Longest-running automotive model name
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m5, you just got 0wned by diego 
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Super Jamiem5, you just got 0wned by diego
Naahhh... it's all good fun. Either way, I did make a few mistakes in my prior posts, where I said the Golf was the best selling car ever, it's not. Omnis got it right, it's the Corolla. The Golf has sold roughly 22 million units since 1974, while the Corolla has sold about 27 million since 1966. I also found something on the longest running automotive model name, and it's supposed to be the Morgan 4/4, although I'm not completely sure it's still in production. Anyone?
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HEY WOW YOU'RE RIGHT! 
the morgan 4/4 started production in 1935, and from what i can find has been in production ever since, using a variety of engines, mostly fords, currently using a rover 1800. not to be confused with the morgan +4 or +4+ or +8
which is dead even with the suburban
http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/index_frames.html
http://www.motorbase.com/manufacturer/by-id/72/
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/car_info_morgan.htm
PS: corollas are the best
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the morgan 4/4 started production in 1935, and from what i can find has been in production ever since, using a variety of engines, mostly fords, currently using a rover 1800. not to be confused with the morgan +4 or +4+ or +8
which is dead even with the suburban
http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/index_frames.html
http://www.motorbase.com/manufacturer/by-id/72/
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/car_info_morgan.htm
PS: corollas are the best
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actually, if you look at the webpage of this californian morgan dealer, they say the 4/4 came out in 1932
http://www.morganwest.net/history.html
http://www.morganwest.net/history.html
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M5Power
Alright, in the post previous to my complete explanation of the Mustang, you said
So the whole explanation is of the Mustang; the launch of the Mustang until its first year. In the post I said that the first Mustang was sold between April of 1964 and the last 1965 model, since they're all supposed to be the first model; therefore, the 65 model year spans from April of 1964 until the introduction of the 1966 model.
You said you'd disprove me in the fact that the Mustang is not the fastest selling car IN ITS FIRST YEAR, meaning that at the year of its launch. In your words: All-new models.
So you get 20 months of "1965" sales? I did a little snooping and found that Mustangs made from April to September 1964 are indeed considered 1964.5 models - by car people, owners, and Ford itself. This just backs up what I think everyone already knew on the subject anyway.
I think the Chevrolet Trailblazer beats it though (and in half the amount of time) - it easily sold 270,000 in 2002, and that doesn't include its two 2002 twins, the GMC Envoy and Oldsmobile Bravada, with which sales would top 330,000. I'm trying to think of other cars which would take down the Mustang, too - I wouldn't be too surprised if the Ford Five Hundred manages that in 2005 - depends how long they let the 05 model sell for. Chrysler's '05 300 will be on the market around 18 months, since it came out in like February, but Chrysler sales are never as high as Ford's.
I think the Chevrolet Trailblazer beats it though (and in half the amount of time) - it easily sold 270,000 in 2002, and that doesn't include its two 2002 twins, the GMC Envoy and Oldsmobile Bravada, with which sales would top 330,000. I'm trying to think of other cars which would take down the Mustang, too - I wouldn't be too surprised if the Ford Five Hundred manages that in 2005 - depends how long they let the 05 model sell for. Chrysler's '05 300 will be on the market around 18 months, since it came out in like February, but Chrysler sales are never as high as Ford's.
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There's a saying in Spain which I'll try to translate... maybe there's an equivalent of it in English, but I can't think of it right now. It says that "whatever is the same isn't cheating"... meaning that if you do something and get it right, whatever it is, I can do so. Hence, I want a credible source as to where you got that info, other than word of mouth.
In the clarification before the actual sources, I state the fact, but still, you don't believe it. Look at it this way, new model year cars are usually launched in September of the previous year. Ford went a step ahead and did so in April of the previous year. The Mustang was launched in 1964 as a 1965 model, that's a fact. The first unit rolled off the assembly line on 9 March 1964. It was launched this early because (I think I'm not mistaken here) Lee Iacocca got the green light on it in 1962 and had only 18 months to design and produce it.
Be it or not, you asked for web pages and credible sources. I ask the same. It's true that what we know as the 1964.5 model and the 1965 model have minor differences, but they still count as the 1965 model. I think I proved my point beyond expectations with more than enough credible sources. The point is that you can't disprove the fact that the Mustang is the fastest selling first-year new model car. Another point for the Mustang in this case was that at the time it didn't have any direct competition, since the Camaro and sister Firebird didn't come out 'til '67.
Why don't you just accept you were wrong (as I did with the VW sales) so we can move on to the next subject. As I said before, and I'm only writing this because you didn't seem to get it, I consider this matter settled. You were proven wrong beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't mean to sound harsh, but the "nice" way to say it escapes my knowledge.
In the clarification before the actual sources, I state the fact, but still, you don't believe it. Look at it this way, new model year cars are usually launched in September of the previous year. Ford went a step ahead and did so in April of the previous year. The Mustang was launched in 1964 as a 1965 model, that's a fact. The first unit rolled off the assembly line on 9 March 1964. It was launched this early because (I think I'm not mistaken here) Lee Iacocca got the green light on it in 1962 and had only 18 months to design and produce it.
Be it or not, you asked for web pages and credible sources. I ask the same. It's true that what we know as the 1964.5 model and the 1965 model have minor differences, but they still count as the 1965 model. I think I proved my point beyond expectations with more than enough credible sources. The point is that you can't disprove the fact that the Mustang is the fastest selling first-year new model car. Another point for the Mustang in this case was that at the time it didn't have any direct competition, since the Camaro and sister Firebird didn't come out 'til '67.
