lets solve this tire problem together

[JDMKING13]

i Have been doing some hard tire research and i got about 95% of all the OEM tires for the cars in GTP. I also got info on all the performance tires i could find. I also called Tirerack and they help me with some good info as well. Before i post all the OEM tires for the cars in GTP, lets see if we could come up with the best solution as a group to fix this tire problem. i will list three cars.

Mitsubishi Evo (06) IX Yokohoma Advan A046

Ferrari F430 (06) Michelin Pilot Sport PS2

Nissan Fairlady (07) Bridgestone Potenza RE050A

With those three tires in mind i would like know what everyone would grade them and why. Thanks

 

[niky]

PS2s are N3
RE050As are N3
A048s are N3-S1... depending on how sticky current N3 tires are... A048s cost a bundle when new... not really sure how well they compare to the current UHP tires like the RE070As or the AD07s.

 

[JDMKING13]

PS2s are N3
RE050As are N3
A048s are N3-S1... depending on how sticky current N3 tires are... A048s cost a bundle when new... not really sure how well they compare to the current UHP tires like the RE070As or the AD07s.

Ok Nice ratings. The NSX-R comes With RE070s this is a an Extreme performance Tire, just to list more tires in this catorgorey so everyone could get a ideal,

BFGoodrich

g-Force T/A KD

g-Force T/A KD SSS

Bridgestone

Potenza RE-01R

Potenza RE070

Potenza RE070R RFT

Dunlop

Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec

Hankook

Ventus R-S2

Kumho

Ecsta MX

Ecsta MX XRP

Ecsta XS

Yokohama

ADVAN Neova AD07


i Got some of these tires as S2 tires. IMO these tires are just under semi Slicks. I rate semi slicks as S3, EX Toyo Proxes R888. I would love to hear everyone opinion on this.

 

[Exorcet]

I'm most familiar with Michelin's, Pierreli's and to a lesser extent, Goodyears.

PS2 is N3 for sure with Pilot Sport Cups being S1, but no car in the game comes with them.

Pierrili PZero (I thought the F430 comes with them) would also be N3, with PZero Corsa's as S1 (option on F430).

 

[balang_479]

RE070s are not extreme... they came standard on STis and are wet tires and have a high treadwear grade.

none of the tires that you mentioned are extreme high performance.

Any S tyres will be A046 or A050, Toyo R888, Avon Tech R, Pilot sport CUP, Nitto NT, PZero CORSA, and maybe RE01R, Proxes and Dunlop Star Spec....

And then the S1 and S3s depend purely on compound.

But RE01R and stuff cant get to S3s because they arent offered at such a low treadwear rating like A046s and stuff...


And i would like to see tread actually change from N to Ss and Rs there should be any.... The ability to color the writings as well would be cool.
I also think that Full slicks should be undrivable in wet conditions unlike GT4. Even Semi-slicks would be hard... the best would be normal tires are they dont need to get up to temperature to work like R-compound DOT tires...
At least we would have to change tires if it rains hard and were running S3s or something....

This whole tire mess would be sorted if they simply modelled real tires and models and use their tread wear rating and size to give grip levels... wouldnt need to go massively into physics for each tire... then the amount of tread on the tire would affect their grip levels in wet conditions...

 

[JDMKING13]

RE070s are not extreme... they came standard on STis and are wet tires and have a high treadwear grade.

none of the tires that you mentioned are extreme high performance.

Any S tyres will be A046 or A050, Toyo R888, Avon Tech R, Pilot sport CUP, Nitto NT, PZero CORSA, and maybe RE01R, Proxes and Dunlop Star Spec....

And then the S1 and S3s depend purely on compound.

But RE01R and stuff cant get to S3s because they arent offered at such a low treadwear rating like A046s and stuff...


And i would like to see tread actually change from N to Ss and Rs there should be any.... The ability to color the writings as well would be cool.
I also think that Full slicks should be undrivable in wet conditions unlike GT4. Even Semi-slicks would be hard... the best would be normal tires are they dont need to get up to temperature to work like R-compound DOT tires...
At least we would have to change tires if it rains hard and were running S3s or something....

This whole tire mess would be sorted if they simply modelled real tires and models and use their tread wear rating and size to give grip levels... wouldnt need to go massively into physics for each tire... then the amount of tread on the tire would affect their grip levels in wet conditions...

