Learn how to drive an automatic

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I've been driving an automatic for more than a year and never did downshift at all ,when ever I overtake mashing the throttle is simpler and effective for me.

Yea.. I have a column shifter and only use "1" and "2" for going down steep or long grades. Otherwise I don't touch the thing.
 
I don't know.. something about only having 4 gears to choose between if you want to control it yourself just seems daft to me. Though I'm fundamentally biased because when I'm driving a manual I don't really give any thought to it, my hand and foot just move in a fluid motion instinctively.

I'd say a majority of automatics in cars in probably the last 10 years or so have been 5 or more speeds. My MINI had a 6 speed conventional automatic in it and now automakers are getting up to something like 9 speeds. When automatics we 4 speeds or less, they weren't all that great for the most part in most applications. The four speed in my Blazer worked well enough though, but it was an SUV so it didn't really need anything special.

Perhaps, but again.. these functions never get used because generally speaking people just don't care to have control over the gear changes if they're going out of their way to get an automatic.

I agree with what you're saying that most people just don't care, I was just giving you an answer as to why someone would buy an automatic if they still desired to shift.

But what if the car is a Venza?

Then you hope to god your son isn't beastly 2.2 Camry owner.

I, for one, think you're right. But that's because the vast majority of drivers in general won't care about performance or involvement, but about the other bits. I mean, from what I can tell, it seems like manual is the most common transmission type in Germany. Can't say much about the rest of Europe, but around here, people were never as big on automatics as they were (from what I've heard) in the US. And yet, only a few, select individuals actually care about their cars' performance.

Germany pioneered the double-clutch transmission and gave the world the R32 which was the first production car to have one. VW is arguably the reason DCT's are so successful, so Germany has to big on automatics in some way.
 
Germany pioneered the double-clutch transmission and gave the world the R32 which was the first production car to have one. VW is arguably the reason DCT's are so successful, so Germany has to big on automatics in some way.
Aside from the fact that most people seemingly can't/don't want to afford that sort of fancy stuff :lol:
 
Sure would I have had more fun with 6 gears instead of 4, yup, but do I think it would have given me and advantage, not at all.

Oh jeez the "good ol'" 4L60E...I've driven several Commodores (road and track) with it and it pretty much defines the word "slushbox". I found it very refreshing when they finally chucked a 6-speed auto in the VE Commodore. Mind you it has nothing on the ZF 6-speed auto in the FG Falcons but still refreshing nonetheless.

Also I have good reason to believe you will have been quicker with the Tremec T56 because of said 4L60E. Modern autos are a lot better for road racing these days. That transmission though was a dog for it. Much better as a 1/4 mile king.
 
Germany pioneered the double-clutch transmission and gave the world the R32 which was the first production car to have one. VW is arguably the reason DCT's are so successful, so Germany has to big on automatics in some way.
You are right, but I think Porsche can also be given a large amount of credit as they were the ones who did follow through with developing it with Volkswagen. They eventually got it into the 956 & 962 & S1 Quattro racing cars.

Not sure how or why it took almost 20 years for the technology to finally find its way into production cars (seemed to have disappeared during the 90's whilst Ferrari was developing its F1-transmission), though.
 
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See that gate on the left? The part that has the "-" at the top (where god intended it) indicating that if you bump the lever upward your car will downshift? That's a very important part of driving.

It has come to my attention that very few people know how to use this feature of their cars and, as a result, are not driving their cars properly.

Outside of using it for engine braking, I pretty much never touch the manual mode in my car ('08 Mazda6) anymore. There's simply no point.

Scenario

You're driving on the freeway and you're stuck behind a slow moving vehicle going 10 mph slower than the other lanes. You want to get out from around this vehicle. How do you do that properly in an automatic?

Signal, see gap, nail throttle, sorted. Pretty much the same moment my foot hits the floor the car has executed the downshift to 2nd or 3rd (depending on speed). If I'm not being my usual Jerkass self then slightly less throttle will result in only dropping to 3rd or 4th (again, speed-dependent) but with the same result.

Observe a break in traffic approaching you in the overtake lane. Before it arrives, move the stick from automatic mode into the manual mode and select a downshift.

Why? It's much slower to do that than just tap the gas.

This will cause your car to shift into a lower gear and give you power for overtaking.

So will hitting the throttle as you normally would in an automatic.

When the gap arrives, you are already in the proper gear and can simply accelerate into the merge. After you have completed merging, slide the lever back into automatic mode.

Already being in the proper gear means pretty much nothing when the vast majority of automatics will drop from top gear to as low as 2nd pretty much instantaneously.

How does this differ from what you're used to. What you're used to is using the throttle (a total different control) for modulating the transmission.

Yes, and?

As a result, you have to mash the throttle to the appropriate depth to try to force the transmission to downshift. When you do that, you not only have to wait for the transmission to shift (losing valuable seconds as the gap passes you by) but you also commit yourself to accelerating toward the vehicle in front of you until you merge.