Why don't you just accept you were wrong (as I did with the VW sales) so we can move on to the next subject. As I said before, and I'm only writing this because you didn't seem to get it, I consider this matter settled. You were proven wrong beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't mean to sound harsh, but the "nice" way to say it escapes my knowledge.
It seems that Mustang enthusiasts but not Ford think the 1964.5 and 1965 Mustangs are different. Which is stupid, because everyone knows the original Mustang (April-September 64) was indeed different than the next one, since the Fastback didn't appear until its second year, 1965.
I still maintain that the Chevrolet Trailblazer outsold the Ford Mustang in first year vs. first year competition. If it lost (which I'm only saying because I cannot find 2002 model year data, though I stand by 270,000+ sales), it lost by no more than 6000 units, and that's only due to the fact that the Trailblazer's first year was about 13 months, compared to the Mustang's absurd 20-month streak. We can reach these conclusions:
- the Ford Mustang is not the most popular vehicle in its first 20 months
- the Ford Mustang is not the most popular vehicle in its first calendar year
- the Ford Mustang is possible only the most popular vehicle in its first model year because it had the longest model year in automotive history to claim such a title
Furthermore, it comes down basically to how you define the production of the Mustang. If it came out in 1964.5, there's no question I'm right. If it debuted in April 1964 and went to December 1965 as a 1965 model, things become hazier - but you claim only 260,000 or so sales, which I still believe was outdone by the Trailblazer. Did the Mustang fastback come out in the Mustang's first or second year of production?
I still maintain that the Chevrolet Trailblazer outsold the Ford Mustang in first year vs. first year competition. If it lost (which I'm only saying because I cannot find 2002 model year data, though I stand by 270,000+ sales), it lost by no more than 6000 units, and that's only due to the fact that the Trailblazer's first year was about 13 months, compared to the Mustang's absurd 20-month streak. We can reach these conclusions:
- the Ford Mustang is not the most popular vehicle in its first 20 months
- the Ford Mustang is not the most popular vehicle in its first calendar year
- the Ford Mustang is possible only the most popular vehicle in its first model year because it had the longest model year in automotive history to claim such a title
Furthermore, it comes down basically to how you define the production of the Mustang. If it came out in 1964.5, there's no question I'm right. If it debuted in April 1964 and went to December 1965 as a 1965 model, things become hazier - but you claim only 260,000 or so sales, which I still believe was outdone by the Trailblazer. Did the Mustang fastback come out in the Mustang's first or second year of production?
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You must be a taurus, right?
It still comes back to what you'd define as first or second year of production. The fastback came out in september 1964.
Either way, the Trailblazer may have sold 270.000 units, as you state (without backup data) but if you check one of the pages I sent you (namely, the karmustang.com one), you'd see that even if we didn't include the fastback version, the sales of the Mustang in its first 20 month year still reach more than 600.000 units. Seriously, did you take the time to look through the pages I quoted, or just snooped over them?
You know what? I feel I can get through to a brick wall better than with yourself. I'm giving you fact after credible fact and still you're stuck in the same denial. Don't believe me, believe the numbers. Fact is, I think I've already stated enough points on this subject. Next subject, please!
M5Power
It still comes back to what you'd define as first or second year of production. The fastback came out in september 1964.
Either way, the Trailblazer may have sold 270.000 units, as you state (without backup data) but if you check one of the pages I sent you (namely, the karmustang.com one), you'd see that even if we didn't include the fastback version, the sales of the Mustang in its first 20 month year still reach more than 600.000 units. Seriously, did you take the time to look through the pages I quoted, or just snooped over them?
You know what? I feel I can get through to a brick wall better than with yourself. I'm giving you fact after credible fact and still you're stuck in the same denial. Don't believe me, believe the numbers. Fact is, I think I've already stated enough points on this subject. Next subject, please!
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Diego440
I think he's a Gemini...
Also, I thought the longest-running car model was the Morgan?
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Surbuban.
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I found a site with "car superlatives" and it says the Morgan 4/4 is longest-running-automotive name, since 1935. Although Super Jamie linked a page of a California dealer which says they started production in 1932. Either way, my money is on the Morgan 👍
M5Power, I don't think the argument is even worth it. We're both stuck in our ideas and nothing shown or said makes us disprove each other, so let's just leave it at that.
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My birthdate is in my profile and yet you're still wrong! I think.
I thought this was too good to be real (it may sometimes get cheesy, but it's just for effect). I took this off this site:
Taurus
April 21-May 21
[...] A Taurus never tires of waiting, a sign with truly endless patience. Taurus is responsible, reliable, honest and practical. Taurus is sensual and loves luxury, they love to be spoiled [yadda yadda yadda].
Taurus is symbolized by the bull. Your ruling planet is Venus and your element is earth. If you are a Taurus, you have a great deal of passion and loyalty. You have a gift for being direct and have no trouble remaining grounded. While you are quick to anger, you are just as quick to forgive. You are extremely stubborn and determined, which makes it hard for you to understand viewpoints that differ from your own. Your best romantic matches are Libra, Scorpio, and Capricorn.
Sorry for going so off topic on this, but I thought it was really funny.
M5, just so it's perfectly clear, I am NOT making fun of you.
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M5PowerMy birthday's May 22 though...
As stated earlier, I knew you were a Gemini...
Also, I remember reading in the Guiness Book of World Records that it was the Morgan 4/4, but that could be the longest running production model -- not necessarily the longest-running automotive model name...
Great, now I'm confused...
