Logicool (Logitech) GT25 steering wheel...

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I have been told that M$ were not able to use the DFP or G25 for Forza 2 because PD &/or Sony have an exclusive arrangement with Logitech.

Others have said that M$ wanted control of any Forza compatible wheel so they could make money from selling it.

Anyone care to venture an opinion about these two, mutually exclusive theories?

Both the G25 and DFP are USB device which works on all pc and mac. MS right from the get go said there will be no 3rd part peripheral unless they get a cut of everything.

They "claim" it is a for of quality control but most of 360's peripheral I've seen is POS, and don't even talk about QC when their 360 RRoD every 4 months. The latest news is Gamstop just released a memo telling all store they will now stop selling replacement plan for Xbox360 as they are being bleed to death by the very well QC'd 360.....LOL

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They want more money, thats the bottom line.
 
I can confirm that the H-shift G25 works with the GT5 Prologue demo but, strangely, the paddles (which do work on the GT HD demo) don't.
The paddles behind the wheel do work in the demo. When you choose the GT-R, put the shift stick in sequential mode, not in the H-pattern and the paddles work. They also work with the Lexus and the Daihatsu.
 
I did try it in sequential mode without success – though the paddles do work in the GT HD demo... strange.

Can't really explain this, though I can't complain to Logitech, as I have somewhat modified my G25 :lol:

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I did try it in sequential mode without success – though the paddles do work in the GT HD demo... strange.

Can't really explain this, though I can't complain to Logitech, as I have somewhat modified my G25 :lol:

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Lotus Elise?
 
nice socks! :lol:

that's nurburgring, right?
Yep, the Nürnburgring. Everybody is making fun of my socks, that's not fair. :(

Rocket Punch
oh, nice. Who's pedal box is that?
That was my pedal box :). Those are my feet with my nice socks :dopey:
I sold this pedal box to an Austrian team who put this box in an authentic DTM Audi TT car. They use this car to go around in Europe, they've even been at the 'ring.

Now I get it. These pedals are from the English manufacturer BRD.


:)
 
Thats very impressive speedyK. I'd certainly never be able to do a conversion like that without accidentally stabbing myself in the heart with a screwdriver.
 
From what I understand, Microsoft is very tight with not allowing third party drivers for anything, which is why you won't see any Logitech or other wheels.

Both the G25 and DFP are USB device which works on all pc and mac. MS right from the get go said there will be no 3rd part peripheral unless they get a cut of everything.

How does this square with the possibility that M$ is losing money on their wheel? Why would they insist on exclusivity, making & selling something that loses them money?

As I said, a poster on a Forza website insisted that Sony had prevented Logitech from producing a 360 wheel. However, I find it hard to believe that Sony could dictate to Logitech in that way...

It certainly would be nice if the G25 & DFP were compatible with Forza: it is the main reason I did not buy a 360/Forza.
 
.....It certainly would be nice if the G25 & DFP were compatible with Forza: it is the main reason I did not buy a 360/Forza.

lol, same here + thr on going RRoD issue. Not sure if I will ever get a 360 now. :nervous:
 
lol, same here + thr on going RRoD issue. Not sure if I will ever get a 360 now. :nervous:
Don't rule out owning a Xbox quite yet... supposedly Toshiba and Microsoft are working on a brand new Xbox which may include many of the features that were missing from the 360, including support for games on HD DVD rather than just DVD as it is with the 360.

This would also give Microsoft an opportunity to completely re-design the new console to help resolve all the significant problems they have had over the current 360 designs.


Now I seriously doubt Microsoft will change their policy on the use of 3rd party peripherals with their consoles, just as I seriously doubt Microsoft will stop charging Xbox owners $50 a year or more for playing online even though they require players to host their own games, but anything is possible, and a new Xbox console, Forza 3/PGR5 on HD DVD and a G25 wheel would be lethal combination for any sim/arcade driving fan. 👍
 
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Toshiba said last week that rumor was not true.
Microsoft isn't going to let anyone else make money from the 360 & ever since the PS3 launched they have said that they would not have games on HD-DVD.
 