Valuable seconds? The absolute worst-case scenario is an older automatic (mine included) designed in a way that means there is a slight (usually around one second) delay between the request for 1st gear and the transmission actually going through with it. This downshift will only happen at rather low speeds (generally under 20mph) and there is absolutely no avoiding how slowly it will happen. The rest of them, well... You're in the gear your throttle position asks for pretty much the exact moment you ask for it.

By selecting the gear ahead of time, you have significantly better control and don't have unintended consequences.

I certainly don't see it. I don't see how I'm "committed" to accelerating towards the vehicle in front of me (as I can obviously just let off), I don't see the time argument whatsoever (and in fact it could be argued you're "distracted" longer using the manual mode than not using it quite easily), I don't see any of it.

Scenario

You have to slow down for a turn, but you know you'll have to get on the gas hard after the turn. How do you do this properly in an automatic?

Choice 1: Hit throttle slightly before you want full throttle.
Choice 2: Manually select lowest possible gear for planned exit speed, proceed as you would in a manual.

The answer is that while you're braking you move the lever into manual mode and select a downshift (or two). That way when you're ready to accelerate the power is available for you. If you simply wait until you're ready to accelerate you will have a delay while the transmission tries to find the appropriate gear.

Delay of approximately a tenth of a second. Valuable on a race track but on the street it really isn't a huge deal.

The gear selection will be rougher

Considering automatics rev-matching manual downshifts is a very recent thing, it's really about the same.

you will back up traffic behind you (briefly)

lolwut?

you will waste fuel

lolwut?

and you may not get the gear you want if your right foot didn't find the right place in the throttle to convince the transmission to select the gear you wanted.

You said accelerate hard. Accelerate hard means an auto will find the lowest possible gear and use it. If you wanted anything else, you didn't want to accelerate "hard", you wanted brisk, and your throttle usage would reflect it.


Scenario

Your car is underpowered and you're going up a long hill. The transmission constantly wants to select a gear that is either too tall, or too short for the hill. As a result, you pop back and forth between 2nd and 3rd gear all the way up the hill. How do you handle this properly in an automatic?

The answer is to slide the lever into manual mode and hold gear 2 (the lower gear that the transmission was selecting). This eliminates needles shifts, inconsistent speed, is less irritating for drivers behind you, is smoother for your passengers, and gives you the power to accelerate more if you need to. Remember that this hill requires this gear and do it in advance next time you're on this hill. After you get up the hill, slide the lever back into automatic mode.

I've only had this happen with old-school transmissions with no separate manual mode, and have only had them hunt between overdrive and 3rd. Hit OD off or pop 3rd on the shifter depending on which setup it is, carry on. If you're going up a hill and the trans is continually hunting, you're 90% likely doing it wrong with the throttle.


The manual mode of your automatic is your friend. It is a tool. it is not something you need to use for every shift (it would be annoying and pointless to do so), but it is also not something to be forgotten. Develop the technique, and use it in your everyday driving. It should become second nature for you to realize that a given scenario is one of the few times automatic mode is not appropriate, and move naturally into manual mode.

As I said earlier, the only time mine sees any use is when I want to select a lower gear for engine braking. Oh, there's also the (rare) times when I want to use it to hold the shift off until just before the limiter instead of 500rpm before it.

Also, you do not need a manual mode like the one pictured above to make this happen. I have used this technique in a car much like this one:



The button on the side of the gear lever does not have to be pressed for you to slide it forward into D3 for a commanded downshift. There is a reason for this, and the reason is that you're expected to need to do so. When you're done passing, slide it back into D4. It's a simple forward or back motion, no button pressing or unlocking of the lever.

As mentioned, the button DOES need to be pressed to go to D3 from D4 but not from D3 to D4. Same goes for each selection lower than that. Also, you sorta slide it forward from D3 to D4, which is an upshift. It also doesn't prevent a further downshift (to, say, 2nd) if you nail the throttle... Unless it's a Ford, in which case manual 2nd is in fact manual 2nd at all speeds, there is no "D3" (and instead an "overdrive off" button, which makes drive act as D3 in something else would).
 
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Maybe we should take care not to let this become a duplicate of the "Save the Manuals!" thread, which is itself a duplicate of prior automatic vs manual threads. I mean, it's a neverending debate, but we've got dozens of self-contained, neverending threads here.
 
Oh jeez the "good ol'" 4L60E...I've driven several Commodores (road and track) with it and it pretty much defines the word "slushbox". I found it very refreshing when they finally chucked a 6-speed auto in the VE Commodore. Mind you it has nothing on the ZF 6-speed auto in the FG Falcons but still refreshing nonetheless.

Also I have good reason to believe you will have been quicker with the Tremec T56 because of said 4L60E. Modern autos are a lot better for road racing these days. That transmission though was a dog for it. Much better as a 1/4 mile king.

This isn't a stock 4L60E. Its a Perfomabuilt Stage 3 trans with a custom shift kit and tuning. It shifts VERY quickly for a 4L60E. I've since changed to a manual valve body and shifts are even crisper...
 
