List of cars with "Turbo Lag"

[Onboy123]

Onboy123 - That's why I said "If it has a turbo..."

I know you said that, but I was just telling you that that isn't always the case. N/A cars also suffer from 'lag', just not turbo lag. Anyways, I think the turbo charged Z32 or something also suffers a tad, but you won't really notice it in cruisers like those.

 

[Tornado]

Tornado... what's this?

A turbo that has a boost threshold of about 5000 rpm. Maybe a bit earlier. And considering it is likely a fairly large turbo, it also probably has tons of turbo lag in addition even after you get it past that.

And if all you do is tell people how wrong you think they are without putting some positive help here for them to work with then use this as advice.

My first post in this thread I said that people were confusing terms, and said what the proper term was.

 

[Bottoz]

So when I say waiting on power from the turbo is turbo lag, I'm wrong.
When Tornado says waiting on power from the turbo is boost threshold and turbo lag, he's right.

(man I wish I could type in bold blue letters)

 

[Highlandor]

There's nothing wrong with Tornado's advice or attitude (he's not my friend, don't know him at all) but I agree with what he's saying, and how, he's saying it.

It's hardly surprising when so many ridiculous statements/posts are being made, someone who knows what they're talking about is more than likely going to post like that.

People are talking about cars without a turbo, cars with HIGH rpm turbo kits and cars not even in the game....?????????

Crazy....

 

[Toyzri]

A turbo that has a boost threshold of about 5000 rpm. Maybe a bit earlier. And considering it is likely a fairly large turbo, it also probably has tons of turbo lag in addition even after you get it past that.


My first post in this thread I said that people were confusing terms, and said what the proper term was.

You still show nothing useful.
Try using real world examples that most non mechanical gammers can use.
If looking for instant responce the the smaller turbo is applied, if entering a corner followed by a short straight to another corner the medium turbo is applied, if driving a track that allows the use of staying in the high gears for the majority of the track the the larger is a good bet!

 

[Tornado]

So when I say waiting on power from the turbo is turbo lag, I'm wrong.
When Tornado says waiting on power from the turbo is boost threshold and turbo lag, he's right.

No. You say turbo lag is when the turbo does not give the engine power until you rev it to a certain RPM. I say turbo lag is when the turbo hesitates to provide power after you have achieved that RPM.

• A turbo can have a crappy powerband and not have particularly notable turbo lag (Though I can't think of one that would. Perhaps a really high revving engine with a small turbo).
• An engine can have a fantastic, wide torque curve and absolutely ridiculous turbo lag (Neon SRT-4).
• An engine can have a wide torque curve and non-intrusive turbo lag (which most modern turbocharged engines have).
• And, most importantly because it very likely applies for the example you brought up, an engine can very easily have a narrow powerband and bad turbo lag.

Put another way, before a turbo reaches its boost threshold, the turbo won't turn on. Turbo lag is how long it takes to turn on after it is actually able to. There is a positive correlation between the two, in the sense that as boost threshold increases the amount of turbo lag tends to increase, but they still aren't the same thing.

You still show nothing useful.
Try using real world examples that most non mechanical gammers can use.

I don't see how explaining it in terms of turbine sizes like you have is any more "useful" than explaining it in terms of engine RPMs. Particularly when most of the people in the thread have already been speaking in terms of RPMs anyways.

 

[phil_75]

Eeyup.


Does that mean that the people who said they suffer from turbo lag were actually describing turbo lag when they brought them up?


Nope.


You can be right about something and still not have any idea what you are talking about. And considering several people have mentioned normally aspirated cars as suffering from turbo lag just because they have a narrow powerband, my statement doesn't seem out of place in the slightest.

The Honda VTEC was a classic!

Some people don't have a clue!
💡

 

[shirakawaa]

By the way, can the boost gauge in GT5 actually show turbo lag? Even though on very few cars the lag is relatively noticeable (note: I am aware of the difference with the boost threshold) by looking at the time it takes for speed to start increasing quickly after flooring the throttle, the boost gauge always jumps to the max in no time.

It's been like that since it was introduced in GT2 and I'm wondering if it's supposed to work like that (unfortunately I don't have any real life experience with high boost turbocharged cars to confirm it).

 

[Toyzri]

No. You say turbo lag is when the turbo does not give the engine power until you rev it to a certain RPM. I say turbo lag is when the turbo hesitates to provide power after you have achieved that RPM.

