) starts to change what might be a better choice.

This here seems to be what a lot of people don't grasp in arguments, obviosely I'm only using the Z06 as an example since it's already been mentioned. It's like people asking me to explain why I like TVRs, it's just the whole package, the performane, the prce, the rawness of them. I like the idea of a 400bhp car with no electronic driver assists and outragous looks. I like the fact it's so damn fast an only 50 grand as well so there are undeniable pluses to a car, but then like Jeremy Clarkson said about the Jaguar XK8, "it floats my boat", some cars just do that. The fact I like fiberglass cars with no traction control, airbags or anti-lock brakes, cars that you literlally can't use in the wet won't make sense to everyone, but to me they just have that thing that makes me tick. Am I in the wrong for liking a car that has beter built rivals, not unless my reason was that it was better built than it's better built rivals. And would someone else be wrong for preferring thoes rivals, no.
 
High-Test
Poverty, I might disagree with you on quite a few things, but you've gotten me to shed my thick american skull about cars and things. I might still not be warmed over yet to the "new" look of the Audis, but the R series are some unbelieveable machines. Plus, you balanced out all of the detroit stuff that Blazin posted with all of your German news. (Which was all top notch stuff)

Indeed, there were times, initially, when I'd thought Poverty was just another stubborn guy... but he's actually become a productive and sane member of this board. (Seriously, Pov, you're A-OK 👍 ) See, sometimes moderation does work... :lol:

This forum would kinda suck if we didn't have people that thougt differently about things. But we should still respect each other. I might think a beat up Model A is cooler than a 240SX, but that doesn't make me any more wrong than the next guy.

Yes, we'd all be going zOMG!!! Z06 is king! or zOMG!!! TVR rocks! (nothing against either, mind you... sans flames, some of those were interesting discussions. :lol:)

Sidenote: Blazin left? I must be under a rock. I need to get out of this forum more often..

I'm not in all the other forums either, but I've noticed his absence... I'd always assumed it was a sabbatical or another bannination. While I never entirely agreed with the guy about anything, he did put some pep into the forums.
 
I think this is either a good reminder or wake-up call, depending on the member. I tried to respect other people's opinions, but I'm no Mr. Perfect. I'm sure I've offended some people in the past, but hopefully, topic like this will keep my attitude in check.

As for Blazin, I made fun of his truck all the time! :lol: But never in a way to hurt his pride for the truck or his feeling. We always got along fine.

danoff made a great thread, but I think Taurine took it to another level. 👍 Personally, I would've been more excited to see this thread in the "Opinions" or "Off-Topic" forum, where it's just as badly needed.
 
Right thread at the right time.

I just figured it was blazin's money, so he could do what he wanted. It didn't look too bad now did it?

I know I've ticked off my fair share of people here. I used to be the polar opposite bonehead version of Y_W. (I was built from the factory with an IQ, though)

Ah well. I'll try to turn over a new leaf and be more open minded.

(Can I still loathe the prius and all the communist leftism it stands for?)
 
I think people are just to intolerant of new members at this site in general. people blast the crap out of new members every chance they get, and never quit. anybody think there's a reason that with 83,000 members, you usually only see the same 100 or so?
So he posted a dumb thread. so he thinks GT should do something you dont want them to. so they think Turbo neons are the greatest rwd cars ever. you dont have to stab their throat out.
 
Taurine
I don't actually like you danoff, I think you're a prick to be honest but for once I agree with your whining.

But the Z06 sucks, pushrods are outdated, the 2JZ and RB26 are king, look no further then the almighty GTR and American cars are fat - ugly - slow and pointless.

That is all.
Even if you meant this jokingly - and I'm not convinced you did - posts like this are out of bounds.
 
Duke
Even if you meant this jokingly - and I'm not convinced you did - posts like this are out of bounds.

Sorry to be blunt and straight to the point and I'm sorry if I offended someone but that tends to happen because the truth hurts.

[EDIT]Oh and I find the Z06 very sexy, I just hate it's fanboys. I have built numerous parts for my bosses 500cui Pro Stock Chevy drag motor as well as their RB26, the 2JZ is currently pissing all over the import drag community although soon to be replaced by a V6 of similar dominance, the GTR is history now although those who still race them still hold their weight in their respective classes and I really have nothing against American cars at all, just the egos behind them.
 
