Mac and PC Price Differences Grow, Does it Impact Your Purchase?

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It doesn't look like the Macs are. But the Dells do use them.

All Mac monitors, iMacs and Macbook displays are currently IPS, which I presume are the ones Danoff are quoting. I'm aware Dell do use IPS, I've considered picking up one of there 24" monitors for some time but I don't think they are that cheap, may be wrong though.

Either way I wouldn't use an Apple Cinema Display, they do cost too much for what they are.
 
It's baffling to me how Apple sells any of these.

To be honest, i not sure if they do. I've not seen a Mac hooked up to an Apple monitor for a decade or so, and in my industry Macs are almost exclusively used. I think Apple monitors are probably bought more by those who buy into the whole image more than those who just use Macs as a tool. Those that do like the image are probably more inclined to opt for an all-in-one iMac, which leaves only a small group of potential customers. I'd be interested to see the figures for sales of Apple monitors to those of Apple towers or Minis. I'd expect a very low ratio of monitor sales.
 
Whatever the specs, nobody can argue that Macs are generally very expensive. Feature this, feature that, it's still more expensive and you simply can't get it cheaper. I'm not down with paying for a bunch of stuff I don't care about. At that point I'm simply paying for bouncing icons with spotlights underneath them, and an engaging system backup feature.

My Photoshop was free and legal by the way, and the guy I got it from is more than happy to format, clean, repair, or build any sort of Windows computer for anyone who has $75. I don't know a single person who can build me a Mac for half what I can buy it at the store.

The reason Mac doesn't offer a stripper model to compete directly with basic PCs is because they don't need to. People buy them anyway, that's understood. But most people don't. Most won't until the money thing gets straightened out, no matter how feature-packed and smooth running and stylish a Mac is. They're simply too expensive, and I'm sorry but a whoopee cushion widget just doesn't make up for the price difference.
 
I think it's fairly disgusting how Mac ownership has come to be synonymous with fanboyism or simply 'doing it for the brand image'. I've never met anyone who's bought a Mac based on image value, simply because it's far too large a premium to justify. That and the people who would justify it based on brand image alone tend to be unintelligent enough that they're scared by a computer without a start menu.

However, people do buy Macs based on the fact that they're shiny and aesthetically pleasing. And that's not something I think you can judge people for doing - if you're going to do that, you can paint everyone without a 1998 IBM Thinkpad with the same 'image biased' brush. Of course we buy things that are pretty - it's human nature.

What seems to get on everyone's nerves is the insinuation from the traditional user that 'Macs are best', 'Macs rule all', 'All your bases are belong to Jobs' etc. Which I'll admit does happen... quite a bit. Not least from Apple's marketing department.


As for me, the image issues haven't tarnished my love for the OS. Mine's being repaired... again, and I'm currently using a perfectly acceptable Windows 7 PC that does pretty much everything my MacBook does, and only set me back £300ish. But it's the little things I'm missing the most. Screenshots, for example - I'm used to a simple keyboard shortcut for cropping and saving them to the desktop in an instant. Does 7 have anything near as quick and easy? No. I've also just bought an HD camcorder. Does Movie Maker include compatibility for AVCHD? Does it ****. That said, I've just bought a TV card and Media Centre is 1000 times better at doing anything useful. And this'll quite happily accept a Blu Ray drive while Mr Jobs is still brandishing it as the work of Beelzebub.

There are of course hardware difference too. Aside from feeling all upmarket and aluminium-ish, supposedly Macs are better made, but I'm not so sure. Mine's been stuck in a bag and taken hither and dither for 365 days of the year, but I'm still not convinced of the build quality. Ignoring what it's currently in the Apple store for (which, like the past 2 faults, have technically been Zurich's fault), the case around the screen decided to form fairly nasty fractures - simply because of the way it was designed. Clearly someone in Cupertino thought it'd be a good idea to treat the delicate edges of the screen like a 10 year old treats a plastic ruler; bending them repeatedly until eventually something snaps. Similarly, the case around the DVD drive is particularly prone to bending inwards and preventing the disk from ejecting - mine actually arrived from the factory in that state.

What's annoyed me the most is Apple's moneygrabbing tactics, however. The time has pretty much come for me to upgrade, but I'm finding that £1300 gets me less of a MacBook now than it did when I bought mine. Taking into account the natural progression of processor speed and decreased storage costs, a 15 inch Pro does indeed come with less. Matte screen, for example - mine has one as standard, but Apple now want £41 for the privilege. Mine has a DVI monitor port and was bundled with a VGA adaptor, but now Apple has changed to 'mini display port', I have to buy 2 extra £21 adaptors to do the same task. Same story with the remote - another £15. So that's £98 on top of the list price just do have a system that matches my own 3 year old base model. And that's before we even consider the fact that mine has a dedicated graphics card - you'll have to fork out another £200 for a model with one of those.