• A turbo can have a crappy powerband and not have particularly notable turbo lag (Though I can't think of one that would. Perhaps a really high revving engine with a small turbo).
• An engine can have a fantastic, wide torque curve and absolutely ridiculous turbo lag (Neon SRT-4).
• An engine can have a wide torque curve and non-intrusive turbo lag (which most modern turbocharged engines have).
• And, most importantly because it very likely applies for the example you brought up, an engine can very easily have a narrow powerband and bad turbo lag.

Put another way, before a turbo reaches its boost threshold, the turbo won't turn on. Turbo lag is how long it takes to turn on after it is actually able to. There is a positive correlation between the two, in the sense that as boost threshold increases the amount of turbo lag tends to increase, but they still aren't the same thing.


I don't see how explaining it in terms of turbine sizes like you have is any more "useful" than explaining it in terms of engine RPMs. Particularly when most of the people in the thread have already been speaking in terms of RPMs anyways.

Maybe you are good with turbo application compaired to other people in the room but if you keep it in term that you and people of your caliber understand then you are going to run into conflict. Most gammers don't understand the difference between torque and horsepower but will use the terms in a question looking for an answer to their delima. In the game you have Turbos 1, 2, and 3. not much detail pertaining to their operating ranges. Try looking at it from a gammers angle and not the mechanics.

 

[Bottoz]

Exactly Toyrzi.

Keeping it simple, with a picture is wrong.
Giving a dissertation on the subject is right (according to Tornado).

I got it now.

 

[Toyzri]

Exactly Toyrzi.

Keeping it simple, with a picture is wrong.
Giving a dissertation on the subject is right (according to Tornado).

I got it now.

You have the function of a turbo correct I think you just missunderstand the the way it is applied.

 

[Smuttysy]

*wonders how many people in this thread are thinking Tornado is just trolling?*

I understand exactly what people perceive (key word) as turbo lag and the actual definitive example of it. Even Clarkson himself mentioned the words turbo lag when referring to the FQ Mitsubishi's inability to pull away from a certain revs at a certain speed. This too is not accurate to the true definition of the terminology, but it is representative of what most people understand the consequence of the term to be - none, or little, response to an input command from the throttle pedal.
That is the general perception of the term, not the actual dictionary definition of it.

 

[Tornado]

Exactly Toyrzi.

Keeping it simple, with a picture is wrong.
Giving a dissertation on the subject is right (according to Tornado).

I got it now.

Being wrong is wrong.


I explained it in what may be the simplest way possible several times, then provided specific examples to try to explain it better. Short of attempting to use metaphors for an explanation that may very well just confuse people further, I don't think there is any other way to go over it.

Maybe you are good with turbo application compaired to other people in the room but if you keep it in term that you and people of your caliber understand then you are going to run into conflict.

I would hope that most of the people on this forum understand what RPMs are, and engine revs are the only particularly complicated concept in every attempt of an explanation I made. I already pared back the explanation to the extent that it wasn't completely accurate, and I will not go any further because the only thing doing so will do is give people an incorrect impression of what the terms mean.

*wonders how many people in this thread are thinking Tornado is just trolling?*

Another award-winning contribution to this thread by the self-appointed ruler of Proper Participation in threads.

 

[Greisen]

The Nascar that you were driving in the seasonal event on Indy.(cant remember the name) It has a great turbo lag. Not so much power at love RPM but just when you were halfway through the corner it just did everything in its power to kill you Such a fun car to drive!

 

[Toyzri]

Being wrong is wrong.


I explained it in what may be the simplest way possible several times, then provided specific examples to try to explain it better. Short of attempting to use metaphors for an explanation that may very well just confuse people further, I don't think there is any other way to go over it.


I would hope that most of the people on this forum understand what RPMs are, and engine revs are the only particularly complicated concept in every attempt of an explanation I made. I already pared back the explanation to the extent that it wasn't completely accurate, and I will not go any further because the only thing doing so will do is give people an incorrect impression of what the terms mean.


Another award-winning contribution to this thread by the self-appointed ruler of Proper Participation in threads.

The term is no good if the person has no understanding how it is applied.

 

[Exorcet]

Think of lag having to do with time and not RPM.

If it takes x (x is large) RPM for the engine to go from crawl to run, it's not turbo lag.

