Like a challenge? Then try this...

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Hi there folks!

Need a new challenge? Something to have you cursing at the screen?

I needed it too... having done 100% of the game, got all the cars etc... I wanted to think of something so fiendish, so nasty, so downright horrible as a challenge... that grown men would go whimpering to their mommas... (or not, possibly :D)

So here it is...

THE HELL-O-BIRD CHALLENGE!

The idea is simple. First buy yourself a RUF Yellow Bird.

Got one? Good. (has to be totally untuned, mind)

Now... this is where it starts getting nasty...

Go and buy yourself, Road tyres... NOT sports... NOT racing... ROAD...

And, make sure they're the endurance ones... ie, the ones that are HARDEST... (furthest on the left if you're new to this)

So, UNtuned Yellowbird, HARD ROAD tyres... with me so far/ good!

Next, ditch your nice steering wheel. No DFP's no nothing... nope, instead you're gonna use, a nice Joypad... (hey, YOU wanted a challenge, right?)

Finally... go to setup before racing... and (you're gonna love this) TURN OFF ALL STEERING AIDS (that's oversteer, understeer and traction control... ALL turned off)

Done all that? Your car's ready to race...

Where though... hmmm, somewhere, where one tiny error will mess you up badly... REAALLY badly..!

So... guess where you're going... no, not not the nurbergring... too easy... not La Sarthe... not even Monte carlo...

No my friends... YOU are going toooooo... *drum roll*

LAGUNA SECA!

That's right... your mission... to get around Laguna Seca.... withough losing control of the car, once. (no, not even going over the edge of the road)

Lap times? Who cares? But if you really want something to aim at... a darn fine drive should have you breaking the 2 minute barrier... happy now..? *grins*

Do this, and you can truly consider yourself a master of the Yellowbird... well until I think of something even nastier... ;)

And yes... I have done it... and my next plan is to do every single track with this car... eventually... *grins*

Have fun! - FTB
 
First, you don't buy Yellow bird, you win one.. ;)
Second, why not the Wheel?? You consider a challenge to drive with a DS2?? I consider that a waste of time, and if you have a wheel, a totaly stupid way to play a game.. I mean i don't have a Joystick in real yellow bird, so whats the point, challenge??
 
You can also trade one over from your own memory card too... which is what i did... :D hence "buy" :D

As for the steering wheel... if you want to use it, that's up to you, but using the pads just that bit more difficult... of course, if it's too much for you...

By the way, nice driving DYR... :D

Lighten up folks, it's a bit of fun, not life and death :D
 
I agree, oddly enough... once you get used to the fact it doesn't brake worth a damn, and spins it's wheels at the slightest provocation running hard road tyres (and no traction control obviously!) it's actually a real pleasure to drift sideways into corners... providing you can catch the back end from spinning out a second later... :D
 
If you want a challenge, try it in Supercar Festival (stock). Whack a turbo and intercooler in, enter and take them out.

Still can't crack even one race (Seoul) ...
 
This is a real noob style challenge. Considering most GT nuts (thats us) always play with driving aids off (who would ever have them on?!), on realistic style tyres (whatever best matches the real world lap times of each car), I really think you need a FAR harder challenge. There wasn't even a time to beat set! Getting around the track (with any car) in a relatively fast and smooth manner is elementary.

Besides, the yellowbird is my favorite car anyway, precisely because of its fun physics. The nurburgring IS harder to master than Laguna Seca anyway, it's far bumpier and less predictable on braking. With the higher speed of the nurb the RUF will run into problems more easily.

Wheel or DS2 isn't important, the game is easy and predictable with either.

How about we fully tune up the engine of the yellowbird and not anything else? We might need some delicate throttle work then.
 
Supercar festival... I remember that one... that's where they say you can only use certain cars, then promptly put cars up against you, that are illegal for you to use!

Hmmm... considering the massive traction problems with the TC turned off, think that'd be a good idea to turn it back on again... takes you too damn long to accelerate out of a corner otherwise! :D

I'm considering taking my de-tuned 'Bird somewhere else challenging... but man, I wish they'd left complex string in from GT3... imagine the fun of doing those right angle corners in the Bird! ;)
 
Well thanks for your feedback 2097... I take it you've done this then, yes..? *smiling*

By the way, the RUF has sports soft tyres as standard... I switched them to road hard... quite the difference in performance, I assure you! ;)
 
Why didn't you edit that post into the one above it?

As for your Yellow Bird at Laguna Seca, sounds like my Sunday afternoon. You want to try that Option Stream Z on road tires - anywhere... :scared: It hauls in a straight line (once it hooks up), but getting it to stop or change direction is a real mission - now there's a challenge for ya... :nervous: :)
 
talking about grip with the road tires, *sorry for being a touch off topic*, but the honda accord euro '04 and the vauxhaul vectra both have similar torque and power, but they both come off the line very differently with road tires on.

Accord hits cutout and bounces off there until car momentum catches up. But the the vectra bogs down and bounces on the way up to redline then switches gears... (both were without trac-troll on)... anyone have an explanation?..

Considering the low grip levels of the standard car tires i thought any car would have them spinning.. and its not like the vectras short on torque, (300something).

very strange. Thanks for any info. (im not attempting to hijack the thread ;P)
 
~Sp33~
...But the the vectra bogs down and bounces on the way up to redline then switches gears...
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You'll have to explain that to me... :confused:

It may have something to do with tyre size, are they the same size from Accord to Vectra? The Vectra may have bigger tyres and so more grip? :)
 
i assumed that, but in real life theyre the same size. Its real hard to describe exactly wats happening, but when you launch hard from a standstil the car will lose grip for a moment then regain it then lose it... kinda like trac troll.. but less responsive.. youll have to see for yourself to fully understand

its just a standard vectra with no aids...(lol..).. and road tires.
 