Anyway, I'll stop ranting now, but that's pretty much the situation as I see it.
 
I'm a huge Apple fan since the Mac Plus in 1988. I have a soft spot in my heart for them purely on the strength of the OS and great free software (as a muso and general creative type, Garageband is worth a mac laptop over a PC by itself imo), but have also noticed the hardware getting less tough, more dollar-saving (for Apple) and consumery (lack of ports etc) which annoys me. I like the prettiness however. Really wish they'd put a freaking 2nd mouse button on though. Hate the current trend away from tactile buttons you can use without looking at a screen/surface, and you now have less feedback you've clicked something in the right place (iPad/iPhone/new mouses/gesture stuff on trackpads which don't have a really clear mouse click anymore, you can press it by accident). Minimal doesn't always equal EASIER. Buttons are ok, they give fantastic tactile feedback. Apple are a bit too scared of them.

The only reason I really need a new Mac is I have 2 Mac-formatted HDDs with loads of old data I absolutely need a Mac to do anything useful with. Garageband stuff, mac apps etc. I'm kinda locked in, but using my old XP PC in the interim.

But I like OSX because its cleaner (minimal pop up text boxes asking for constant okaying unlike Windows, apps don't automatically install crap all over the place, and simply deleting their folder is usually enough to uninstall them properly).

PCs I'm fine with, but I don't feel inspired to use them. Anti-virus software just makes my otherwise perfectly adequate PC CRAWL with no responsiveness.

I'm not an Apple apologist or tragic despite thinking the OS and software in general is far superior. I didn't warm to the iPad, for me it needs to be a fully functional computer that can run normal apps, and do everything a normal computer can do for the price. Jobs was saying it would replace netbooks in that in-between laptop and phone catagory. Sure, a netbook is a CRAP user experience, but at a pinch they ARE fully functioning stand alone computers with a very compatible OS you can use for work, uni, music recording, infinite uses - the only wall you run into is they're a bit slow. You shouldn't need to own another computer to sync an iPad to if its really supposed to be the breakthrough in computer design Jobs has touted, and not just a very nifty coffee table gadget to show off to mates.

The Mac laptops are the pick, and actually GREAT value considering the software you're getting. The desktops, especially Mac Pros are stupidly overpriced though. The amount Apple charges for extra RAM, HDDs, accessories etc is criminal.

Yet I want a new Mac laptop. Mainly as its a great portable recording studio, to plonk down wherever music gear is set up. For that ability, its worth the price alone.
 
I've used Macs since I bought my first computer (back in 1996) based on the recommendation of the only friend who knew a lot about computers. He insisted that Apple had a vastly superior OS, which was probably true at that time. Of course, at that time Apple was also wobbling on the verge of collapse & was saved, in part, by an injection of cash from M$.

As my Macs have always performed the job asked of them, I have had no need to switch. Over the years, I have constantly heard of people complaining of having problems of one sort or another with their PCs. I can honestly say I have never had a problem of any sort with any of my Macs - desktops or laptops.

It's obvious to me that PCs have, for some time, been as capable as Macs in pretty much every way, & are considerable cheaper, however, in the scheme of things, the cost difference of a few hundred dollars is insignificant given the important, constant role the computer plays in my business & personal life. It's just easier for me to stick with the simplicity & familiarity of OSX. Furthermore, that fact that every time I buy a new computer, as with most electronics products, I am automatically getting way more for my money than last time I made a purchase, makes me less concerned about the price difference between a Mac & another PC.

It's ironic that in the late 90's Michael Dell was regarded as a marketing genius for having grabbed a huge piece of the PC market by aggressive pricing & marketing, & Steve Jobs was regarded as clinging to a failed concept. Now, only a decade later, Jobs is seen as a marketing genius whose single-minded vision led to the creation of one of the premier "brands" in the world, a brand that allows Apple to command premium prices & turn profits far higher than any of the competition.
 
I have used both Windows computers and Mac computers my whole life, from Windows 95 to whatever Mac had at that time. I've also got plenty of experience with both OSs since then, and I've come to the conclusion that I really prefer Windows.

I like Windows, it hardly crashes for me, hardly gets viruses, I prefer the control layout because I use it more often, and, here's the deal breaker, it can just do more stuff. Almost any program out there was designed for a Windows computer, and thus will work better on a Windows comp than a Mac. I can also play games without needing to set up an emulator, so that's even better.

Yes, the Macs are more friendly, but I know my way around a computer. I can do anything on a computer short of scripting, patching, and true networking. So, I like a computer that I can use that knowledge, and occasionally need to use that knowledge to get things done. Which is perfect.

