LSD tuning

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How do you guys tune your LSD settings for drift? I usually just leave it stock. But I heard tweaking the LSD will help in drifting. Anyone has any advice? For example, if I have a 300hp rwd car, how would you tune it. Thanks.

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if your not sure how to tweak it get a 2-way lsd
sry i can't help any more than that since im not much of a tuner
...look in the settings depot and just tweak it little by little from there
 
Initial Torque: 30

Accel: 40

Decel: 20

Play around with it. The higher you set the Accel setting, the more yer tires will spin around when you accelerate. The higher you set the Decel setting, the more yer tires will spin when you brake.

*basic version*

You see, Swift!? I can be a normal person too! :dopey:
 
You really need to search before you make new posts.. even though it is an important topic naturally it has been covered before.

The LSD is a massive part of drifting, expecially for your low powered cars.

Here's and explanation originally posted by. "rsmithdrift"

rsmithdrift
Ok, GT4 has this ticker at the bottom in the tuning menu that explains the setting at hand and how to use it. But I'll post anyways for those too lazy to read it, also I'll explain it alot better than they will.

Note: this is long so for the short version just read the notes. But if you want to understand why, read it all.

You have it totally backwards. You're sort of right on how an LSD works but wrong with how to tune it in game.

This tuning is make or break with drifting so getting it right is crucial. This may explain why you keep having wheelspin understeer, lack of speed, and snap overcorrection problems. A tight LSD makes the car alot more stable, adds alot more throttle control, and will make the car hold its speed better while drifting, but locking it will mean that the car will not turn w/o wheelspin and looses some manuverability. Having a loose LSD will create the opposite effects and make the car alot more manuverable and alot easier to wheel spin but alot harder to get oversteer, too loose will cause "peg legging" or one wheel burnouts and consequently, understeer. Go buy a '83 Nissan 300zx and don't modify its diff. Then try to drift it to feel what an open diff feels like.

Also, the reason lowering your accel setting makes burnouts easier is because you're "peg legging." And the different LSD's like the 2 way doesn't mean locked all the time. 1 way means that it only works under accel and is open during decel. 1.5 way means that it is normal under accel and very light under decel. 2 way means that you have the same moderate amound of LSD affect under acceleration as you do under deceleration. In all cases the amount of acceleration LSD affect is the same.

Now back to the actual tuning in game.

Initial Torque: This setting determines the responsiveness of the LSD's application. A higher setting means more responsive and tighter at rest. (at rest meaning when no accel or decel force is being applied) I try to keep this between 10 and 30. (depending on car at hand) Setting this too high will cause the car to loose manuverability but will make drifting a little easier. This also is a factor in total strength of the LSD. Example, if initial is set at zero there will be no responsiveness so therefore you will have no LSD effect (i.e. open diff). If you set this at 60 (max) your LSD will be locked all the time and will not need to respond to accel or decel, if you do either of these the accel and decel settings become irrelevant.

Note: intial affects both accel and decel. Increasing this will make your car looser during wheel spin, but tighter all the rest of the time(i.e. understeer), and will also decrease manuverability.

Accel: This setting determines the max strength the LSD is capable of producing during acceleration. The minimum setting (5) means open diff. The max setting (60) means locked diff. I run this between 40 and 60 for drifting. Don't set it above 40 for racing! The tighter this is the more stable your car will be under wheel spin and the more throttle control you will have over your drift and more control in gerneral. Warning: locking the diff means you will not be able to turn the car under acceleration w/o wheel spin, this is why you keep it midle range for racing, lock for show drifting purposes only.

Note: increasing your accel setting will make the car looser and more stable during wheel spin. If your car feels too twitchy while drifting, increase your accel settings.

Decel: This setting determines the max strength the LSD is capable of producing duing deceleration. The minimum setting (5) means open diff. The max setting (60) means locked diff. I run this between 10 and 20. The tighter this is the more stable your car will be under braking. Warning: don't set this very high or you will create understeer while braking making braking drifts impossible. Also, don't set this to zero or you will get "peg locking" or one wheel brake or e-brake lock which will also create understeer and also make braking drift impossible.(You ever see a F1 car lock up the inside front tire? Well it happens in the rear too) A low value will be perfect for locking both rear wheels with e-brake application or large rear brake bias w/o out creating understeer while braking.

Note: increasing this will make the car more stable under braking, but too much will create understeer. Also, none at all can create understeer as well.

Take a read of that, and go from there.

