Lincoln Mark VIII LSC information request.
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M5PowerI don't think I'd use the term "agile" to describe any Lincoln Mark model.
True... given the fact they weight nearly 2 tons.
I was never really a big fan of handling anyway.
Just lots of torque at "relatively" low rpms or a turbocharger "whoooOOOOOOooooosh", "ssshhssss"... I'm going to miss the TC...
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The Mark VIIIs use the 4R70W transmission and if you are concerned with auto tranny reliability the 4R70Ws were beefed up in '97 so go with a '97-'98 Mark VIII LSC.
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just wanted to point out that the H1 is wider than the excursion.
neanderthal
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Yaay!
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Drifting Thunda
As long as the 4R70W (the 4 meaning the number of gears and the W meaning wide ratio) is more reliable than the infamous A4LD
, I shouldn't have a problem. As it stands my budget will probably only allow for a '90-92 Mark 7 or a '93-96 Mark 8 (base or LSC).I HAVE TO GET RID OF THE THUNDERBIRD TURBO COUPE.
The power steering rack cracked today -- dumping copious amounts of power steering fluid onto the ground. Steering was, um, difficult, but I managed to get the car to my Uncle's house (he's a mechanic).
In short,
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
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Well for now I would try for a '93-'96 mk8 because I know you will love that car and the tranny will hold up eternally unless you start adding chunks of horsepower. In which case just have it rebuilt someday to handle like 450 rw torque.
The Mark VIII is lighter than the birds and cats, and it has DOHC to begin with, it's actually a very tasteful project car. Not to mention it is a great V8 daily driver, the fuel mileage of the 8 surpasses the 7.
I am still trying to get my '86 birdy in a decent condition, now all I need is the driver's door side-molding and wheels and tires. Maybe another tune-up and front brakes too.
The Mark VIII is lighter than the birds and cats, and it has DOHC to begin with, it's actually a very tasteful project car. Not to mention it is a great V8 daily driver, the fuel mileage of the 8 surpasses the 7.
I am still trying to get my '86 birdy in a decent condition, now all I need is the driver's door side-molding and wheels and tires. Maybe another tune-up and front brakes too.
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Drifting Thunda
'93-'96 it is then.
If I do add horsepower and torque, probably no more than 30 each. Minor modifications are all I'm looking for. So 280-300 (for the base), 290-315 (for the LSC). What do they SOUND like, though? I've never really "heard" a Mark 8. Mark 7s, I've heard before.
That's true. I'm looking more a "quicker than average" daily driver, though. There are more Mark 8s for sale in my area than Mark 7s, so I guess an 8 will be the obvious choice. I actually saw one today on the road! The guy was driving VERY quickly -- didn't get the opportunity to hear the engine/exhaust though. The car just disappeared.
Cool.
Didn't you say you wanted a 514ci motor in that car?
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Nice picture, VipFREAK! Thanks. Lincoln are the best! 
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Exactly.
After some searching, I've been able to find REAL performance numbers for the Mark VIII (1993-96). They can do 0-60 in LESS than 7 seconds (6.5-6.9) and they do the 1/4 mile in anywhere between (14.9-15.4) depending on conditions COMPLETELY STOCK! That's right... ZERO modifications. Any figures slower than that are "conservative". The top speed of the base Mark 8 is 130 mph (limited, derestricted should be much faster). The base LSC's gears are so tall, in top gear at almost 100mph, the engine is still turning over at just 2,400rpm! The LSCs are limited to 124 mph, but I read an article about the car reaching a land speed record of 180+ mph. The only modifications to the car were taller gears (so that the car could reach its top speed in 3rd gear as opposed to 4th), different tires, and a minor mod to the exhaust (forgot exactly what it was). Virturally no performance modifications and it could reach 180mph without the limiter.
So... 1993-1996 Mark 8 it is, then.
After some searching, I've been able to find REAL performance numbers for the Mark VIII (1993-96). They can do 0-60 in LESS than 7 seconds (6.5-6.9) and they do the 1/4 mile in anywhere between (14.9-15.4) depending on conditions COMPLETELY STOCK! That's right... ZERO modifications. Any figures slower than that are "conservative". The top speed of the base Mark 8 is 130 mph (limited, derestricted should be much faster). The base LSC's gears are so tall, in top gear at almost 100mph, the engine is still turning over at just 2,400rpm! The LSCs are limited to 124 mph, but I read an article about the car reaching a land speed record of 180+ mph. The only modifications to the car were taller gears (so that the car could reach its top speed in 3rd gear as opposed to 4th), different tires, and a minor mod to the exhaust (forgot exactly what it was). Virturally no performance modifications and it could reach 180mph without the limiter.
So... 1993-1996 Mark 8 it is, then.
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Yeah, I mean the stock tranny should be good for 350 rwhp or so.
Lemme ask you this, have you ever heard the rumble of a 4.6L Mustang Cobra? An 8 can sound just like a Cobra with the appropriate exhaust mods (I would suggest Flowmaster cat-back for your application). They have basically the same motor after all.
The Mark VIIIs, MN12 Cougars, and MN12 T-Birds are all very aerodynamic, sporting a .30-.31 co-efficient of drag if I remember correctly. The C6 Corvette and Nissan 350Z are .29. Not a big difference, remember Marks are based on birds which were bred for NASCAR.
