Lexus come's out fighting with the LS460

[Alex.]

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/08/lexus-ls-460-world-introduction-part-i/


looks hot! i want one! it was featured in this month's top gear magazine and i searched the forums, finding no direct results, i posted the thread,

This is Lexus's 7series and XJ conquerer! looks much better than the 7 and the XJ and much more likeable.

 

[m7ammed]

the 7 series looks much much better than that , it looks like a camery , I like the rear seats and the engine bay , but thats all

 

[Rue]

Looks uncannily like the 7-series from the side. Why don't Lexus/Toyota pioneer their own style with the LS series? The IS200 was lovely and so was the Soarer Coupe. No marks for originality here.

 

[YSSMAN]

Meh, I'd still rather have a Cadillac or a Jaguar. The Lexus is just too plain, without emotion... Much like the people who buy and drive Lexus products!

 

[Pupik]

The Lexus is just too plain, without emotion... Much like the people who buy and drive Lexus products!

That's the dumbest statement I've ever heard from someone who has a so-called "Quality Posts" badge.

If you think Lexus owners aren't emotional, try being a Lexus service advisor when their precious baby isn't quite 100% right. It's a little more difficult than sweeping floors and stocking shelves. Oh, I forgot...you're the American Clarkson...you've obviously driven 1000 different cars in your lifetime!

By the way, the car will be at my dealership on October 20th. Apparently, it's going to have twice as many gears as my GS 300.

 

[Alex.]

im just thankful my news thread isnt locked! usually when i post news some gest there first!

i'd have one, looks much better inside than it competitors

 

[Midnight Runner]

Looks good,but it screams "I wanna be a BMW 7-series!" a little too much IMO.

 

[Max_DC]

That's the dumbest statement I've ever heard from someone who has a so-called "Quality Posts" badge.

Ah I don't know, he tries hard in other threads aswell

 

[Alex.]

i wouldnt mind one anyway!

 

[Jim Prower]

well, they got one thing right on it...

Fully-defeatable Traction and Stability Control.

 

[franz]

It looks okay ... but I really like all the features that Lexus offers
and the fuel efficiency is quite decent for big engine like this

 

[JCE]

The Jaguar and BMW exudes class...this exudes boringness. 8spd tranmission...blah blah blah. Who cares? I'll take an A8 over any of them in this class.

 

[Pupik]

All of these cars are the size of Lincoln Town Cars, handle like boats, not sports-cars, and are filled to the gills with options to make sure they weigh at least 4000 pounds. They're all boring to drive; some are just faster than others...I've driven quite a number of these huge-ass machines, and none of them could be labeled as "exciting", not even the vaunted S-class (although I haven't an AMG-tuned S-class yet, I can't imagine its handling has changed by leaps and bounds).

Get over yourselves; the prospective owner of all of these luxobarges is 55+ years old. They're great for sucking up highway miles, but terrible for city driving and corner-taking.

 

[ND4SPD]

I was saddened to see all the plastic under the hood.

 

[m.piedgros]

It's an improvement over previous LS'. I sure can see a lot of 5 series influence. I guess the idea is give the people what they want and save 'em some money...

m.piedgros

 

[a6m5]

the 7 series looks much much better than that , it looks like a camery , I like the rear seats and the engine bay , but thats all

BMW and Lexus are my two favorite luxury car makers, so I'm not biased on this. While originality in design can be a good thing, IMO, 7-Series is a example of where it failed. 5-Series on the other hand, it has grown on me. At first, I hated it as much as the 7's design. I'm afraid 7 will never grow on me, if it hadn't already.

Looks uncannily like the 7-series from the side. Why don't Lexus/Toyota pioneer their own style with the LS series? The IS200 was lovely and so was the Soarer Coupe. No marks for originality here.

I agree. Since I've been a Toyota Crown fan(maybe I should become a crown_fan, eh? ) since I was little, I wouldn't mind seeing more Crown influence. Like the current LS430.

Get over yourselves; the prospective owner of all of these luxobarges is 55+ years old. They're great for sucking up highway miles, but terrible for city driving and corner-taking.

Exactly. LS always has been my dream luxury boat!.

 

[fangorn_forest]

Looks OK. But the Jaguar XJ and Audi A8/S8 are still the best looking cars in this class, by far.

 

[Tornado]

That's the dumbest statement I've ever heard from someone who has a so-called "Quality Posts" badge.

If you think Lexus owners aren't emotional, try being a Lexus service advisor when their precious baby isn't quite 100% right. It's a little more difficult than sweeping floors and stocking shelves. Oh, I forgot...you're the American Clarkson...you've obviously driven 1000 different cars in your lifetime!