Captain Trips
You see, Swift!? I can be a normal person too! :dopey:
Comments like that are why we think your abnormal, But ill leave it at that. Do not reply. stay on topic.
 
also, decel is important for braking drifts. Too high and you can not do them. to low and one wheel will lock making them impossible.

Basically read the guide by rsmithdrift i did and now i understand. great guide 👍
 
You need a HIGH RPM Transmission setting for the Accel Setting to come into full play. Also, don't expect it to do all the work for you. You gotta have a fairly high HP engine or else your car will just die around corners.
 
So looks like I should try to set the initial and accel higher. I will give it a try. I don't get this semi-rule about not making new threads on the same topic, people will have different answers and different approaches to the same question. I don't see how making one more thread is going to use that much more bandwidth.
 
nos2
I don't get this semi-rule about not making new threads on the same topic.
Because we're a bunch of crabby old farts, that don't like it when new guys don't follow the rules :). The different opinions and views on the topic would of obviously been discussed in the first thread about the topic, wants the point on making a new one?

But lets continue the thread on topic.
 
Captain Trips
Initial Torque: 30

Accel: 40

Decel: 20

Play around with it. The higher you set the Accel setting, the more yer tires will spin around when you accelerate. The higher you set the Decel setting, the more yer tires will spin when you brake.

*basic version*

You see, Swift!? I can be a normal person too! :dopey:

Wrong Wrong, and Wrong....

Upping the LSD accel increases the amount of grip, it doesn't make your wheels spin more... Raising the LSD decel increases the cars tendency to grip when off the accelerator... You just have it backwards...





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Delphic Reason
Wrong Wrong, and Wrong....

Upping the LSD accel increases the amount of grip, it doesn't make your wheels spin more... Raising the LSD decel increases the cars tendency to grip when off the accelerator... You just have it backwards...

....But won't a high accel setting allow the wheels to keep spinning smoother when you already have them 'hanging out there'?

I either just go with a 1.5 way or tune like this personally (my default):

Init: 10-20 (15), too high and the car feels jerky and stiff to me, personal preference I guess
Accel: 35-45 (40), depending on power/torque output and feel of the car.
Decel: 10-20 (10), I find I adjust this to comply with the car's weight balance and suspension setup.. I like my drift cars to be loose when braking, so I generally add weight to the rear, soften the rear suspension and keep decel LSD low.
 
Ske
....But won't a high accel setting allow the wheels to keep spinning smoother when you already have them 'hanging out there'?

I either just go with a 1.5 way or tune like this personally (my default):

Init: 10-20 (15), too high and the car feels jerky and stiff to me, personal preference I guess
Accel: 35-45 (40), depending on power/torque output and feel of the car.
Decel: 10-20 (10), I find I adjust this to comply with the car's weight balance and suspension setup.. I like my drift cars to be loose when braking, so I generally add weight to the rear, soften the rear suspension and keep decel LSD low.

That's about how I tune my LSD.
 
Swift
That's about how I tune my LSD.

Actually, that seems to be preferred ranges for the majority here.. So I guess you could call them the "recommended" ranges, though stuff like 50/50/10 sort of worked for me when I started up using the d-pad. When I started drifting again after a couple of months away from GT4, those settings felt weird though... 15/40/10 definitely feels "smoother" when drifting with a wheel.
 
Delphic Reason
Wrong Wrong, and Wrong....

Upping the LSD accel increases the amount of grip, it doesn't make your wheels spin more... Raising the LSD decel increases the cars tendency to grip when off the accelerator... You just have it backwards...





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I know you know this, but I don't want it to confuse people. A higher initial will make the LSD tighter all the time, a higher accel will make it tighter during acceleration, and a higher decel will make it tighter during deceleration.

Tighter doesn't necessarily mean more grip. It means that the two wheels are spinning at closer to the same speed. Which means that you will loose manuverability (understeer) and it will be harder to break grip, but once you break grip you will loose grip more than if the lsd was looser. In other words it makes the opposite extremes farther apart. Also you will have much better FORWARD DRIVE with a tighter LSD because of the wheels moving closer to the same speed.

Hope that clears some muddy water.
 
most of my cars go something like this with a little tweaking, but try starting with this. ( using DFP )


init. = 10
accel.= max ( locks the differential making both rear tires slip evenly )
decel = 13

works for me. may not work for you. just dont drop the decel below 10. this may not be proper LSD tuning, but it works pretty well as a default for me. then i assess the situation, and tune further to my liking.

this seems to work better for feint and powerover than it does for braking drift. tends to understeer more under braking drift. good luck! 👍
 
rsmithdrift
I know you know this, but I don't want it to confuse people. A higher initial will make the LSD tighter all the time, a higher accel will make it tighter during acceleration, and a higher decel will make it tighter during deceleration.