I Know I personally would take a Mark 8 over the 7 any day.
If you get an 8 plz post pics and details.
Lemme ask you this, have you ever heard the rumble of a 4.6L Mustang Cobra? An 8 can sound just like a Cobra with the appropriate exhaust mods (I would suggest Flowmaster cat-back for your application). They have basically the same motor after all.
The Mark VIIIs, MN12 Cougars, and MN12 T-Birds are all very aerodynamic, sporting a .30-.31 co-efficient of drag if I remember correctly. The C6 Corvette and Nissan 350Z are .29. Not a big difference, remember Marks are based on birds which were bred for NASCAR.
I Know I personally would take a Mark 8 over the 7 any day.
If you get an 8 plz post pics and details.
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Oh yeah, I do want a 514ci (that's 8.4L) FBB V8 for my '86 but first I need to get it ready to support that bad boy, for one thing with that motor in the car as is will see nooooo traction. The rear tires are currently just all-season 215s and there's no limited slip. Plus the rear is only a 7.5", I will need a 9". I am considering a 6-speed too, but haven't decided. The 514 crate motor as is is over 600 rwhp, if I set the car up right it should be able to run 8 or 9 second quarters naturally aspirated. With the stroke of the engine I will desire more high end power, so I'm debating a centrifugal supercharger also. The front wheels will leave the ground fo sho. I know I'm crazy.
Not sure where the car is going exactly but I wanna smack up all the fox stangs in my "grandpa's car."
I know I'm crazy.Not sure where the car is going exactly but I wanna smack up all the fox stangs in my "grandpa's car."
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Drifting Thunda
That's good to hear. If/when I do get the car, I probably won't want more than 250rwhp (stock I've heard is 205-210rwhp for a base, 220rwhp for an LSC).
Definitely! Sounds good -- how much does something like that cost, though?
That's the best part of the car!
Oh yeah -- that's how the 8 was able to get the top speed record of 181+. I've heard it can do 150 without the limiter... the supertall overdrive being the culprit... otherwise I'm sure it could do 170+.
Yep, it's official. No more Mark 7. GO MARK 8!!!
If you get an 8 plz post pics and details.
I most definitely will. I'm aiming for a date somewhere between late-July mid-late August. The T-Bird Turbo, with its messed up [sometimes leaky] transmission, broken driver's side window, cracked steering rack, and assortment of other "strange behavior" has served its purpose. Time to move on to BIGGER (202.1 ---> 207.1, 2.3 ---> 4.6, 4cyl ---> 8 cyl, 8v ---> 32v, 3,600lbs ---> 3,800lbs, ~175-200hp --->280-290hp), BETTER (way better) cars.
I can imagine.
You could spin the tires at 120 mph... Why not use the PROVEN 8.8" rear from the T-Bird Turbo Coupe.
Probably the best bit of my car (exception = turbo).From where? The F350 diesel?
That's HYSTERICALLY fast!
Yup... you've lost touch with reality.
It should be fun, though! I know I couldn't (wouldn't/shouldn't) drive a car like that.That's what I plan on doing as well.
We'll show 'em!
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Nah the six speed would prolly be a built-up Viper T-56.
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Drifting Thunda
Expensive, I would imagine -- but the 6-speed in the F150 is SO durable.
Also, how much does that particular exhaust system cost (the Flowmaster...)?
Why not use the 8.8" rear end? Is it too "weak" to handle the power/torque?
Are the dyno numbers for the stock Mark 8 and LSC correct? Sometimes people will make numbers up... do they sound about right?
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I wanna use a 9" because I don't wanna take any chances and the Ford 9" is one of the toughest rears in the world. Many Chevy guys use them even.
The Viper T-56 can be purchased at fairly reasonable prices usually, it's just like the Camaro/Firebird one but with a 2.66 first gear ratio.
The Flowmaster exhaust system I'm not sure how much it will run you, I would think anywhere from $300-700 bucks.
Your dyno numbers are a smidge too modest if anything, I think an LSC with 20% driveline power loss should be about 230-235 rwhp.
The Viper T-56 can be purchased at fairly reasonable prices usually, it's just like the Camaro/Firebird one but with a 2.66 first gear ratio.
The Flowmaster exhaust system I'm not sure how much it will run you, I would think anywhere from $300-700 bucks.
Your dyno numbers are a smidge too modest if anything, I think an LSC with 20% driveline power loss should be about 230-235 rwhp.
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Drifting Thunda
Cool! Never knew that... GM = 👎 Ford =
The Camaro/Firebird have the same exact gear ratios, just different final drives.
2.66, 1.78, 1.3, 1.0, 0.74, 0.5 final: viper = 3.07, gm f-body = 3.42
That's reasonable...
OK... even better!
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menglan
Cool!
Gasp! Pics please!!!
I need something to
over while I wait.
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menglan
That's OK. Thank you!!!
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I know there's something better about the Viper T-56 though.
There aren't very many Mark VIIIs around here.
There aren't very many Mark VIIIs around here.
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Lincoln Mark VIII forum
Apparently Ford wouldn't pay the car magazines enough money, so they ran "conservative" runs to 60 mph and the 1/4 mile. I knew it was faster than quoted.