I understand what your syaing but I got this info from tire rack im not saying they are or not, i was listing the tires they had labeled Extreme tires. Let me list some tires with the ratings i would give them.

Bridgestone Potenza RE070 S1 (NSX-R)

Yokohama ADVAN A046 S1 (Evo IX)

Bridgestone Potenza RE050A N3 (Nissan Fairlady Z) (lexus IS-F)

BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD S2

Yokohama ADVAN A048 S3

Toyo R888 S3

These are just a few to list, dont get me wrong im not saying these are 100%correct, but this is what i came up with. I would like to see everyone rating on these tires so we could work out the best rating thanks.

 

[Ghost_drift]

The only Tyre I can comment on is the Toyo R888, I used to have a set on the FD. I would say they are more like S2's.

 

[JDMKING13]

The only Tyre I can comment on is the Toyo R888, I used to have a set on the FD. I would say they are more like S2's.

This was from an previous post from santiago87 "I just fitted my '71 Renault R8 with R888 semi-slicks and they do feel somewhere between S3 and R1. So I think that S1 and S2 are vey accurate for the sport cars or even aftermarket high performance tires"

Are these the same tires you guys are talking about? I am no tire Expert but i have looked up tons on information on tires. I saw A picture of TOYO R888 and they look like Semi Slick. Like i said this thread was created so we could work together and figure out a tire solution. Who knows GT5 might still have the N1 to R3 tire selection, but if they do when the game comes out we will be prepared. If we can constructed some type of tire system everyone will a base understand. like i said i have got 95% of the cars in GTP OEM tires, but before i post them i wanted to get people form the community perspective with tires and how you guys would rate them. Thanks for any info

 

[Exorcet]

I can believe someone when they say the S tires feel more realistic, but they don't perform realistically, that's the problem. All tires do in game (from a lateral cornering perspective) is decide the maximum g, and that's about 110%-200% of the real lateral g values when using S tires.

I've only driven on street tires and (on limited occasion) full racing slicks, S tires in game feel sort of like the slicks do up to the point where they loose traction because the game tires are much harder to reign in. Though the slick car I drove in real life was much lighter than anything in game (432 lbs, 70 hp)

 

[JDMKING13]

Lets compare two cars Mazda RX-8 Type S, and a Nissan GT-R V-spec ll Nur '02. Dont mention anything about tire brand, what im asking is In stock form what tires would you give these two cars. I have both cars OEM tire brand, however I would like to read everybodys opinion thank 👍.


Mazda RX-8 Type S '03

Nissan GT-R V-spec ll Nur '02

 

[Exorcet]

You ask from the in game perspective?

I'd put the RX-8 on N2's or 3's, I think you could justify either one. The RX pulls around .9-.95 g which is mid ground between the two tire classes, and since the cars suspension etc has no effect on lateral grip, the in game g numbers are probably the only things you would be able to go by.

The GT-R is N3, it'll pull about 1 g.

 

[JDMKING13]

You ask from the in game perspective?

I'd put the RX-8 on N2's or 3's, I think you could justify either one. The RX pulls around .9-.95 g which is mid ground between the two tire classes, and since the cars suspension etc has no effect on lateral grip, the in game g numbers are probably the only things you would be able to go by.

The GT-R is N3, it'll pull about 1 g.

Ok very understandable both cars come with Brdgestone RE040. I got this Tire as a N2 rating. So even though i got this tire as a N2 tire and it comes Stock with the GTR should the GTR come with N2 or N3

 

[seinfeld]

i Have been doing some hard tire research and i got about 95% of all the OEM tires for the cars in GTP. I also got info on all the performance tires i could find. I also called Tirerack and they help me with some good info as well. Before i post all the OEM tires for the cars in GTP, lets see if we could come up with the best solution as a group to fix this tire problem. i will list three cars.

Mitsubishi Evo (06) IX Yokohama Advan A046

Ferrari F430 (06) Michelin Pilot Sport PS2

Nissan Fairlady (07) Bridgestone Potenza RE050A

With those three tires in mind i would like know what everyone would grade them and why. Thanks

the a046 I would rate as N2, the best Yokohama or Advan street radial you can buy is called the
Advan Neova AD07 a frigging awesome STREET LEGAL radial that is N3
for S1-3 would be the Advan A048 a semi slick in 3 compounds, S,M,H
and then Slicks R1,2,3
so the A046 is still a street radial and not as good as the neova ADo7 so I would rate the ao46 to be N2, and N1 would be granny tires off your civic SRi