And then there's the price, and the range of computers you can get, but by this point, I'm already on the PC side.
 
Whatever the specs, nobody can argue that Macs are generally very expensive. Feature this, feature that, it's still more expensive and you simply can't get it cheaper. I'm not down with paying for a bunch of stuff I don't care about.
Which was exactly my point. :) Regardless of value-for-money, 1500 euro is 1500 euro. And I can get a notebook for my wife to browse, mail and download stuff for under 500,- The main reason I got an MBP myself is because I actually needed one (software development for iPhone, iPod Touch and Mac).

There are of course hardware difference too. Aside from feeling all upmarket and aluminium-ish, supposedly Macs are better made, but I'm not so sure.
Judging from the problems with the unibody MBPs when they were introduced (GPU getting hot to the point the solder on the mainboard melted :p), and the recent screen problems with the introduction of the 27" iMac, I'd say Apple has its fair share of trouble. ;)

And I agree about Displayport being useless. Nobody uses it in the business world (need an adapter to hook it up to a beamer), and nobody uses it in the private world either (how about HDMI, so I don't need TWO cables to hook it up to a receiver or TV?).
 
Anyway, I'll stop ranting now, but that's pretty much the situation as I see it.
I was just looking up the Macbook Air and I noticed the things you said. Adapters that used to be standard and practical are now optional, and the video port isn't even DVI anymore. I read the article on the DisplayPort and I couldn't even figure out what it was, I've never heard of it before. Stupid idea. I see what you mean when you say they've made them less practical, with less options, for more money. You mean they've made them less practical, with less options, and for more money.
 
Eh. That Display port stuff really is annoying. We installed 22" Mac's 6 months ago, and had to buy "Mini-DVI to VGA' adapters to run a projector. Then the new 27" Mac's only have Mini-Display port. So that's some more $45 adapters I have to order. I can't remember off the top of my head but I think it's a similar situation the the Macbooks.

People buy them, and will continue to buy them. However, I do believe that they have put themselves into such a niche that they will never gain a significant more market share. Running Apple computers in a corporate environment is a nightmare, as is doing anything with it that Apple didn't design it to do.

They're a smart company though with smart marketing. They price the way they price cause they can. However, in my opinion they are continuing to attempt to enlarge their userbase by exercising complete control over the experience, as evidenced by the iPhone and iPad. I really believe they will eventually release a locked down OS, with an App Store and a totally controlled experience.
 
I'd love a Mac, but they are too expensive, and seem underpowered compared to similarly priced PCs.

I don't know if this has been already been mention, but I do not understand why Apple has not released a PC version of it operating system. I can see that any such move would harm their hardware business, but I'm sure that if their OS is as good as it is claimed, then they 'could' make just as much money by competing directly with Microsoft. I for one, would snap up a PC version of their OS in a heartbeat. 👍
 
I'd imagine a lot of the stability and efficiency of the OS is gained from NOT having so many combinations and permutations of parts - even though Macs are fundamentally made from normal PC components these days.

That is one reason why Apple may not offer a PC version of OSX, but their entire ethos and culture is just WAY too controlling, and they see the computer as a single entity for the end user - both hardware and software work together.

Apple briefly experimented with letting a few companies (such as Power Computing) release Mac 'clones' licensed to run Mac OS. This happened from '95 to '97. It didn't help them financially at all, no one bought them really and it just diluted the Apple brand. They haven't revisited the idea since.
 
And I agree about Displayport being useless. Nobody uses it in the business world (need an adapter to hook it up to a beamer), and nobody uses it in the private world either (how about HDMI, so I don't need TWO cables to hook it up to a receiver or TV?).

I was just looking up the Macbook Air and I noticed the things you said. Adapters that used to be standard and practical are now optional, and the video port isn't even DVI anymore. I read the article on the DisplayPort and I couldn't even figure out what it was, I've never heard of it before. Stupid idea. I see what you mean when you say they've made them less practical, with less options, for more money. You mean they've made them less practical, with less options, and for more money.

Eh. That Display port stuff really is annoying. We installed 22" Mac's 6 months ago, and had to buy "Mini-DVI to VGA' adapters to run a projector. Then the new 27" Mac's only have Mini-Display port. So that's some more $45 adapters I have to order. I can't remember off the top of my head but I think it's a similar situation the the Macbooks.


Well that's it. The mini display port is presumably just another thing to make a little more cash. It could be argued that they just wanted a smaller port etched into the side of their notebooks, but if that was the case, what exactly is wrong with HDMI?
 
Does the price difference end up effecting your purchase decision, or do you just accept that as something that "happens?"