Tighter doesn't necessarily mean more grip. It means that the two wheels are spinning at closer to the same speed. Which means that you will loose manuverability (understeer) and it will be harder to break grip, but once you break grip you will loose grip more than if the lsd was looser. In other words it makes the opposite extremes farther apart. Also you will have much better FORWARD DRIVE with a tighter LSD because of the wheels moving closer to the same speed.

Hope that clears some muddy water.

Indeed... I should have said, raising the LSD Accel gives the car more useable grip (more lock), which allows you to better utilize that traction to move the car forward through the drift (depending on power to weight/tire choice)... Too high a setting will make the car much harder to turn... Raising the LSD Decel decreases the cars tendency to slip when off the throttle, because of the LSD's deminished useable grip (more open)... Too high a setting causes the dreaded snapback everyone seems to have trouble with...

I tend to use 10, 40, 15 as a base... Although, I have quite varied LSD settings to cater to the vastly different handling characteristics of different vehicles in GT4... Everything from 14, 42, 14 to 20, 50 22... I also use 2-way LSD's from time to time, on certain cars... My G35 is running a 2-way...





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Well, finally tried it out today, on the Toyota GT1. :D I upped the initial and accel settings and kept the deccel settings stock. Right now my LSD settings is 40/50/20, it works great. I also added the front camber to 4.0. Much easier to kick the tail out. But one thing I noticed is the snap back during countersteer is worse, but I guess that's cuz I'm using DS2.

 
nos2
Well, finally tried it out today, on the Toyota GT1. :D I upped the initial and accel settings and kept the deccel settings stock. Right now my LSD settings is 40/50/20, it works great. I also added the front camber to 4.0. Much easier to kick the tail out. But one thing I noticed is the snap back during countersteer is worse, but I guess that's cuz I'm using DS2.


Toyota GT1 Race Car drifting..............That's just plain wrong, man.
 
rsmithdrift
Toyota GT1 Race Car drifting..............That's just plain wrong, man.

You wholly and unerringly captured my exact thoughts rsmith. But, whatever turns his crank... I guess.


I wouldnt say the snapback is caused by the DS2 nos2 - just from poorly timed and/or poorly moderated steering inputs (and a silly choice of cars - you make GT4HERO proud :lol: )
 
I thought the pic looked ok.. but I've always had a soft spot for that car (Toyota running through my veins, pumped by a Rotary ;) )..
looks better in red, or at least have shinnier rims so you know where they're facing.

I'd probably increase the Decel a little to reduce the snap, though the Initial looks a little high to me?..


LOL@GT4HERO.. he got off pretty lightly (or is he banned now?) I think. It took him less than 2 hours to blow his top..

Even I was offended, as a member of this elite society, and that's no easy feat! lol!!
 
KaiZen
I'd probably increase the Decel a little to reduce the snap, though the Initial looks a little high to me?..

Wrong way around... Raising the decel would increase the snap, not decrease it...





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hmmm.. you sure? (stupid question lol).. doesn't increasing the Decel allow the wheels to rotate closer to the same speed under deceleration reducing the chances of having uneven traction?.. hmmm.. pondering..

I've always increased the decel to increase stability under braking or lift-off situations.. so I still think I'm right.. lol!
 
I don't see the problem with drifting a race car, it's fun to drift high hp cars around. Anyways, the reason I said the snapback is cuz of the DS2 is it's really hard to control the amount of steering on the joystick. And with the steering wheel you kinda feel the car more (because of the force feedback), with the DS2 you just feel the controller shaking. And about the Deccel settings, I will try messing with it tomorrow when I have time. Thanks for the input.
 
KaiZen
hmmm.. you sure? (stupid question lol).. doesn't increasing the Decel allow the wheels to rotate closer to the same speed under deceleration reducing the chances of having uneven traction?.. hmmm.. pondering..

I've always increased the decel to increase stability under braking or lift-off situations.. so I still think I'm right.. lol!

I'm absolutely positively sure... Go test it out... When you raise the LSD decel it allows the car to regain grip faster when off the throttle... When you lower the LSD decel, the car will keep sliding after you release the throttle... Therefore, lowering the LSD decel (depending on weight, torque, tire choice, so on) keeps the car from regaining grip and snapping back... Of course you don't want to lower it too far, as that will make it difficult to keep the car on the track, as well as link corners with any kind of accuracy... Lowering the LSD decel is a great way to fix understeering problems in some cars, as well...





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