Lemons 100 miles 2: Saturday at 10:30PM Eastern

[Jujubean]

What days are you off?

Right now Wednesdays and maybe Thursdays. I am trying to get a new job though, which would allow me to have more evenings off. If we plan on Wednesdays at 10:30 though, I should be fine.

 

[Imari]

That was an awesome race.

Waboo and WiiFreak dashed out ahead quickly, leaving me and Stormtrooper to battle it out for 3rd and 4th for a few laps. Eventually I proved victorious, and started chasing down the leaders. We were very evenly matched for about ten laps, I got them as close as 3 seconds and as far as 6, but could never quite get close enough to draft. Then they found a burst of speed and pulled away to more than ten seconds ahead, and I settled down to just finish the race.

However, in the second half of the race, with a bit of help from traffic I began to slowly catch WiiFreak. While you don't get splits to the person directly in front of you, I found you can judge it pretty well by the opacity of their nameplate. Once I got into the draft we had a good battle for a few laps and I eventually got a clean run down the back straight to pass. I thought I'd be defending like crazy for the rest of the race, but WiiFreak either backed off or had some issue and I didn't see much of him again.

It must have been about now that Waboo had his incident, because his lead of 10 seconds was suddenly greatly shortened. I gradually reeled him in, and again some great manoeuvering took place. The MR2 was quick, put it looked like a real handful to push through the corners compared to the extremely stable G20. The battle went right down to the final lap with me just managing to stay ahead at the line.

Great race to all involved, including the lapped traffic who very kindly moved out of the way for me. Thanks.👍

I really enjoyed it, I'm looking forward to racing you guys again!

 

[The Bman]

Right now Wednesdays and maybe Thursdays. I am trying to get a new job though, which would allow me to have more evenings off. If we plan on Wednesdays at 10:30 though, I should be fine.

For me that would work. If more than 16 people sign up for the series, then would you like to run a 50 mile, 98hp "Group B" league?

 

[Jujubean]

For me that would work. If more than 16 people sign up for the series, then would you like to run a 50 mile, 98hp "Group B" league?

whew, 98 hp... that really limits things. It could be interesting though. I imagine it would be lots of K cars.

If we do a championship, do we want to keep the new car for every event rule? I think we should, in order to mix things up, and prevent one person from just finding a rabbit, leaving the rest of us in the wake for the rest of the season.

I think it would be a lot of fun though

 

[The Bman]

whew, 98 hp... that really limits things. It could be interesting though. I imagine it would be lots of K cars.

If we do a championship, do we want to keep the new car for every event rule? I think we should, in order to mix things up, and prevent one person from just finding a rabbit, leaving the rest of us in the wake for the rest of the season.

I think it would be a lot of fun though

That rule will indeed apply. Maybe a 12k limit for that? I don't know, but I guarantee there will be a Lemons championship.

 

[Imari]

There's plenty of other interesting restrictions to add too, other than just money and power. Weight is an obvious one, make everyone weigh more than 1500kg or something. Age maybe? A pre-90s cars only race might be cool. Length? That'd be a weird one, get everyone going and looking for long or short cars. Engine size? Number of cylinders? There's all sorts of things. You might need to relax the spending budgets along with some of those restrictions in order to get a decent amount of choice, but it's an option.

If you want to encourage more diverse fields, you could also consider allowing any remainder of the budget from buying the car to be spent tuning it. As long as there's a power cap it can't get too out of hand, and it brings a lot of the older/crappier cars into play as possibilities.

I don't know if you want to keep the rules the same week to week or have them constantly changing, but those are my those are some suggestions if you wanted.

 

[The Bman]

I think that I'll allow the remaining money to be spent tuning and GT Auto'ing their car. It allows people to add to their car while keeping things balanced.

 

[Jujubean]

what about trying to 'downgrade' you car?

For example, I have this early 90s Impreza that I really want to use in the beginner rally event, because I already have the tires for everything, but it started with around 270 hp. I have been grinding the HP down (long races, no oil change or engine rebuild). It is down to 252 now (just 6 more to go...).

Theoretically someone could buy a car below $15k with a bit over 150HP, and grind it down to below 150HP. Would this be allowed (or would there be a way to check)?

 

[Imari]

what about trying to 'downgrade' you car?

For example, I have this early 90s Impreza that I really want to use in the beginner rally event, because I already have the tires for everything, but it started with around 270 hp. I have been grinding the HP down (long races, no oil change or engine rebuild). It is down to 252 now (just 6 more to go...).

Theoretically someone could buy a car below $15k with a bit over 150HP, and grind it down to below 150HP. Would this be allowed (or would there be a way to check)?

That's a really cunning idea...

How low do they go? I feel a B-Spec 9 hours of Tsukuba coming on.

 

[Jujubean]

That's a really cunning idea...

How low do they go? I feel a B-Spec 9 hours of Tsukuba coming on.

I'm not sure. I need to run the Grand Valley Endurance a few more times to see how much lower I can get it. I am pretty sure I will be able to get it down to 246, but I wonder if there is a lower limit. In reality, my engine would just seize up or throw a rod or something, but it seems as though PD's damage modeling isn't that detailed.

 

[The Bman]

Well, I'm not sure about downgrading. People would have to give me their car, but I keep fearing I'll forget about them and I would have scammed them, so that's a no.

 

[Jujubean]

That sounds good. If it is possible to downgrade a car indefinitely, we might find ourselves racing a bunch of FGTs lowered to 150HP, haha. That might violate the price point though. In any case I like the idea of buying a car, slapping a new pair of tires on it, and hitting the track, with little or no testing. On the one hand, it is a test of driver adaptability, but mostly it is just fun to see what you get.

 

[Imari]

There's a power restriction on the race though, no? If the car makes it in it's legal pretty much by definition, isn't it? I don't see why you'd need to make any special rules for people downgrading (assuming it's possible to do it on a scale that makes it actually worthwhile). You've still got to find the car for cheap enough, and then put work into making the thing WORSE.

 

[WiiFreak]

However, in the second half of the race, with a bit of help from traffic I began to slowly catch WiiFreak. While you don't get splits to the person directly in front of you, I found you can judge it pretty well by the opacity of their nameplate. Once I got into the draft we had a good battle for a few laps and I eventually got a clean run down the back straight to pass. I thought I'd be defending like crazy for the rest of the race, but WiiFreak either backed off or had some issue and I didn't see much of him again.

I was actually running consistent laps the entire time, you simply out-paced me there 👍 I may have been able to catch you two as you battled for the lead in the final few laps had I not accidentally ran my car into the wall on lap 35 damaging it so it kept veering left, dropping my lap times to about a second slower per lap. Still though it was a really fun, competitive, and clean race and I'm looking forward to more of these

 

[ampire]

Was fun for the 20 minutes I was on before I disconnected. The white Civic SIR (NamikazeNaru) I had was pretty decent, I think I got 2nd-3rd best lap times during the free run period. I'll be up for more racing next time you guys do it, hopefully my internet will be more consistent.

 

[Motor City Hami]

What cars did everyone race last night?