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Toshiba said last week that rumor was not true.
You may have missed the followup to that "story"...

Microsoft isn't going to let anyone else make money from the 360
It would appear that Toshiba isn't planning on selling a new Xbox console, only helping Microsoft to design and build it... and considering how poorly designed and built the 360 is, that would be a good thing. Remember, they are partners in promoting the HD DVD format.

ever since the PS3 launched they have said that they would not have games on HD-DVD.
Well Microsoft, like many companies say a lot of things when they know very well they have other intentions.

For instance, Microsoft also denied there was an Elite Xbox 360 in the works despite leaked photos of it appearing all over the internet... three months later the Elite was officially announced. :)

So not only is anything possible, but Microsoft as well as other companies understandably have already set a precedent for denying the existence of products that are in development.
 
While I think it would be a good idea to have the HD-DVD drive built in MS has been using the Blu-Ray drive to bash the PS3, saying there is no reason to have games on them, it's a game machine not a movie machine & it's the reason why it's so expensive.
They may have to eat a lot of their words but they already did that by telling core buyers no game will ever require a hard drive when I hear there are games coming out that will require the hard drive.

If they include a HD-DVD drive I may get a 360 but not until they can prove the build quality is as solid as my PS3's.
 
If they include a HD-DVD drive I may get a 360 but not until they can prove the build quality is as solid as my PS3's.
Sound advice. After all, the current 360 has enough problems already without having an internal power brick, HD DVD drive, TV Tuner card, and DVR... imagine all the problems a current 360 would have if nothing changed but instead they just added all those components. :eek:

I would think if this really is being developed, and it does end up supporting games on HD DVD, they would have to come up with an entirely new design, as games on HD DVD would also be limited to just this new Xbox, so I suspect they would even drop the "360" from the model name, not just to clearly identify the difference, but to distance themselves from all the negative press that the "360" has gotten for all of it's technical flaws…

But any way… there is already a specific thread to discuss that topic. I only wanted to point out that there is still hope for a future Xbox console that might support a G25 wheel. 👍
 
Once again DN, you are boggling my mind with a degree of technical information that I'm finding it hard to absorb. :boggled:

I realise that this may belong on the other thread, but bear with me here:

my understanding of the 360/PS3 war was that Sony has been criticised for bundling the PS3 with a blu-ray player, thus putting the price out of reach for many consumers & losing sales. Now, abruptly, M$ is being criticised for not including a HD player with the 360. :confused:

As the PS3 has come down significantly in price, it is now highly competitive with the 360, especially if it is to be used as a blu-ray movie player as well as a gaming machine. I had pretty much decided to go out & buy a PS3 in the near-future, thereby throwing my lot in with the blu-ray side. The prospect of M$ putting out a new & improved 360/HD player at the end of 2008/beginning of 2009 strikes me as being too little, too late. Does this mean that Sony's strategy with the PS3/blu-ray is turning out to be the winning one? If everyone has lost money to date with their respective technologies, will there be an eventual payback?

Finally, for a simple-minded techno-phobe like myself :dunce:, is now the time to get a PS3, & is the PS3 actually a decent, functional blu-ray player for movies?
 
is the PS3 actually a decent, functional blu-ray player for movies?

According to all the tests I've read, the PS3 is a very good Blu-ray player – it even can do 24p. The only criticism I've read is that it is a little noisy and that you need to be a remote control.

Can't say more as I've only used mine for GT HD and GT5 P D so far :)
 
Seeing as it's now obvious that there won't be a 'new' wheel released with GT5:P I bit the bullet and picked up a G25 yesterday.

Driving Force Pro vs. G25 is like chalk and cheese (mind you, my DFP has had a reasonably long and hard life). The G25's feedback is smoother, quieter and stronger with barely a hint of 'play' in the wheel. The pedals are a huge improvement over the DFP. It took a little while to get used to the increased resistance from the brake and clutch though. I know some people have commented that the gap between the brake and accelerator is too great - making it hard to heal-toe. I didn't find it much of an issue - plus it's more comfortable when left foot braking (rally etc).