At home we've recently installed an Appli Mini pc and it is absolutely brilliant. It was rediculously cheap though, compared to other Mac hardware. Personally I do want a Macbook badly, but I refuse to pay over twice the amount of money for half the performance. (Or even lower than that) Your pretty much paying doulbe the amount just for the Apple logo, because OSX is definitly not twice as good as Vista Windows 7, or XP for that matter.
 
At home we've recently installed an Appli Mini pc and it is absolutely brilliant. It was rediculously cheap though, compared to other Mac hardware. Personally I do want a Macbook badly, but I refuse to pay over twice the amount of money for half the performance. (Or even lower than that) Your pretty much paying doulbe the amount just for the Apple logo, because OSX is definitly not twice as good as Vista Windows 7, or XP for that matter.

Why then, do you want a MB "badly"?
 
Just popped in to say that I'm becoming increasingly concerned about the quality of Apple Store repair jobs.

Mine went in a few weeks ago for a new logic board, and came out with a keyboard that refused to type capital 'U's, had sporadic issues with the any key surrounding the letter 'K', and had developed a screen that had to be repeatedly slapped before it would operate correctly.

So, I've just got back from having those issues fixed and guess what: it's developed a new one! The ambient light sensor now seems to be spazzing out, which in turn makes the keyboard backlight flash uncontrollably and the screen fade in and out like I'm in a WW2 film blackout scene.

Considering it's 100 miles to my nearest Apple store and back (a journey I have to complete twice every time I want something repaired), I'd kinda like to have a fully functioning laptop after each visit. And now I don't want to take it back in case the thing they ruin next time is something vaguely important, like say, the hard drive. URGH.


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I paid 1400 for my iMac. It's a lot of money, but in my opinion, it pays for itself. In the year I've had this Mac, the family PC has gone in to get fixed 3 times, and is slow as hell.
 
Why then, do you want a MB "badly"?

It's a very well designed piece of kit. That new touchpad is brilliant, and there are loads of little touches that make it so desirable.
 
I bought a Mac over a Windows machine for the same reason that I bought a Fiat 500 over a Kia Picanto.

Have you ever been in a Kia Picanto?
 
I bought a Mac over a Windows machine for the same reason that I bought a Fiat 500 over a Kia Picanto.

Have you ever been in a Kia Picanto?

:lol:!

Best. Analogy. Ever.


And not to taint that wonderful quote, but I've just discovered that the Apple store appear to have stolen half my MacBook's screws. Awesome.
 
And not to taint that wonderful quote, but I've just discovered that the Apple store appear to have stolen half my MacBook's screws. Awesome.
You should probably go back and demand that they fix it correctly or give you a new computer and transfer your data. It's their fault for not fixing it, not yours. Stop fiddling around like a polite Mac user and take care of business.
 
Why then, do you want a MB "badly"?

Because I'm not after a high performance laptop. Second, I find OSX easier to work with than XP, and it doesn't take long to get used to either. Third, I love the designs. HPs, Dells, ACERs, they all look the same; big, black boxes. Even though they are getting smaller, a Macbook is still like half the size of a PC. And don't get me started on the mini PCs like the ASUS Eee PC, because they are absolute rubbish.

Yes, I don't think a Macbook is "that good" for that kind of price. But that's how Apple people are; paying double the amount for something completely different because they can, and want to. And I happen to be one of them.
 
I bought a Mac over a Windows machine for the same reason that I bought a Fiat 500 over a Kia Picanto.

Have you ever been in a Kia Picanto?

More like a fully-loaded regular MINI Cooper compared to a bare bones Civic SI
 
And don't get me started on the mini PCs like the ASUS Eee PC, because they are absolute rubbish.

No. Don't even get me started because my 900HA can run anything short of Half life 2. And do anything I want or need.
 
Linux

It's fast, really fast, but you're gonna get an up close and uncomfortable view of the inner workings. Not much to break, but when it does you might want to be able to do it yourself.

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Windows

Not as fast as linux, but it has some nice conveniences. When it breaks you might be able to fix it yourself, depending on what broke.

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Mac

Not as fast as... anything - but it has all the bells and whistles. You don't buy one of these to go fast, you buy it because you want to be coddled. You don't want to have to worry about what gear you're in - the chauffeur takes care of that for you. When it breaks, you don't even think about fixing it yourself. It's damned expensive, but to those who want it, it's worth it.

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Each one is a valid choice. It depends on what parameters are important to you.
 
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I'd just like to throw in another thing there: that Porsche would be fast if you didn't have to stick McAfee/Norton/AVG's traction control on to stop it unexpectedly crashing one day.

;)
 
No. Don't even get me started because my 900HA can run anything short of Half life 2. And do anything I want or need.

My friend has an Eee PC and it's slow as hell compared to my 4-year old Dell Vostro. It tends to freeze up on him, and he's already cracked the screen. (Though that might be more his fault than the hardware's)
 
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