Madden 08 - 30fps on PS3

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July Hardware Figures
Xbox 360 170k
PlayStation 3 159k
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Well, in June (in US) the difference between x360 and PS3 was a 100k! Now just 11k, and next month? :) On the japanese market, the Xbox never had a chance against PS3 (2007 Sales: PS3 = 560.131 / XBOX360 = 130.431, source: media create)

And my comment to Madden 08:
The preseason is running and that makes me wanna play some football myself. And since Madden 08 is the only choice for Next-Gen consoles, chances are good for buying this specific one.
Even though I own a PS3 and a Xbox360, I prefer this game on Sony's console. The fact that it's running with only 30fps don't bother me much.
 
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Digital-Nitrate... grow up.
 
Of course one must also wonder how many of those X360's were sold as temporary replacements for malfunctioning X360 and then returned.

What's most interesting is that the PS2 continues to outsell X360 and PS3. I realy don't think we will ever see a console as popular as the PS2.

Anyone have any accurate European console sales data for July?

How about the PS3/Xbox360 sales in Canada, our tiny population should be recognize. :grumpy:
 
X-Play gave Madden 08 a 3/5 across the board last night (except for the PS3 version, which they didn't look at), which is the same score they gave All Pro 2K8 despite 2K8 lacking some major gameplay-related selling points (franchise mode, notably). They also had some funny commentary of the whole "2K5 outsells Madden, EA fixes the problem" fiasco.
 
That was quite funny. If they make an All pro Football 2K9 they need to add every feature imaginable since gameplay and retired players can't sell the series alone. More teams, deeper team creator. The game they released was over priced , under featured and should have been $40. Madden needs to buy Visual concepts :) NBA 07 dug a deep hole for EA and 2K8 will out do Live again..
 
How about the PS3/Xbox360 sales in Canada, our tiny population should be recognize. :grumpy:
OK, found some reliable numbers for console sales in Canada for the month of July:
Code:
Wii 36K
PS2 20K
PS3 15K
360 13K
It appears the PS3 outsold the 360 everywhere but in the US for the month of July... although the Wii and PS2 outsold them both... which tells you a lot about the effect lower cost products have on sales numbers. :)

Of course total console sales is the question and for July here is what VGCHARTZ reported for the three new consoles:
  1. Wii 1,039,152
  2. PS3 344,076
  3. 360 238,235
Code:
Wii   235,363 Week 1
Wii   282,355 Week 2
Wii   262,994 Week 3
Wii   258,440 Week 4
Wii 1,039,152 Total

PS3    60,469 Week 1
PS3    90,820 Week 2
PS3    86,027 Week 3
PS3   106,760 Week 4
PS3   344,076 Total

360    60,437 Week 1
360    58,261 Week 2
360    57,775 Week 3
360    61,762 Week 4
360   238,235 Total
So it appears over 100,000 (44%) more PS3's were sold in July compared to 360's.

Unless Duck/EWillis has some contradictory data that shows otherwise, it appears indeed that the PS3 (and even the PS2) outsold the 360 for the month of July, and by a very comfortable margin at that.
 
OK, found some reliable numbers for console sales in Canada for the month of July:
Code:
Wii 36K
PS2 20K
PS3 15K
360 13K
It appears the PS3 outsold the 360 everywhere but in the US for the month of July... although the Wii and PS2 outsold them both... which tells you a lot about the effect lower cost products have on sales numbers. :)

Of course total console sales is the question and for July here is what VGCHARTZ reported for the three new consoles:
  1. Wii 1,039,152
  2. PS3 344,076
  3. 360 238,235
Code:
Wii   235,363 Week 1
Wii   282,355 Week 2
Wii   262,994 Week 3
Wii   258,440 Week 4
Wii 1,039,152 Total

PS3    60,469 Week 1
PS3    90,820 Week 2
PS3    86,027 Week 3
PS3   106,760 Week 4
PS3   344,076 Total

360    60,437 Week 1
360    58,261 Week 2
360    57,775 Week 3
360    61,762 Week 4
360   238,235 Total
So it appears over 100,000 (44%) more PS3's were sold in July compared to 360's.

Unless Duck/EWillis has some contradictory data that shows otherwise, it appears indeed that the PS3 (and even the PS2) outsold the 360 for the month of July, and by a very comfortable margin at that.

Well seem like some solid numbers with the wii outselling both X360 and PS3 but I think once the novelty of the Wii is gone it will start slowing down. I am glad to see that Canada is doing its part against X360 and hopefully more people buy the PS3 for the end of the year and Christmas.
 