The H-shifter adds another dimension to the overall experience. While it's initially a lot harder to use, it's also a lot more fun and quite rewarding when you get it right. My only gripe is the 'clicking' noise made when shifting gears, which is relatively much louder when compared to the rest of the wheel (ie FF motor noise).

Seemed much harder with Sega Rally Revo though :odd:. Nowhere near as aggressive as the DFP and far less responsive when changing direction. Perhaps something I just have to get used to. :indiff: The Dirt demo wasn't much better. That said I haven't tried tweaking any of the FF settings in Dirt yet.

You can really tell that the G25 was the target peripheral for the PD devs. The improvement over the DFP is almost staggering. Definitely money well spent for me. :)

If a new/improved wheel becomes available with GT5 then I'll probably pick that up to. But this will do for the time being until GT5 is released next millenium.
 
MGR
Seeing as it's now obvious that there won't be a 'new' wheel released with GT5:P I bit the bullet and picked up a G25 yesterday.

Well I'm not that sure!!
I'll keep the DFP I have now until after GT5 comes out because I'm still expecting a PS3/GT5 wheel complete with a PS button!!
 
MGR: congratulations on the G25. I'm not sure how huge an improvement it is over the DFP, but I only used the DFP for a short time before getting my G25. Certainly the weight & solidity of the pedals is a big difference, & the leather-wrapped steering wheel is just so much nicer than the nasty rubber of the DFP... :)
 
MGR: congratulations on the G25. I'm not sure how huge an improvement it is over the DFP, but I only used the DFP for a short time before getting my G25. Certainly the weight & solidity of the pedals is a big difference, & the leather-wrapped steering wheel is just so much nicer than the nasty rubber of the DFP... :)

Cheers Biggles. My DFP was getting on a bit - had it since GT4 launch and it's had a pretty hard life. I know someone that bought a DFP a couple of years after I bought mine - and I can remember thinking that it felt 'tighter' than mine. I'm not sure if it was an internal re-design or just the fact that it was new that made it feel better. Either way the jump from my old DFP and the G25 was brilliant.
 
G25 is a great buy.

It might be a bit hard to justify if you just buying it for GT5 but for many people who also play PC sims a lot, its a no brainer.
 
I realise that this may belong on the other thread, but bear with me here:
👍

So many questions, but I'll try and answer them as briefly as I can, but not so brief as to not offer anything useful in respone. :)

Also, so as not to derail this thread any long, beyond this I'd suggest we take it to another more appropriate thread.


my understanding of the 360/PS3 war was that Sony has been criticised for bundling the PS3 with a blu-ray player, thus putting the price out of reach for many consumers & losing sales. Now, abruptly, M$ is being criticised for not including a HD player with the 360. :confused:
I suspect the recent criticism of MS is mostly based on the poor quality fo the 360's design, but yes, many also have critized MS for not designing the 360 to support games on HD DVD. Before the PS3 came out, I suspect most didn't realize how large games have gotten, and that using a 10+ year old optical disc format that developers were already maxing out before the 360 was even released was a very poor decision in terms of offering a console with any hope of longevity.


As the PS3 has come down significantly in price, it is now highly competitive with the 360, especially if it is to be used as a blu-ray movie player as well as a gaming machine.
Apple to apples, the PS3 has always been the better value, as an equally equipped 360 would be nearly twice the cost of a PS3, but yes, now with the PS3 being even lower in price, and not only having a Blu-ray player for movies, but more importantly for many... much bigger games, and free online gaming and server support.


I had pretty much decided to go out & buy a PS3 in the near-future, thereby throwing my lot in with the blu-ray side. The prospect of M$ putting out a new & improved 360/HD player at the end of 2008/beginning of 2009 strikes me as being too little, too late.
Possibly, but as many have said, MS is really in a tough sport, as they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They certainly have next to no chance of ever recouping their $7+ billion dollar losses from the Xbox & 360 if they do not make a significant change... but a significant change will also likely alienate much of their current 360 customer base.