If it takes x (x is large) seconds for the engine to go from crawl to run even if the RPM is near peak power RPM, it is turbo lag.

Assuming turbos,

If that engine goes from partial power to 100% of its power for a given RPM instantly at any RPM, it has no turbo lag.

If that engine takes a long time to go from partial power to 100% of its power at a particular RPM, it has turbo lag.

The Nascar that you were driving in the seasonal event on Indy.(cant remember the name) It has a great turbo lag. Not so much power at love RPM but just when you were halfway through the corner it just did everything in its power to kill you Such a fun car to drive!

That's not turbo lag. When you hit the gas at a given RPM, the engine will nearly instantly make the power predicted by the power band at that RPM. Can you even add turbos to stock cars?

 

[Smuttysy]

Another award-winning contribution to this thread by the self-appointed ruler of Proper Participation in threads.

It was posted as a joke, hence also the bold and blue, but I guess that slipped you by, along with the rest of the post. Never mind, shouldn't have thrown you the sugarcube.

If you took the time to read the rest of the post you'd probably understand the points I've been making.

By the way, I've never appointed myself as anything other than a member of a community forum with his own mind, opinions and beliefs. YOU have assumed something else based on nothing.

 

[Bottoz]

Being wrong is wrong...

All I've said is that waiting on power from a turbo is turbo lag. So this is wrong. Tornado I never said YOU were wrong... boost threshold and spool up and yadda yadda, I get it. I'm just simplifying it. Waiting = Lag.

I wonder how many people have experienced turbo lag first hand... and not just what they read on the internets?

 

[Toyzri]

From a mechanical point of view Turbo lag can be a result of several different problamatic points. Transmission gearing, injector or carburator sizing, differential gearing, even the suspension setup can add to turbo lag.

 

[shirakawaa]

I wonder how many people have experienced turbo lag first hand... and not just what they read on the internets?

I have, but only on small displacement turbodiesel engines. I don't have experience with turbocharged gasoline engines.

 

[Tornado]

The term is no good if the person has no understanding how it is applied.

Which is, amazingly enough, what I've been trying to do.



*shock and horror*

It was posted as a joke, hence also the bold and blue

Oh, I'm sure.

Absolutely no other way to take a sentence written in such a mocking way. Certainly not when other people have already been tried implying that I format my posts the way I do because I think I'm better than them.

If you took the time to read the rest of the post you'd probably understand the points I've been making.

Assumptions everywhere!

I read the rest of the post. Since it basically said "People get it wrong all the time, so it doesn't matter" I ignored it, because the cars in the list in the OP show why that isn't true.

By the way, I've never appointed myself as anything other than a member of a community forum with his own mind, opinions and beliefs. YOU have assumed something else based on nothing.

You've done nothing but bitch that I was trying to explain what turbo lag was rather than just listing cars to keep people from making similar "the Chaparral 2J has pretty bad turbo lag" mistakes, even going so far as to say that I wasn't contributing to the thread in the correct way. Seems like a pretty straightforward conclusion to make.

 

[Ecchi-BANZAII!!]

How to detect GT5 turbo lag
Hold Ebrake and throttle.
check the turbo tachometer as you rev it.
Also... I want to play GT5

 

[UFOcop]

The BMW 2002 Turbo '73 has some pretty horrible lag. Some of it could probably be lessened by a little more tuning, but I've got it where I want it.

 

[Crazed_Coupe]

Even a Honda CR-V '05 have a VTEC feel but none in GT5 have it and that CR-V was an automatic also...

Yes I know I've drove one before but even though no Honda in GT5 has a distinctive VTEC feel the power does increase at a certain RPM with most Honda's.

 

[Slash]

GT350R, Chevelle

 

[Crumpet]

I get a lot with my 1992 Celica, I actually like it though

 

[Onboy123]

GT350R, Chevelle

Ah yes, a N/A car having TURBO lag. Unless you mean modified, but then, why did you not say so…?

 

[Slash]

I should have said tuned. Oops my bad lol. Even with a supercharger the cars take a bit to accelerate until they hit the mid RPM range.

 

[Onboy123]

I should have said tuned. Oops my bad lol

You could turbo a Mustang? I always thought it was supercharged…

 

[Slash]

Read my post. Edited.


Supercharged. IRL tho you could probably turbo it