Maybe we should take care not to let this become a duplicate of the "Save the Manuals!" thread, which is itself a duplicate of prior automatic vs manual threads. I mean, it's a neverending debate, but we've got dozens of self-contained, neverending threads here.
I agree--we've had this argument a million times.

I like Danoff's post, though it almost seems tongue-in-cheek coming from him :lol:. Last year, I made the horrifying transition from having a MTX daily driver to an ATX. The vehicle I wanted--and it was perfect for everything that I wanted it to do--was not offered with a manual. My CX-5 has the 6-speed autobox with manu-matic mode. Never having had an automatic before, I did find that I had to "learn" how to drive an automatic, in order to be as smooth as before. The manual mode is perfect for many situations, and once you know where the shortfalls are in fully-auto mode, you can avoid those annoying "what gear do I want?" moments that seem to baffle automatic transmissions. :)
 
Tongue-in-cheek? Kind of like a dead pedal for your mouth, right?
 
Signal, see gap, nail throttle, sorted. Pretty much the same moment my foot hits the floor the car has executed the downshift to 2nd or 3rd (depending on speed).

It's sloppier. You lose time, you have less control. You can do it, but it's not as precise. This gets exaggerated significantly the less power you have and the fewer number of gears.

Why? It's much slower to do that than just tap the gas.

You pre-load it so that no time is lost when you're ready for it.

Already being in the proper gear means pretty much nothing when the vast majority of automatics will drop from top gear to as low as 2nd pretty much instantaneously.

That lag is annoying to anyone who wants their car to respond precisely the moment they command the car to do so - and the sloppiness of that control mechanism can cause unintended consequences which, at their very worst, are dangerous on the road.

Shift beforehand manually and you have no lag. The car does what you want when you want.

I certainly don't see it. I don't see how I'm "committed" to accelerating towards the vehicle in front of me (as I can obviously just let off)

Yes you can stop accelerating, but you have committed to accelerating. Not having to accelerate to change gears separates two controls of the car that should be separated. Want to downshift in an automatic? You must accelerate.... unless you use the manual mode.


Choice 1: Hit throttle slightly before you want full throttle.

Dangerous. What if you guess wrong? What if your transmission responds slower or faster than you expect? You don't need to deal with those variables if you do it yourself beforehand.

Obviously if you don't care how fast you're going, by all means, let the transmission do it. But if you care - as has happened to me many times, doing it yourself works significantly better.

Considering automatics rev-matching manual downshifts is a very recent thing, it's really about the same.

Even automatics can create clunky shifts when you want to go to 2nd gear at high RPM instead of selecting 2nd gear with your engine at idle while you're braking.



Having been in that situation many times I can tell you it's real. My commute used to have a 90 degree turn to a steep uphill onramp which merged at the top at 70-80 mph. People would negotiate the turn with their foot on the brake, and after coming out the the turn they'd mash the gas, wait a second while the transmission performs this action, and then accelerate. Meanwhile the guy behind them did the same thing, but he waited for their car to take off before he mashed the gas, another second or two. The guy behind him does the same thing, another second or two. For a busy street, this created a line of cars.

By selecting the gear ahead of time I would often pass one or two people going up the hill.


You're behind a semi-truck going 20 mph slower than the rest of traffic. You want to downshift 2 gears to pass. You probably need 80% throttle to get the transmission to drop 2 gears. Once you've dropped 2 gears, you may need 30% throttle to pass. If you do this with the manual mode, you go from 5% throttle sitting behind the truck to 30% throttle to pass. No mashing to 80% to get the gear shift. Small gas savings, but it exists.


I've only had this happen with old-school transmissions with no separate manual mode, and have only had them hunt between overdrive and 3rd. Hit OD off or pop 3rd on the shifter depending on which setup it is, carry on. If you're going up a hill and the trans is continually hunting, you're 90% likely doing it wrong with the throttle.

My car on my commute simply would not hold gear on one particular uphill portion. It didn't matter what I did with the throttle. The car would accelerate in 2nd. If I held the throttle where it was or eased off, it would go to 3rd. If I pushed harder I'd stay in 2nd but at that point I'd be speeding in a residential zone. In 3rd gear, the car was too under powered to maintain speed almost regardless of any throttle setting that was low enough to keep the transmission from going to 2nd.

This happened to me each and every day I drove home from work. Manual mode fixed it.

As mentioned, the button DOES need to be pressed to go to D3 from D4 but not from D3 to D4.

Not for the 2001 honda accord (and I suspect many other cars). I could slide from D4 straight to D3 without taking the safety off. Same for sliding from D3 to D4.
 
Not for the 2001 honda accord (and I suspect many other cars). I could slide from D4 straight to D3 without taking the safety off. Same for sliding from D3 to D4.

Then my money is on something being broken. Manufactures make it so the button to has to be pushed to prevent inadvertent downshifting by bumping the shift lever.... been this way for YEARS
 
Then my money is on something being broken. Manufactures make it so the button to has to be pushed to prevent inadvertent downshifting by bumping the shift lever.... been this way for YEARS

3rd gear was intentionally unlocked. 2nd gear was locked.
 
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