Well seem like some solid numbers with the wii outselling both X360 and PS3 but I think once the novelty of the Wii is gone it will start slowing down.
The Wii has been sold out at my three local Wal*Marts since launch. The PS3 and 360 both were plentiful in Wal*Mart by February (of '06 in the 360's case). I think it is safe to say Nintendo's licence won't be revoked any time soon.
 
I know, the wii is cleaning up out there because of the cheaper price and appeal to more "casual" gamers, I would consider buying a Wii but I have no room I would be able to play it in so i am content with my PS3.
 
I think it's great and not unexpected that the Wii is selling so well, and even just surpassed the 360 in the most consoles sold since launch with 10.6 million units sold. Even more impressive is that the Wii did it in just 8 months while the 360 has been available for 20 months.

To put it in perspective that's an average of 1.3m units a month compared to both the PS3 and 360 which have an average of only 500K a month... and based on last month's totals, while the Wii's and PS3 sales were off the average sales since launch by only about 20%, the 360 sales for July were off the average by nearly 50%, likely from the continued fallout over reliability problems and no price cut. I'm sure this will change with a possible new 360 build design and the upcoming price cuts.

As far as Wii sales go though, it really makes perfectly good sense. The fact that even the PS2 is outselling the PS3 and 360 shows there is a very high demand for a lot of people who can't afford the 360 and PS3, and to Nintendo’s credit they not only understood that, but by coming out with the Wii-mote and innovative family friendly games that offer a sort of social active party game atmosphere, they succeeded marvelously in attracting a wide audience. 👍

That said, I really don’t think it’s fair to even compare the Wii to the 360 and PS3. The Wii doesn't even play DVDs or offer any kind of high resolution graphics. Even the soon to be 7-year old PS2 has DVD playback and 1080i support so in some ways you could even say the Wii is a step back from the PS2.

If anything, the only thing that you could really clearly say is "next-gen" about the Wii is the Wii-mote. It would be foolish to even try and compare it to either the 360 or the PS3, as it is an entirely different product, other than it plays games… but so do a lot of things.

It is for this reason you often see people who own a PS3 and/or 360 also own a Wii. Yes, part of that is exclusive titles, but unlike the PS3 and 360, it offers games that are truly different… and let’s face it, cheap. With the hardware and software as inexpensive as the Wii and PS2 it’s really no surprise they are both still winning the so-called “console wars”.

But despite the Wii’s vast numbers, when it comes to popular (I’ll avoid using good in this example) games, like Madden 08, it is selling in far greater numbers on the 360 and PS3 and even the PS2 then on the Wii.

For example, look at the first week's sales for Madden 08 on all platforms:
Code:
360   889,072
PS2   546,403
PS3   204,025
Wii    57,247
So despite selling the same amount of consoles as the 360, the 360 edition sold over 15 times more than the Wii, and despite selling 6 million more consoles than the PS3, the PS3 edition sold nearly 4 times as many. Even the PS2 version sold nearly 10 times better, but then again, there are probably ten times more PS2s out there still being used.

It just shows that not only do many Wii owners own other consoles, but that when it comes to games not designed for the Wii, most Wii customers aren't buying it. 57,247 games is only about .5% of all Wii's after all.

Again, this is yet another indicator that the Wii really is in a category all onto itself, and only certain unique games are going to likely be big sellers on the Wii compared to the better known franchise games that come out on the 360, PS3, and even the PS2.

It is for this reason I am often reluctant to even compare Wii sales to anything but possibly the PS2 and really only then just because they currently are they best selling consoles. I really have a hard time imagining the Wii ever reaching PS2 type numbers as I think there is a high level of "novelty" in the Wii that is not likely going to allow it to maintain the same sales rate as the PS2.

For instance, the PS2 for the first six years had an average monthly sales rate of about 1.5 million consoles. Last month they sold .5 million. Since launch the Wii sales average is 1.3 million, and last month they sold 1 million. So even if all of a sudden Sony stopped making the PS2 today, at it's current sales rate, it would take the Wii 11 years to match PS2 sales. Now sure they might have a big jump in sustainable sales, but even so we are talking about many years, and I just don't see the Wii lasting that long, but you never know.

One thing is for certain, all of these consoles, including the PS2 continue to enjoy lots of support from consumers, at least based on current hardware and software sales. However, one still has to wonder, while Sony and Nintendo are making serious profits from Wii, DS, PS2, and PSP sales, how much longer can Microsoft be willing to lose over $1 billion dollars each and every year since they got into the console market six years ago?

