Lets talk about real motors

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Well I've noticed a lot has sprung up recently about motors in here, well I'd like to show you what I think are real motors that come with enough power from the crate to dust any thing.

Lets start with a traditional 454 Big Block from General Motors
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This 454 offers 425 hp and 500 lb. ft. right from the crate. Damn would I love to drop one of those in my truck.


Next this is a 502 Ram Jet Big Block. Very nice motor I'd say so
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This 502 has 502 horsepower at 5100 rpm and 565 ft-lbs of torque at 3200 rpm. Even better is the torque curve with over 500 lb. of torque from 2200 to 5200 rpm. Looks like I could manage this motor on a road course.


These are what I call true motors, my little 286 doesn't even match the ground shaking power these bad boys put out. Then when I think about it why would I really want a 2.0L 500hp motor that runs the torque at 7000rpm when I could get the same from a 502 and run it at 4000rpm, it would work everything a lot less.

I'm also not just shunning other great motors, 350, 383, and so on. But hell give me a Big Block anyday!
 
Joey, you're right, up to a point.

What does one of those things weigh?

There is a balance in there somewhere.

Also, take into account that each of those motors were at or below 1 HP/Cu. in.
Most of the little four bangers are making 100hp/liter.
That's like 1.75 HP per cubic inch.

The little motors are, the wave of the present/future.
Hell, the SVT Focus is putting down 180HP out of 2.2L.
That is motoring efficiency if you ask me.

*edit* Please don't take that to mean I don't still have a very warm spot in my heart for V-8's of all displacements.:D*edit*
 
But I can't wow guys at car shows or even at the drag stip by saying that I have a 2.2L or a 1.6L. But if I said look at my 454 or 350 they'd ooouuu and ahhh over it.

I grew up in Michigan and I've been around people who say "No replacement for displacement" I guess you gotta be from the home of the big motors to under stand why they are liked.

Plus I'd like low, rumbly, heavy motor, putting out gut twisting torque, over a high, whinny, light weight motor. Like I said the Blazer's 286 still isn't big by any means, I'd like to change that some day. But hey we all have dreams.
 
You're preachin' to the choir. I had two big-block Fords hanging around the house as a kid.
My "playtoy" was my dad's Country Squire Wagon powered by a 429 Super Cobra Jet. My daily driver was a 1962 T-Bird with a 390 in it. God, I miss that car!!

I'm just saying that volumetric efficiency goes to the midget motors.
The big motors make the music!!
 
Ya I know where your coming from, when I was little, really little like 3 or 4 my dad had a 1977 Chevy C/K pickup with a transplanted 454 in it. That thing would scream if I could remember that far back. I'll look through old pics to find it.

I see where your going with the efficiency on the motors and I know your a big motor guy. But live in Detroit and go to the track, it's hell to show up with anything less then a muscle motor. Well an exception would be a GN with the turboed 6. When I had the little rockets way back when they were laughed at on the track. Other places I'm sure its different but Detroit has a different out look on things I guess.
 
Hey, you cant forget the crate engines from Mopar. The biggest over the counter HEMI engine from Mopar is the 528 CID 8.6 liter engine which creats over 500hp on single four-barrel carburetion. "It takes a Mopar to catch a Mopar".

Though I am a lover of all cars, I like Mopar the most...

[EDIT] Though I do own a somewhat small discplacement engine, I like bigger displacement engines better. I dont mind smaller ones though. Just love the nice rumble you get from a V8...
 
Well ya I just didn't want clutter the site up with a ton of pictures. But yes there are some serious motors from Mopar and Ford Racing. Hell the 5.0 Mustang motor is a great motor out there. Now that would be cool to put in a focus, ala old Pinto style.
 
