Lexus IS-F: 400 BHP, 8-Speed Auto, 0-60 in 4.9 sec

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At the moment, I do not care if it'll be competitive against an M3 or RS4, I'm just happy it's actually coming. How many times did Toyota announced cars, but did nothing? Exactly! At last; something powerful, fast, fun and impressive from Toyota :cheers:
 
Very true, but without a solid test, I still don't know what to think about this car. I still doubt very much that it will pose any kind of threat to the C63 and M3, but I'm sure people will like it because its "easy to drive" or something stupid like that.

I'm just not all that impressed thus far. Maybe I'm getting too eager to see the CTS-V (now officially rumored to have between 500-550 BHP with a supercharged 6.2L V8), but I still have my doubts... Aaaand, with the M3 sedan around the corner, well, my guess is that will probably put almost all of them to shame.

I don't get that? Is being easy to drive a bad thing? :lol:

As for the competitiveness of the product... It's hard to say. :confused:
Part of me says the IS is the base and a solid car but not the likes of the C63. :scared:
However, at the same time I'm well aware of the Toyota that does compete in motorsport (with cars such as the IS and SC) and because of that I'm sure there is potential for a good product.

It's just a matter of how seriously Toyota is taking this project. If they're putting real TRD effort into the suspension and engine I'm sure the car will be awesome (although maybe not C63 awesome). If they just throw a new level of IS on the market without putting in serious effort I'm sure the product will be inferior to most performance sedans of similar cost.

I'm headed out to search for this car on the net... Back if I find anything good. :D
 
I still doubt very much that it will pose any kind of threat to the C63 and M3, but I'm sure people will like it because its "easy to drive" or something stupid like that.
The C63 is reportedly insanely easy to drive. It just drives at near-warp speeds. It is the M3 that has the tricky touch. So Toyota making the IS F easy to drive shouldn't be a problem, so long as it is faster than it seems on paper.
 
At the moment, I do not care if it'll be competitive against an M3 or RS4, I'm just happy it's actually coming. How many times did Toyota announced cars, but did nothing? Exactly! At last; something powerful, fast, fun and impressive from Toyota :cheers:

Given that is is Toyota, I would say we won't see this car for another 7-10 years.:banghead:

Easy to drive? Meh, I would rather have something challenging because it would be more involving and in the end ultimately more fun and rewarding. a harder to drive car will probably feel faster.
 
I don't get that? Is being easy to drive a bad thing? :lol:

I can't imagine why anyone would think so either. The car that invented the segment (the M3) pretty much built its reputation for good handling on the basis that it's an easy car to drive fast and does not punish beginners very harshly.


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I can't imagine why anyone would think so either. The car that invented the segment (the M3) pretty much built its reputation for good handling on the basis that it's an easy car to drive fast and does not punish beginners very harshly.


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*Cough, Lotus Cortina* ;)
 
I can't imagine why anyone would think so either. The car that invented the segment (the M3) pretty much built its reputation for good handling on the basis that it's an easy car to drive fast and does not punish beginners very harshly.


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Well I suppose its tit-for-tat in some occasions, but I tend to have a liking for cars that do enjoy biting you in the ass now and again for trying something stupid. My assertion was that the Lexus may in fact be too "soft" compared to the others, and that being what Lexus does best, would be the main selling point for this "sport" sedan. That is of course implying that the car doesn't perform well...

...Which I know is not true...
 
That is of course implying that the car doesn't perform well...

...Which I know is not true...

But compared to what? I'm sure this could run circles around your Jetta for example, but I wouldn't be surprised if I saw an M3 totally embarrassing the Lexus on a track.
 
*Cough, Lotus Cortina* ;)

...in the US :sly:

Not that easy to drive a car that catches itself on fire or doesn't start. Or both. :p

Doh! :lol:

Well I suppose its tit-for-tat in some occasions, but I tend to have a liking for cars that do enjoy biting you in the ass now and again for trying something stupid. My assertion was that the Lexus may in fact be too "soft" compared to the others, and that being what Lexus does best, would be the main selling point for this "sport" sedan. That is of course implying that the car doesn't perform well...