You probably can't measure tyre size in GT4 anyway, but what about gear-ratios? Are they the same? If the Vectra's 1st gear is longer, this will cause less acceleration and give impression of greater traction. Maybe this is the problem? Hard to check though as I don't think you can get the ratios for standard boxes, but measure the top speed when both cars are bouncing off the limiter in 1st... :)
 
hmm.. the vectras is longer, but not substantially. What i dont understand is, why does it regain grip after its brocken?.. This causes the car to bounce, kinda like you cant keep a steady foot on the accelerator.
 
~Sp33~
hmm.. the vectras is longer, but not substantially. What i dont understand is, why does it regain grip after its brocken?.. This causes the car to bounce, kinda like you cant keep a steady foot on the accelerator.
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Not sure about that bit - maybe the torque curve, but unlikely.
It may be the suspension. Try fitting some after market suspension, and playing around with it making it harder and softer, see how that works. Change the damping and rebound on the rear so that the damping is soft and the rebound is high - this should make the rear of the car squat and stay there. Try using opposite on the front so the front rises up then doesn't come down again. This should make some differences.

What I'm getting at is that maybe it's weight transfer that's making the front 'bounce'? :)

Edit - more: As the car accelerates, the weight comes off the front and the tyres spin, slowing the car's acceleration and shifting weight forward. With this extra weight the wheels grip, shifting weight back, causing the wheels to spin... This sounds plausable. :)
 
i dont have a problem with it, i just find it strange ^^ :sly:

EDIT: the vectras suspension is much softer then the accords... iunno bout the weight transfer.. its just strange is all..
 
~Sp33~
the vectras suspension is much softer then the accords...
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There's your answer then.

I agree with Jeremy Clarkson, Vauxhall's are crap... (except open top speedster 220 turbo thing, that's alright but not as good as the Elise in my opinion. A direct copy will never be as good as the original... :sly: )
 
rigdon
Urgh, I'm not even gonna bother.

I play with a DS2 and with no aids anyway. I could do this with my eyes closed.
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I hear ya. I've done so many laps of every track (crap tires, no aids is de-riguer) with the yellowbird that its just not a challenge any more.

Perhaps some people think the DS2 is hard to use because they use the face buttons for acel/braking instead of the far more accurate right stick. You can use the throttle perfectly accurately like this. PD really should've made the right stick the default instead of the limited proportional control of the buttons.
 
ferrari_chris
There's your answer then.

I agree with Jeremy Clarkson, Vauxhall's are crap... (except open top speedster 220 turbo thing, that's alright but not as good as the Elise in my opinion. A direct copy will never be as good as the original... :sly: )
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hmm... Id realy like for you to try this, just to see what im talking about. Its not the suspension causing it to 'bounce' its an engine related thing. This is starting to cheese me off, usually i know the answers to these things. I suspected a wavy looking torque curve, but no, its very continueous. *eye twitching*.

When you have trac troll on 1, it magnifies the strange engine habit.
 
~Sp33~
hmm... Id realy like for you to try this, just to see what im talking about. Its not the suspension causing it to 'bounce' its an engine related thing. This is starting to cheese me off, usually i know the answers to these things. I suspected a wavy looking torque curve, but no, its very continueous. *eye twitching*.

When you have trac troll on 1, it magnifies the strange engine habit.
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I'll give it a bash and see what I can figure out, if anything. The torque cruve I suggested was unlikely as it would have to be more than wavy to cause something like this. More like peaks and troughs...

I'l get on it this arvo if I can... :)
 
Kewl 👍 remember to have trac on 1, coz ive found it amplifies the problem, also, road tires and leave it standard. ^^, goodluck. :)

Tell me what you think of it ;)
 
I used to think Suzuka was a little more difficult to keep control on then Laguna and it also is surronded by sand. No mistakes can be made. Although I know Suzuka very well by now, so I don't make any mistakes there anyway. Just thinking that Laguna might not be the most unforgiving track. Nurburgring is the hardest, but if you go off track you don't lose too much when there's no damage.

It's more difficult to keep control if you fully tune the sucker. Or atleast add all the hp you can. Then it's alot more of a ***** to drive. I actually like how it handles in stock form.

My idea for a challenge. RX-7 bathurst edition fully tuned, any tires you want. Go beat LMP's. Now thats hard. :eek:
 
It would be entirely feasable to play GT4 reasonably well with your feet. You would need to set it to auto and just use the sticks/buttons. It would also help to have a FF/4WD car that you can happily apply full throttle with, and it stays in shape easily...

Anybody up for controlled drifts using only your feet? I once played Crash Bandicoot 2 (PS1) through all the way using just my feet, so I could eat and drink beer at the same time! I am quite embarrassed to admit that one! A racing game such as GT4 would require a little trickier stick manipulation than Crash Banditcoot... Anybody wanna see what time they can get on an easy track (say... Midfield) with a stock Skyline R34 (very forgiving car, but still quickish)? You may even be able to go manual gears by jamming the back of the DS2 into the carpet with your feet on each side to hit L2 and R2. Left foot jab to change down, right foot jab to change up, while keeping your big toes on each stick... now there's a suitably wacked out thing for those who think GT has lost its challenge! :):):)
 
haha.. i dont know if that was wat ving was talking about.. well it wasnt wat i assumed anyway.. interesting concept though

i shall try sometime. Whilst im home alone, so i dont have to explain my odd ways to ther family members
 

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