As for big motors making the Music
Listen to Bruce Springsteen's "Racing in the Street"
Listen to Beach Boys "L'il Duece Coupe" and "Fun, Fun, Fun"
Foriegner's "Rev on the Redline"
And the ultimate "music", the Big block recorded at the end of Billy Joel's "Movin' out"
 
Anyone who says you need a big engine for exhaust music hasn't heard a 2.4l flat-six 911. Or a 2l inline-5 that was fitted to a number of Audis and VWs. Or the 1.5, 2, 2.5 and 3l V12s that Ferrari used to make back in the day. I'm telling you, the shriek of a Ferrari 125 will make your hair stand on end.
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
Anyone who says you need a big engine for exhaust music hasn't heard a 2.4l flat-six 911. Or a 2l inline-5 that was fitted to a number of Audis and VWs. Or the 1.5, 2, 2.5 and 3l V12s that Ferrari used to make back in the day. I'm telling you, the shriek of a Ferrari 125 will make your hair stand on end.
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I have heard a few of those, but they just dont have the sound we are looking for. This is about BIG engines. Im not saying those are bad or anything, and yeah they sound beautiful, but there is nothing like a big block...
 
But that's a shriek. Where's the rumble?

Shrieking is fine. F1 races sound like a swarm of mosquitoes. But nothing will turn heads like the sound ofa big fat V8.
 
You know guys... whether you like the big block rumble (and I do) or a high rpm shriek or a high-pressure turbo BOV between shifts... it all comes down to mxing up a lot of fuel into a lot of air, and blowing the sh%t up and making a lot of noise.

What's a big block motor? A block of metal with big holes in it for lots of air and fuel, that blows up slow.

What's a high reving, high tech small motor? A block of metal with little holes in it that blows up small amounts of air and fuel, but blows it up fast.

What's a turbo motor? A block of metal with little holes in it that gets completely stuffed with more air and fuel in it than it can normally and blows up real good and hot.

In the end, each configuration is just a different way to solve the same problem. Every part of the world will have its own ways of doing it, based on regional and cultural values and needs. Each method has strengths and weaknesses.. There's no better or worse, as long as you get the results you're looking for.


///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by ///M-Spec
You know guys... whether you like the big block rumble (and I do) or a high rpm shriek or a high-pressure turbo BOV between shifts... it all comes down to mxing up a lot of fuel into a lot of air, and blowing the sh%t up and making a lot of noise.

What's a big block motor? A block of metal with big holes in it for lots of air and fuel, that blows up slow.

What's a high reving, high tech small motor? A block of metal with little holes in it that blows up small amounts of air and fuel, but blows it up fast.

What's a turbo motor? A block of metal with little holes in it that gets completely stuffed with more air and fuel in it than it can normally and blows up real good and hot.

In the end, each configuration is just a different way to solve the same problem. Every part of the world will have its own ways of doing it, based on regional and cultural values and needs. Each method has strengths and weaknesses.. There's no better or worse, as long as you get the results you're looking for.


///M-Spec
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I agree, tough I OF COURSE will always defend the big blocks! im a hot rodder, so if you ask me a 800ci+ HEMI on nitrous will solve every problem with me (: but indeed I will admire the capacity of an inline six or a V5, or even the old VW V4 motor that can go as 9s as my 800ci hemi. in the end, EVERY engine can be a danged gient if done up right. I can get the same performance out of a VW bug that I can get out of a barracuda. how? why? its just the tune up. its all that. some engines prone to erformance, some not, but everyone of them share the same breathe-burn-run principle, so every engine can really be a "real" engine. I have learned a lot of that lately... or how do you explain then, a 50 year old ford flathead motor doing 500+ horsepower and runnin 200+ mph at the salt? of course there are engines that are more efficient that another, witnesss the s2000, the absolute king of power, and of revs. then again look at the 5500 rpm redline of the big viper. each one is a marvelous engine in its own right and get the job done. just pick.