Taurine
Sorry to be blunt and straight to the point and I'm sorry if I offended someone but that tends to happen because the truth hurts.
"Speaking the truth" can be used as an excuse for being offensive. It's not an acceptable excuse. There are plenty of ways to speak the truth without being offensive. This excuse is generally used by people who actually do want to be offensive, but who also want an excuse behind which they can hide if they get called out for their offensiveness.
Oh and I find the Z06 very sexy, I just hate it's fanboys... and I really have nothing against American cars at all, just the egos behind them.
This implies that there are no Japanese-car fanboys, there are no egos behind Japanese cars (or European cars, etc.), and that these are all American failings.

Is that your intent?
 
YSSMAN
Tolerance would be nice some times, but if we were all tolerant of eachother, we wouldnt have debates over our ideas and opinions. Sure, some people need to cool their jets (myself included) on particular subjects, but that can be said of anyone. No one is going to be completely right, and no one is going to be completely wrong either. But if we do not debate it, can we not attempt to prove eachother right or wrong?

There's nothing wrong with having a debate about what's better - but in the end there is no right answer, and the people doing the debating have to be aware of that. It's fine to talk about the physics of FWD vs. RWD and AWD all day and discuss which has advantages or disadvantages in different situations. But in the end, all three drive types have their uses. There is no right answer when it comes to personal preference. It's fine to discuss the cargo capacity or towing capacity of an SUV vs. a stationwagon - but the outcome doesn't render either vehicle useless or their owners stupid.

Taurine
I just find this thread extremely ironic thats all.
Some people need to learn to lighten up, this is the internet, go outside catch some sunlight, swing some o's, screw your missus senseless whatever floats your boat as long as it isnt whining on the internet like a little ***** whos just had their icecream stolen in the neighbourhood playground.

I use the internet for gathering information, I don't ask for people opinions here because they are either
a) control freaks rejected by their families so resort to the one place they can live out their use of the control stick
b) jealous of my position or somebody elses so therefore tend to act 'with little tolerance'
c) have no previous car experiences (IE: Owning a '97 Z28 Camaro does not mean you are a reliable source of knowledge, neither does the fact that you've driven an S2000 for 30 minutes and an Evo 8 MR for a few)
d) simply nobodies, who are they? They're real people I wont deny that but I can bet you they have a dead end job doing sweet **** all and with nothing else to occupy their time they sit on the internet bagging other people who think outside the square.

That is all.

You see the internet as some sort of fake reality where nothing really happens and nobody really exists. When discussing things in this forum I see the exact same opinions and reasoning that I see from people I spend time with at work and socially. You're talking to real people, and it would help you to realize that. The only difference between interacting with someone here and talking to your buddies is anonymity.
 
danoff
There's nothing wrong with having a debate about what's better - but in the end there is no right answer, and the people doing the debating have to be aware of that.

Strictly speaking, there can be. It depends on the precise nature of said debate.
 
danoff
You see the internet as some sort of fake reality where nothing really happens and nobody really exists. When discussing things in this forum I see the exact same opinions and reasoning that I see from people I spend time with at work and socially. You're talking to real people, and it would help you to realize that. The only difference between interacting with someone here and talking to your buddies is anonymity.

The internet is a fake reality because of that anonymity. Example: You can say whatever you want without fear of real consequence.
 
luftrofl
The internet is a fake reality because of that anonymity. Example: You can say whatever you want without fear of real consequence.

Lack of consequences doesn't make it fake.
 
A fake reality would be reality that isn't real, the internet is something that exists within reality. Being anonymous or not suffering any consequenses (which isn't strictly true about the internet) does not make it a fake reality in any way.
 
I just think we ALL take this stuff to seriously.

However, moderators are for controlling posts and threads they feel are offensive or inappropriate. And upon becoming a member of GTP, we all agreed to the forum guidelines, making us all "minorities" to the site. (for lack of a better word)

I do think that this site is much better than other forums in terms of ligit posting and useful information and opinions, much better than my choice of car enthusist webpage (the Whoretex....YSSMAN probably knows about this). But I do think that many opinions are taken too critically when posted in the Automotive thread.

As with many before, I agree that opinions are opinions and the internet serves as a free domain on which to post them. Many choose to use a viable source as back-up or "proof" of their claim or statement while others simply post information they believe to be correct.

I think we should all take these posts with a grain of salt
 
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