I wouldn't be so sure. Lexus wasn't labled as the best Buick never build by Buick without a reason. It is true that underneath the spongy suspension and silly amounts of undefeatable gadetry there lies a well sorted car. But therein lies the problem. The LS was only more exciting to drive than a Camry because it was RWD. Not because it was a better driver's car. Whatever amazing-to-drive LS you've seen you should let us in on, because the current car ranks slightly below "soup" in the "Fun to Drive" category.

Get over yourselves; the prospective owner of all of these luxobarges is 55+ years old. They're great for sucking up highway miles, but terrible for city driving and corner-taking.

Both the XJ and 7-series say you are wrong.

Meh, I'd still rather have a Cadillac or a Jaguar. The Lexus is just too plain, without emotion... Much like the people who buy and drive Lexus products!

What?! What magical Cadillac have you been driving? The Deville?! That is not only a poor car in general, it is also upstaged by other cars on the same platform.

5-Series on the other hand, it has grown on me. At first, I hated it as much as the 7's design. I'm afraid 7 will never grow on me, if it hadn't already.

Really? I still think the 5 is demon spawn from hell, and I've always loved the current 7-series (if you are going to give me a pre-restyled one, though, give it to me in Navy or black. The new one looks fine in any color).

 

[a6m5]

Really? I still think the 5 is demon spawn from hell, and I've always loved the current 7-series (if you are going to give me a pre-restyled one, though, give it to me in Navy or black. The new one looks fine in any color).

Well, that's your opinion, and so are mine. But you gotta admit, you are in a very small minority.

 

[SagarisGTB]

I think the 5 series looks great, best looking current BMW.

Anyway, this car looks good, not exceptional, but nobody in its class really standsout in looks. Though the A8 is very handsome.

I hope Lexus build the L650h, that would be a great technological showcase.

 

[iceburns288]

5-series sucks. 7-series sucks. S-class all the way, but I can't imagine it being a problem to 'settle' for this car. The only non-Merc supercruiser I would buy. Japanese reliability and parts costs to boot.

 

[YSSMAN]

That's the dumbest statement I've ever heard from someone who has a so-called "Quality Posts" badge.

If you think Lexus owners aren't emotional, try being a Lexus service advisor when their precious baby isn't quite 100% right. It's a little more difficult than sweeping floors and stocking shelves. Oh, I forgot...you're the American Clarkson...you've obviously driven 1000 different cars in your lifetime!

Wow, someone can't take a gross overgeneralization of Lexus drivers...

Being spoiled by European sedans over the years does a lot to someones perspective on Lexus products. While they are indeed nice cars (overall), they are incredibly boring to look at, and IMO, quite boring to drive. Keep in mind, I nearly bought a '97 LS400 last year on the looks and comfort of the car... But after driving it for a day or two (I am good friends with the former owner), I came away really not liking the car.

Why?

It felt like an overgrown Camry, there really isn't any way to put it better than that. Granted having double the power through the addition of an extra set of cylinders was nice, but the "feel" of the car was dissapointing given the "wonderful" reputation that Lexus has. What it all came down to is that I didn't want to be that douchebag kid in a Lexus, much less jumping forward 30 years in my life to a "Lexus/Cadillac/Mercedes" stage.

While I do commend you for your love of Lexus products given your current job, get over it. There are more than enough alternatives to the "All-powerful" Lexus/Toyota out there today, many of which are much better for many different reasons. Feeling the road is one, having an engine that has power that communicates is another... I could care less about an eight-speed automatic when most cars need no more than five, and as far as adaptive crusie controll and the like are concerned, its all been done before.

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As for Tornado's comments on Cadillac:

I no longer consider the DTS to be a Cadillac, it is just an overpriced Buick. No one in their right mind, IMO, should ever consider the DTS over the Lucerne CXS given the identical performance, ride, handeling, and the $30K you would save with the Buick. It is just obsurd...

...What I was in reference to was infact the STS, argueably the best Cadillac on sale right now. Granted it isn't quite as large as the 7/S/A8/LS etc, it is larger than the 5/E/A6/GS, making it a segment-buster worth shopping. Depending on the options, you can have a compotent sport sedan, or a nice crusier that can hang with the best from Europe when the need should present itself.

Is it the best car in it's class? Not hardly... But it has it's strengths over the others, particularly when it comes to value/performance, and that is a strong card in my deck. But when I can just as easily take a trip down 28th street and pick up an XJ8 Vanden Plas or Super V8, that makes my decision all the more difficult.

 

[a6m5]

Wow, someone can't take a gross overgeneralization of Lexus drivers...

So, was he right then?

Douchebag kid in a Lexus and overgrown Camry. Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

[Max_DC]

Wow, someone can't take a gross overgeneralization of Lexus drivers...

Being spoiled by European sedans over the years does a lot to someones perspective on Lexus products. While they are indeed nice cars (overall), they are incredibly boring to look at, and IMO, quite boring to drive. Keep in mind, I nearly bought a '97 LS400 last year on the looks and comfort of the car... But after driving it for a day or two (I am good friends with the former owner), I came away really not liking the car.