Cano

I will have a shotgun ford HEMI please :drool:
 
Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
Then when I think about it why would I really want a 2.0L 500hp motor that runs the torque at 7000rpm when I could get the same from a 502 and run it at 4000rpm, it would work everything a lot less.
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Just by looking at TS1AWD's 1/4mile time it looks like he is making somewhere in the neighborhood of 400lbft of torque...... i guarantee you that that motor is making its max torque between 3200rpm-4000rpm..... Not all fourbangers are high revving high strung motors like Honda's.


Originally posted by TS1AWD*throws up on keyboard*[/B]
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Thank you.......... I'd rather hear a crisp BOV anyday than that stupid lumpy crap.
 
yeah tofu.....Turbocharged 4 cyl's usually arn't...that's a pretty basic assumption.
90% of N/a 4 bangers rely on revs, turbocharged ones don't, because THEY'RE TURBOCHARGED. Just wanna throw in some gnaw-ledge for yas
 
Ummmmm I'm failing to see the point behind your post. I pointed out that not all 4 bangers are super high reving motors. You pointed out that that is a good assumption. And yes it is turbocharged. Im dont think I ever stated it wasnt. So I'm failing to see what "gnaw-ledge" I was supposed to gain from your utter stupidity. And come to think of it..... the 7,000rpm redline of the aforementioned turbocharged 2.0liter is pretty high revving. I was stating that not all motors make peak torque at the end of their powerband.
 
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Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
Then when I think about it why would I really want a 2.0L 500hp motor that runs the torque at 7000rpm when I could get the same from a 502 and run it at 4000rpm, it would work everything a lot less.

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I'm alittle bit unfamiar with these super huge motor's....... What the redline on that 502? 4,300rpm?
 
Originally posted by Tofu4G63
Ummmmm I'm failing to see the point behind your post. I pointed out that not all 4 bangers are super high reving motors. You pointed out that that is a good assumption. And yes it is turbocharged. Im dont think I ever stated it wasnt. So I'm failing to see what "gnaw-ledge" I was supposed to gain from your utter stupidity. And come to think of it..... the 7,000rpm redline of the aforementioned turbocharged 2.0liter is pretty high revving. I was stating that not all motors make peak torque at the end of their powerband.
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There are two ****-for-brains' who have posted in this thread. You are one of them. This thread is trying to be openminded and explore the pro's and con's of various ways of going fast. Then idiots like you come along and spew some ridiculous import bias based on nothing but your own shared stupidity and closedmindedness. Why don't you just shut up and go away?
 
Originally posted by milefile
There are two ****-for-brains' who have posted in this thread. You are one of them. This thread is trying to be openminded and explore the pro's and con's of various ways of going fast. Then idiots like you come along and spew some ridiculous import bias based on nothing but your own shared stupidity and closedmindedness. Why don't you just shut up and go away?
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So when someone starts talking about Imports is closedmindedness? But for all the folk who talk about Domestic's its just their opinion? Hmmm I'm closed minded. And because it's import bias its stupity? LOL ooook And how about nah..... I think i like it here.
 
Ok ok ok....I made this thread to talk about what I thought real motors were. The big blocks! Please don't get your knickers all in a twist over it.

Me personally I'm a bigger the better guy and live by the No Replacement for Displacement rule.
 
502's redline around 6000 if I'm not mistaken. There not horriably high revvin
 
Originally posted by Shinez0nceAgain
yeah tofu.....Turbocharged 4 cyl's usually arn't...that's a pretty basic assumption.
90% of N/a 4 bangers rely on revs, turbocharged ones don't, because THEY'RE TURBOCHARGED. Just wanna throw in some gnaw-ledge for yas
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I never said or implied that all four bangers are high revving, I own one, and know from experience.

Originally posted by Tofu4G63
So when someone starts talking about Imports is closedmindedness? But for all the folk who talk about Domestic's its just their opinion? Hmmm I'm closed minded. And because it's import bias its stupity? LOL ooook And how about nah..... I think i like it here.
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For you yes, we are trying to be open minded and you come in here and screw it up.
 

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