...Which I know is not true...

Which is why you drive a vicious widow-maker like the Mk. III Jetta, right? ;)

Just kidding you. There's nothing wrong with liking cars that are a challenge to drive. My own daily driver is a bit of a handful at times and is a more interesting car because of it.

But I don't think there is a single car in the IS F's segment that would qualify as one 'that will bite in the ass for stupidity'. The M3 wouldn't. It has been an easy car to drive since the E30 and each successive version has polished its handling until it is practically idiot proof. The RS4 does nothing but safely understeer at the limit and has no handling vices I've ever heard of (other than being comically heavy). Until the C63, all AMG cars wouldn't even let you turn off the stability control. So if the IS F has safe, benign handling that wouldn't ever put a foot wrong, its because that's what's expected of a car in its class, as well as it being a Lexus first and foremost.


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"Widow-Maker" is a good name for the Jetta, lol... I may have to steal that one!

You are right about most of those cars really not being "hard" to drive anymore, but I'm sure that at the limit, some are more "dangerous" than the others.
 
To be fair to Lexus, that number could be conservative. Recent performance autos are shockingly good and the crazy number of gears in that one might make the run closer to 4.7 or 4.8. With 'only' 255s in the back, traction is probably the biggest issue.

To be realistic to Toyota/Lexus, they've probably overestimated the times. I've yet to see a GS or IS that lived up to the hype, be it performance or thrill.
 
http://www.leftlanenews.com/first-drive-lexus-is-f.html

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Lexus officially launched its IS-F at this year's SEMA in Las Vegas and gave show attendees a chance to sample its M3 fighter on a special track setup behind the convention center. Not wanting to miss out on the opportunity to drive Lexus' first real attempt at a performance car, Leftlane braved the long line and Nevada sun to get some seat time in the new IS-F.

The exterior of the IS-F has been slightly modified to separate it from lesser IS models, but the design seems to be a bit out of proportion on the front of the car — the front overhang seems long and appears to droop over the front wheels. The unique IS-F wheels look great and nicely fill out the car's wheel wells, giving the car a very planted look. The IS-F's stacked quad exhaust is a nice design touch and helps visually differentiate the IS-F from other models in the Lexus lineup, as well as other cars on the market. A small decklid spoiler also gives the car a subtle look of performance.

Apart from some unique surface materials, the interior of the IS-F isn't much different from the normal IS range. The IS-F's interior doesn't have the sporting feel other cars in this segment possess, but its fit and finish are top notch and all materials seem to be of very high quality. Seats are well bolstered and aluminum pedals do give the air of performance. Gauges are of typical IS design and include a center LCD readout to remind you which of the IS-F's eight gears you've selected when manual mode is engaged.

While our track time with the IS-F was brief, we were able to get a general idea of what the newest Lexus is all about. Power delivery was smooth and acceleration was deceptively quick. The cabin of the IS-F is extremely quite and keeps the 5.0L V8 fairly muted, even under full throttle. Revs climb quickly and gear changes performed with the car's steering wheel mounted shifters are lightning fast. Of note, the paddle shifters also feature a rev-matching blip on down shifts.

Through the twisties, the IS-F showed more oversteer than we expected from the car — although over heated tires could have been to blame. Despite the tendency for the rear end to step out around corners, steering felt direct but was slightly on the numb side. The chassis felt rigid and the sport-tuned suspension allowed for only the slightest hint of body roll around the skid pad. The IS-F's performance brakes — which include cross-drilled rotors — were excellent and didn't show any sign of fade, despite being driven hard all day.

Overall, Lexus has created a nice performance package in the IS-F, but the car will likely fall short in the minds of hard core enthusiasts. Whereas the BMW M3 is geared toward performance first and foremost, it seems as though Lexus created the IS-F as a luxury car with sporting intentions. Lexus' F line of cars is definitely a step in the right direction, but Toyota's luxury division might have to wait until the next-generation IS-F to seriously compete with the performance models from its German rivals.