Why?

It felt like an overgrown Camry, there really isn't any way to put it better than that. Granted having double the power through the addition of an extra set of cylinders was nice, but the "feel" of the car was dissapointing given the "wonderful" reputation that Lexus has. What it all came down to is that I didn't want to be that douchebag kid in a Lexus, much less jumping forward 30 years in my life to a "Lexus/Cadillac/Mercedes" stage.

While I do commend you for your love of Lexus products given your current job, get over it. There are more than enough alternatives to the "All-powerful" Lexus/Toyota out there today, many of which are much better for many different reasons. Feeling the road is one, having an engine that has power that communicates is another... I could care less about an eight-speed automatic when most cars need no more than five, and as far as adaptive crusie controll and the like are concerned, its all been done before.

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See, that's the way nobody would have said a word against your post. Express your opinion, it's a forum. But there is no need for a useless provocation. What you said was simply wrong as you'd like to say : " no if's and but's about it"...

 

[Poverty]

If you think Lexus owners aren't emotional, try being a Lexus service advisor when their precious baby isn't quite 100% right.

Maybe thats because its failed that at the main reason why they brought a lexus in the first place. Lexus is good at marketing, the name itself is pure genius, and I believe if it didnt have that name, it wouldnt be as successful in america as they are at the moment. However they are pretty damn boring cars these days, I used to be a major lexus fan and loved the original IS but lexus are just like a more high tech version of volvo these days.

 

[Pupik]

Wow, someone can't take a gross overgeneralization of Lexus drivers...

Since we agree that it's important to stick to facts and real-life opinions, then generalizations have no place in an argument.

...Keep in mind, I nearly bought a '97 LS400 last year on the looks and comfort of the car... But after driving it for a day or two (I am good friends with the former owner), I came away really not liking the car.

You're judging this car (that hasn't come out yet [I feel I'm repeating myself again...]) to a car that's 10 years old.

...What it all came down to is that I didn't want to be that douchebag kid in a Lexus, much less jumping forward 30 years in my life to a "Lexus/Cadillac/Mercedes" stage.

So because they come from rich parents, they're automatically douchebags? At least give them a chance to be a douchbag, first. This sounds like jealousy, you want to be rich like them, but you're not. Guess what? Being middle class isn't the end of the world when you're 19-20 years old, it's far better than starting off in the poorest classes. When you're 30-40, you'll buy that new BMW that you want at just the point where most people can afford to do so. (I just hope you actually test-drive it, and not just assume it's a good car because the '06 model was really good.)

While I do commend you for your love of Lexus products given your current job, get over it. There are more than enough alternatives to the "All-powerful" Lexus/Toyota out there today, many of which are much better for many different reasons...

I think you'll find I have no probelm roasting and revealing information about Lexuses as much as praising them, if you do a search on these boards. I could go into more detail, but there is a fine line that I cannot cross due to agreements upon my employment. But short of a few members here that actually own them, it wouldn't help too many people here. Besides, there's dedicated forums for just about every car in existence to assist them. I don't have a whole lot of opinion on every car, because anyone could mention figures all day long, and even though currently I drive and have driven many different cars over the years, it's a whole other ballgame to actually own them or drive them every day.

In any case, YSSMAN, I don't have any personal grudge with you, as you do have a wealth of automotive information (I used to keep up with the latest this and that in the world of cars from age 11 to about 20 or so), but while generalizations might temporarily move people's emotions, it takes a lot more to actually shape opinions.

 

[harrytuttle]

Looks uncannily like the 7-series from the side. Why don't Lexus/Toyota pioneer their own style with the LS series? The IS200 was lovely and so was the Soarer Coupe. No marks for originality here.

Lexus has always been a copy of either the S-Class or 7-Series. In fact, just about every Japanese car falls into one of two design categories: copy, or ugly.

I was saddened to see all the plastic under the hood.

Like these?

I don't know exactly why they do it. Perhaps with the huge amount of wiring in modern cars, they're afraid of the engine bay looking "messy". :shrug: They know hardly anyone messes around under the hood these days anyway.

 

[a6m5]

Lexus has always been a copy of either the S-Class or 7-Series. In fact, just about every Japanese car falls into one of two design categories: copy, or ugly.

First part, I tend to agree. Especially on LS Series. Second part, you either have not seen many Japanese cars, or are just being ridiculous. Bad stereotyping.

 

[Tornado]

Lexus has always been a copy of either the S-Class or 7-Series. In fact, just about every Japanese car falls into one of two design categories: copy, or ugly.

O RLY?

Not every car is the B9 Tribeca or LS430.

 

[JCE]

O RLY?

Not every car is the B9 Tribeca or LS430.

+rep Great reply. Not all Japanese cars are copy of something European or whatnot. Anyone that says ANY Z car is ugly needs to just go away.