Does this mean that Sony's strategy with the PS3/blu-ray is turning out to be the winning one?
Well that remains to be seen. The only real winner financially right now is Nintendo, and by a wide margin at that, but the Wii is such a unique design, it really can't be accurately compared to either the 360 or the PS3, and as such, many Wii owners also have either a PS3 or 360 as well.

That said, there is a reason one often hears the tale of the tortoise and the hare, and that the first one out of the gate is not always the one to win the race. Only time will tell for sure, but financially, Microsoft’s Xbox divisions is by far the worst off, and by a massive margin at that... the good news is, MS makes so much money from their business and software divisions that at least for the time being, they can afford writing off over a billion dollars every year in hopes to monopolize the console market.

Considering though how poorly the 360 is selling compared to the PS2 and Wii, I, and may analysts suggest Microsoft will have to either completely re-o their console hardware design and marketing, or else pull the plug on hardware and focus all their efforts on selling highly profitable software.


If everyone has lost money to date with their respective technologies, will there be an eventual payback?
Traditionally, that's been the business model of the console industry. Lose money in the beginning, and make up for it in software sales once the market is saturated.

Sony lost a lot of money on the PS2 initially, but with 25 million sold in the first two years, and huge software sales, that changed rapidly, and even today, the PS2 is still selling extremely well, even outselling both the 360 and PS3 most months, and is still a money machine for Sony.

The Wii is breaking that rule as they decided rather than make a truly next-gen console, to go cheap, and make a fun family friendly party console... and it's paying off in spades!


Finally, for a simple-minded techno-phobe like myself :dunce:, is now the time to get a PS3, & is the PS3 actually a decent, functional blu-ray player for movies?
The answer is an easy yes. Heck, it was a yes for me last year after comparing the Blu-ray playback functionality and performance of the PS3 to the $1,200 Panasonic Blu-ray player... and since then I have been enjoying the PS3 as a blu-ray player now for nearly a full year and couldn't be happier with it. 👍
 
Too much money. I love GT and having a wheel. But 250$? That's more then half the cost of a PS3 and the cost of a Wii(assuming I can find one :D ). But too pay that much for a wheel. I'm having a hard enough time justifying the expense for the PS3 alone(getting it after the holidays).

I'll get the older DFP and be happy...and have money left for the game. heh heh.
 
Too much money. I love GT and having a wheel. But 250$? That's more then half the cost of a PS3 and the cost of a Wii(assuming I can find one ). But too pay that much for a wheel. I'm having a hard enough time justifying the expense for the PS3 alone(getting it after the holidays).

I'll get the older DFP and be happy...and have money left for the game. heh heh.

I can tell you that the amount of money spent on the G25 relative to the amount of time I spend using it, makes the G25 wheel a bargain compared to any of my other hobbies...
 
I can tell you that the amount of money spent on the G25 relative to the amount of time I spend using it, makes the G25 wheel a bargain compared to any of my other hobbies...

And that's a very fair statement. But I'd much rather put that 250$ towards a bass or drum equipment. Again, just a personal thing.
 
You know that pedal problem with the DFP pedal potentiometers, causing inability to reach 100% throttle or constant braking (or some combination of both)? Is this problem fixed w/ the G25, or will it occur under extended use like the DFP? It is such a hassle to fix it!
 
From what ive seen and red in this thread the G25 looks like something i want to get soon. The H pattern shifter alone is worth it to me :P but where the frill do you mount it? dose it have clamps like the wheel?
 
got my g25 today and a simulator seat. the game feels so much better with it now. Even if i only ever use it on gt5 and no other games i'd be satisfied with my purchase.

I've tried using the g25 with dirt and f1 championship with dirt being probably too hard to control and f1 actually being not too bad but steering does feel a bit weird. gt5:p has by far made best use of the g25 out of games i've played.
 
You know that pedal problem with the DFP pedal potentiometers, causing inability to reach 100% throttle or constant braking (or some combination of both)? Is this problem fixed w/ the G25, or will it occur under extended use like the DFP? It is such a hassle to fix it!
The latest model of the DFP doesn't have that problem anymore. Logitech changed the pot meters in the latest model. The G25 doesn't have that problem either.
 
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