for Bridgestone I would rate the following
for the best street legal radial which I would rate as N3 is called the RE01R and now a new version called the RE11R
the RE050A or the RE01 (not the R version that the R34 skyline came with) is N2, and then granny tires N1
the S1,2,3 would be the RE55 or RE11S tires a semi slick, and then the racing slicks R1,2,3

for Michelin the sport PS2 is the N2, the pilot sport cup would be N3 porche GT3's etc used to have these not sure about now, I hear continental have been supplying them, they completely ruined the carrera GT that needed sport cup from Michelin at a bare minimum, a note Ferrari never used Michelin tires in their production cars, they have always used Bridgestone, and they also use the RE050A (which is a terrible choice IMO they should have the RE01 or the RE01-R)

 

[mu22stang]

I can believe someone when they say the S tires feel more realistic, but they don't perform realistically, that's the problem. All tires do in game (from a lateral cornering perspective) is decide the maximum g, and that's about 110%-200% of the real lateral g values when using S tires.

= truth. In addition, the lateral grip provided by PD tires is pretty good, but longitudinal grip leaves a little to be desired. It's as if the grip circle is actually a grip ellipse.

I'd put the RX-8 on N2's or 3's, I think you could justify either one. The RX pulls around .9-.95 g which is mid ground between the two tire classes, and since the cars suspension etc has no effect on lateral grip, the in game g numbers are probably the only things you would be able to go by.

The GT-R is N3, it'll pull about 1 g.

I agree as well. The comparison of each specific tire with PD short rating system is unending, and doesn't really seem to work. Plus, the difference in grip between each series, Ns to Ss for example, aren't linear with the differences in grip within each series, N1 to N3 for example.

 

[Exorcet]

the a046 I would rate as N2, the best Yokohama

for Michelin the sport PS2 is the N2, the pilot sport cup would be N3 porche GT3's etc used to have these not sure about now, I hear continental have been supplying them, they completely ruined the carrera GT that needed sport cup from Michelin at a bare minimum, a note Ferrari never used Michelin tires in their production cars, they have always used Bridgestone, and they also use the RE050A (which is a terrible choice IMO they should have the RE01 or the RE01-R)

PS2's are pretty grippy. The Viper gets over 1g with them, same for the Carrera GT, N3 is the only tire with ~1g grip. Pilot Sport Cup is R compound, I think S1 would be a better choice, though it is debatable since N3's undercut the grip and S1 overshoot it.

However, I do want to point out that I think the focus of this thread, given GT's tire simulation, should be assigning cars to tires, not [game]tires to [actual]tires. Say you equipped a Diahatsu with Pilot Sport Cups. It probably wouldn't be able to reach 1 g on a skidpad. The Viper ACR pulls 1.1. So even if general consensus was that Pilot Cup=S1 tire, the Diahatsu would still require N2's or N3's to simulate it's smaller wheels, taller body, softer suspension, and weaker brakes. So even cars with the same tires in real life may need different game tires to be simulated properly.

 

[JDMKING13]

PS2's are pretty grippy. The Viper gets over 1g with them, same for the Carrera GT, N3 is the only tire with ~1g grip. Pilot Sport Cup is R compound, I think S1 would be a better choice, though it is debatable since N3's undercut the grip and S1 overshoot it.

However, I do want to point out that I think the focus of this thread, given GT's tire simulation, should be assigning cars to tires, not [game]tires to [actual]tires. Say you equipped a Diahatsu with Pilot Sport Cups. It probably wouldn't be able to reach 1 g on a skidpad. The Viper ACR pulls 1.1. So even if general consensus was that Pilot Cup=S1 tire, the Diahatsu would still require N2's or N3's to simulate it's smaller wheels, taller body, softer suspension, and weaker brakes. So even cars with the same tires in real life may need different game tires to be simulated properly.

Thank you thats what i was trying to understand. Does anyone else feel the same way. I hope GT5 have the correct stock tire selection If not we could make our own reference tire page. Thanks for the great input Exorcet

 

[niky]

AD07s? My car can pull well over 1g (1.07 - 1.1 g via V-Box) with Neovas... but that's likely a combination of tires and suspension. I'd rate them as between N3 and S1... or even S1 when properly "shaved"... some people use AD07s in competition... shaved down to 2/32", they're enormously grippy, almost, but not quite, as good as R-comp street legals...

