loosing the backend and resulting swerve at high speed…

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I chalk the "feedback" issue to the lack of all the senses you can't use without a full-simulation cockpit. No G-forces mainly, along with vibrations and sounds that real life has yet to see a rival for. (In driving simulation)

I agree completely, but they could have done a better job with the FFB. There have been several cases where I can hear the tires squealing and visually see the car oversteering, but I'm not feeling any slip through the FFB at all. The FFB changes due to increasing/decreasing G forces, but there is no slip. Now when the front tires unload, it's usually a whole other story, and feels quite natural. It's different for different cars though.

Also, I don't think the FFB strength value makes much difference at all. That option seems to be more of a stiffness type of setting, rather than something that actually changes the force or dynamic range of grip effects (unless I just haven't stumbled across the magic combination of values yet).
 
I wasn't doubting him, I was just curious as to why it is so low. There's gotta be some real mellow cams in that thing. Unless it's rally a tugboat motor and he's not telling us haha!
 
In GT Legends, I can hardly drive the 427 Cobra unless I take some lock out of the rear, or it is all over the place with oversteer.

The one in GT5 is exactly the same. With a fully locked rear diff, it will kill you on a dime just like the real one would. :D

I love driving it though. With no TCS or ABS it's a handful, as it should be.

I wasn't doubting him, I was just curious as to why it is so low. There's gotta be some real mellow cams in that thing. Unless it's rally a tugboat motor and he's not telling us haha!

Probably sucks a TON of air/fuel down low, but doesn't rev higher than 5500 or so...would be my bet.

Fun as hell from light-to-light and expensive on rear tires. :)
 
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Have to use the scramble hands madly method - try it in real life:)
You can save it if you react quick enough and don't allow the car to slip into too much angle


I started to change down at about 100mph and the back end let go about 90mph.

I now stay in 5th and go through the corner about 100mph.

Someone on SELOC described it as "incompetant arm waving" :o)

I'll admit it wasn't very elegant but it was all over in about 4 seconds and I was very happy with the end result!



 
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The best part was that the Lotus driver had it all fixed after two quick turns, then just went a little more....
I've had the rally incident happen to me already, 93 Formula = trailing throttle oversteer like you wouldn't believe.
Never ended up like the lotus yet though. :)
 
The only car I've really had this problem with is the FGT, once that's gone there's no getting it back. Everything else has a tendency to slide but unless you're going kamikaze down a Nurburgring straight they're pretty easy to get back under control. I'm using DS3 with TC 2, ASM off, ABS 1.
 
This thread goes completely around the described issue into off topic area.

The phenomenon, I described has nothing to do with certain cars (apart from drive layout), nothing to do with power (and certainly not with power oversteering or your moms 1969 tuned Camaro getting wheelspin in 3rd gear on the supermarket parking lot), nor is it connected to input devices or users abillities.

The issue, I described is about the cars behavior, after loosing traction on the powered rear axle due to a) traction differential between tarmac and touched curb or even grass b) partly traction loss due to stiff setup, riding a bump.

The traction loss goes into the car swerving it's rear end (absolutely brilliantly implemented btw).

But now comes the issue:

The car usually does not behave as expected, when countermeasures are applied, which would under normal conditions 1) slow the car down 2) ease the swerving and finally getting full control of the backend, as both rear tires catch traction again.

The issue in fact is, that as soon, as the car is put into the swerving status, it will continue to do so, even when slowing down considerably (way under 100 km/h).
It does swerve it's backend excessively independent on actual speed or counter steering, which is confusing (it happened at speeds way under 100km/h and as well at high speed to the same extend).

I drive usually without TC, ABS 1, all other aids off as well, so driving aids should not be the cause of the described issue. I did not investigate the issue deeply in trying to get all different cars out of control, but on the few occasions, it happened, it was a quite surprising (and annoying) behavior, that came unexpected.

For the record, I am not a 14 year old kid, contemplating about advanced racing simulators physics engines ;-) … so please leave comments regarding this out of the thread and think about the described issue.
 
This thread goes completely around the described issue into off topic area.

Actually, I thought this thread was one of the more on topic and interesting discussions I've seen on these boards. Aside from a very few OT but cordial comments, where did we go worng?
 
I agree this happens. It happens to me alot, going off the road just a bit (due to low skill levels).
Even touching the curve at high speed results in a tank slapper.

What is the best way to recover? (in the game - not IRL).

I have tried slamming on the brakes, easing off the throttle, goosing it a bit.

Anyone have an idea on the best way to recover from this?
 
You put an Olds 455 into a firebird, and it had 335 hp and put out 560 ft/lbs...? I've never seen a big block with that kind of power curve...
Yep. It took some doing to get it in there but after some careful measurements I designed some adapters to allow the engine to bolt up to the stock mounts of the firebird and the tranny bolted right up.

The numbers I quoted came from a Chiltons manual so I assume they were accurate. It felt that way I have had a few cars with HP in that area but the torque in that 455 was amazing. You could literally just tap the throttle a little and break loose even a 1/4 inch throttle if given quickly would make the tires scream for mercy and it you punched it hard you might need some new tires if you did not let up.

The funniest thing was the first time I let my wife drive it. The look on her face the first time she touched the throttle was priceless :)
 
Yep. It took some doing to get it in there but after some careful measurements I designed some adapters to allow the engine to bolt up to the stock mounts of the firebird and the tranny bolted right up.

The numbers I quoted came from a Chiltons manual so I assume they were accurate. It felt that way I have had a few cars with HP in that area but the torque in that 455 was amazing. You could literally just tap the throttle a little and break loose even a 1/4 inch throttle if given quickly would make the tires scream for mercy and it you punched it hard you might need some new tires if you did not let up.

The funniest thing was the first time I let my wife drive it. The look on her face the first time she touched the throttle was priceless :)

I had an olds delta88 convertible 73' with the 455... It was a monster. 6mpg.
 
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