Excpected I guess
 
Pretty much. Its a "quick" car, just like the IS350 below it, but it just doesn't feel quite right. No problems, the local BMW and Cadillac dealers would be happy to offer you something better...
 
It is fairly expected, but for me, that is what I would want in a car like this.

I still think purest type cars should be MR and completely useless for anything but spirited driving. This sounds fairly up my alley though, the IS-F, as an alternate fun car that you can put some stuff in and people... a contrast to my MR2.
 
Pretty much. Its a "quick" car, just like the IS350 below it, but it just doesn't feel quite right. No problems, the local BMW, Mercedes and Audi dealers would be happy to offer you something better...

Fixed ;). Although I don't doubt the Caddy's ability to outperform this car.

But I think Azure is headed in the right direction. It is supposed to be a fast car and a pretty good performer, but they aren't looking to be some track monster, and being able to drive it civily will take away from it's feel. And I don't recall Lexus having much experience making a supercar for the street.
 
Fixed ;). Although I don't doubt the Caddy's ability to outperform this car.

But I think Azure is headed in the right direction. It is supposed to be a fast car and a pretty good performer, but they aren't looking to be some track monster, and being able to drive it civily will take away from it's feel. And I don't recall Lexus having much experience making a supercar for the street.

Thank you. If you look at Lexus, and how they do their ads, they always put some serious focus on the quiet, refined nature of their cars. Its their image, it works, and they want to keep it.

Its hard to get BMW, Audi, and MB fans to change their minds... they want sporty, Quattro, or a three point star, more than most anything else. Lexus is trying to get those that are not slotting right into those cliches. Thats what i think a large part of this is. Mix relatively amazing performance with quiet refinement, and you'll likely get more buyers that can foot the bill. Thus the automatic 8speed, and such.
 
Pretty much. Its a "quick" car, just like the IS350 below it, but it just doesn't feel quite right. No problems, the local BMW and Cadillac dealers would be happy to offer you something better...

At this exact moment, Cadillac has nothing over the IS-F. After personally seeing the car put to the pace, I doubt any CTS would take it. It doesn't look M3 or AMG fast, but it gets its job done.
 
Well you can't blame them from trying, can you? In the end, they finally build something fast again 👍
 
At this exact moment, Cadillac has nothing over the IS-F. After personally seeing the car put to the pace, I doubt any CTS would take it. It doesn't look M3 or AMG fast, but it gets its job done.

As of right now, yes. Fast forward a few months to the 515-550 BHP CTS-V and I think that will change... If it handles this well with the FE3 chassis and the Pilot PS2s, I can't imagine what the actual thing will be like...
 
Why have I never heard of this thing until now?! Is this a US only car? I love it!
 
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Why have I never heard of this thing until now?! Is this a US only car? I love it!

They should be selling it in Europe and Asia if I'm not mistaken...
 
Car and Driver had a test last month (4.2 0-60mph, 12.7 @ 114mph for the quarter, 172mph top-end/limited) and they said an M3 comparo is coming soon, although even my great-aunt know the M3 is going to win that comparison test before it even starts. The question is by how many points does the IS-F lose by...anyone have the over/under on that one?

Reading the two reviews (IS-F and M3 [September 2007]) puts both in very similar territory for speed, braking, handling, price, options, et cetera. The exception is top-end, but that's nearly meaningless; if you have enough money for track-time, you can spend another $5K to chip/flash the 'box on the M. It's going to be close, but come down to how it makes them feel when they drive it, tactile responses, and the so-called "gotta-have-it-factor" that they use for bias, when necessary.
 
The question is by how many points does the IS-F lose by...anyone have the over/under on that one?

I'd be looking at something like a 6-10 split between the two, probably tilted in the favor of the M3. Although, one would hope they grab an M3 sedan to make a proper comparison...
 
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