This new generation of street-legal R-Comps is wild... I'm thinking of getting the Federal 595RS (same price as the Neova, but full R-comp) and giving them a spin as soon as my second set of wheels is fixed.

 

[wnffe]

However, I do want to point out that I think the focus of this thread, given GT's tire simulation, should be assigning cars to tires, not [game]tires to [actual]tires. Say you equipped a Diahatsu with Pilot Sport Cups. It probably wouldn't be able to reach 1 g on a skidpad. The Viper ACR pulls 1.1. So even if general consensus was that Pilot Cup=S1 tire, the Diahatsu would still require N2's or N3's to simulate it's smaller wheels, taller body, softer suspension, and weaker brakes. So even cars with the same tires in real life may need different game tires to be simulated properly.

I might agree on this..even given the same weight & tires, obviously the daihatsu will not pull the same g's with the viper on the skid pad.

I think it seems like PD does not consider the wheel size and its width. Cars like Ford GT or Ferrari F40 could not be on N3 given by this rating solution. I have never driven such powerful cars in my life but if it feels like N3, man these cars are really death traps!!

Personally I prefer S1/S1 front and rear for supercars. But I don't have any methodology or enough experience on these cars to prove this.

Given the fact that width/ size factors above might not be considered...and these cars have skinny tires at the front and really fat with bigger ones at the rear, would it match reasonable g's by fitting N3 front/ S1 rear?

 

[Exorcet]

Given the fact that width/ size factors above might not be considered...and these cars have skinny tires at the front and really fat with bigger ones at the rear, would it match reasonable g's by fitting N3 front/ S1 rear?

No, the reason for big rear tires and small fronts is the weight distribution of the car. Since mid engine and Front-Mid engine cars are rear heavy, the back half requires more force to swing around a turn than the front, thus larger tires. Every car should have the same tire types front and back, even if size is different.

And speaking of S1's, I will agree that their longitudinal grip is more appropriate for supercars. You said N3's made supercars feel like death traps because of how little gas it takes to spin them, I'm assuming. S1's don't lose grip as easily, but pull too much g in corners. The ideal tire may just be S's with N's latitudinal grip.

 

[JDMKING13]

If anyone gets a chance watch Tsuchiya rip the F430 let me know what you think go to youtube ferrari 430 in circuit touge

 

[mu22stang]

If anyone gets a chance watch Tsuchiya rip the F430 let me know what you think go to youtube ferrari 430 in circuit touge

This may be your thread, but this has nothing to do with the thread's original intent.

 

[JDMKING13]

This may be your thread, but this has nothing to do with the thread's original intent.

I was saying that so people could see how raw the F430 handles in race mode, so folks could compare it to their own driving In GT5P. I thought that the F430 should be fitted with N3/S1. i wanted people to watch it to get their feed back on the handling

 

[JDMKING13]

PS2's are pretty grippy. The Viper gets over 1g with them, same for the Carrera GT, N3 is the only tire with ~1g grip. Pilot Sport Cup is R compound, I think S1 would be a better choice, though it is debatable since N3's undercut the grip and S1 overshoot it.

However, I do want to point out that I think the focus of this thread, given GT's tire simulation, should be assigning cars to tires, not [game]tires to [actual]tires. Say you equipped a Diahatsu with Pilot Sport Cups. It probably wouldn't be able to reach 1 g on a skidpad. The Viper ACR pulls 1.1. So even if general consensus was that Pilot Cup=S1 tire, the Diahatsu would still require N2's or N3's to simulate it's smaller wheels, taller body, softer suspension, and weaker brakes. So even cars with the same tires in real life may need different game tires to be simulated properly.

I do like your thinking, but i think PD needs to FIX this asap! The way you are thinking is a way great way to counter this problem. This is my problem though, if i drive a Diahatsu and upgrade my tires to Pilot Sport Cups i want to be able to equipped my Diahatsu to Sport tires(S1-S3). Is it our fault that S tires give wrong calculations with G's. I feel that PD need to work out a better soulution for the Lat/lon G. Sometimes I think to myself shouldnt these correct G's be included in the physics. Dont get me wrong im not a gamming genius, but i feel strongly that PD could easly correct the tire uncertaintes with better calculations.

 

[blkvzgo]

Sometimes I think it would've been best to have a system similar to Forza's - normal, sport, racing tyres, as I recall, but with different kinds of racing tyres. I guess it would look like this - N, S, RH, RM, RS.