They abandoned the Xbox which possibly could have been made to be a long lasting cheap profit generating product like the PS2, and they have shown no interest in getting into the highly lucrative portable "mini-console" market. Now with current 360 sales at half their average sales rate over the last 20 months, and despite good software sales, they are still losing a lot of money every quarter. Microsoft is going to need a great number of Halo 3 type of successful games to even have a remote chance of pulling out of the red in the next five years, if ever!
 
Even the soon to be 7-year old PS2 has DVD playback and 1080i support so in some ways you could even say the Wii is a step back from the PS2.
That however, ignores the fact that graphical power isn't only shown in resolution. The Gamecube couldn't do 1080i, for example, but only a fool would say that the PS2 (which really doesn't like to do 1080i that well, if GT4 is any indication) was more powerful than the Gamecube. I agree that resolution can be very beneficial to games, graphical power (which the Wii is technically short of, but not against the PS2) allows similar benefits, and allows the benefits to owners of non-HDTVs.
And while I thought that there was a hardware revision for the Wii in the woodworks that would allow DVD playback, I really don't see it as that big of a deal. Who doesn't own a DVD player these days? And other than oddball examples (PS3, PSX, Pioneer Laseractive), console/player dual pieces rarely achieve the same quality as a standalone piece at the same price (the HD-DVD drive of the X-Box 360, for example. Or pre-PSTwo PS2's). Also, as you said, many Wii owners also own 360s or PS3s, so why does it matter if the Wii has a DVD player or not? I don't think it really does.


But despite the Wii’s vast numbers, when it comes to popular (I’ll avoid using good in this example) games, like Madden 08, it is selling in far greater numbers on the 360 and PS3 and even the PS2 then on the Wii.
I think that is more of a demographic thing than anything. Even in the last generation, multiplatform games such as EA Sports titles were always outsold on the Gamecube by those on other systems (granted, that was, as now, partially due to the fact that EA half-assed ports to the Nintendo system, but the majority of the system buyers still played a key role). As you said, many owners of 360s and PS3s also own Wiis (just like last generation, again), so why buy the inferior version of an already poor game? And STH '06, as another example, would have been eaten up in huge numbers on the Wii had it been ported, but it suffered and died (more or less) on the 360 and PS3.



That being said, your point on Microsofts profit was very good, and I was very surprised when Microsoft "pulled a Sega" and dumped the XBox like a stone when the PS2 (and the Gamecube, I guess) were still selling. Especially when advances in technology possibly could have made them have a profit.
Though on the other hand, given the price difference between the XBox and 360 versus the PS2 and PS3, I'm guessing MS was worried that too many would ignore the 360 (with the tard pack proving to be worrisome. The base 360 wouldn't look to good with its HDD-less self when the normal XBox cost half as much and came with one. Especially with the worry over backwards compatibility that was looming over the 360 at launch) and just buy an XBox, profit be damned. With the PS2 and PS3, the price gap is much more noticeable, so I'm guessing Sony didn't see any of the risks as worrisome. So, maybe MS in hindsight took a safer (yet less profit rewarding) move.
 
You may have slightly misinterpreted what I was saying. I wasn't knocking the Wii for not having DVD playback, HD support, etc, I was only showing examples where Nintendo took an entirely different approach to the Wii and why it really shouldn't be compared to the 360 and PS3... other than its a type of console that was released around the same time.

It's price makes it appeal to a much wider audience, most of the games that sell well are still very much family oriented and largely targeted for a younger audience, and the games that will sell really well on the Wii are and will likely be quite different than the best selling games on the 360 and PS3.

All of this is evidence to why the Wii not only sells extremely well, but is really a different kind of console, and doesn't really compete against either the PS3 or 360.

It's only close competitor is really the PS2 in terms of cost, and having a lot of popular less expensive family oriented games available among their ever growing library of games.
 
I understand and agree with your overall point. I was just rebutting/commenting on a couple of minor parts of the whole.
 
Well seem like some solid numbers with the Wii outselling both X360 and PS3 but I think once the novelty of the Wii is gone it will start slowing down. I am glad to see that Canada is doing its part against X360 and hopefully more people buy the PS3 for the end of the year and Christmas.
I think Nintendo is playing their timing well to prevent this slow down. Currently they have hit big on the novelty of the Wii and managed to grab new demographics. The closest thing to a hardcore gamer's game has been Zelda, which was basically a very, very nice Gamecube port.

Now, as the novelty buyers all have them I know a few typical "hardcore" gamers that are getting ready to buy (or attempt to buy) a Wii because of Metroid, Mario Galaxy, and Super Smash Brothers. I have been surprised by the number of people I know that are waiting while still playing their older systems or own a PS3/360.


Then I believe Nintendo has another ace up their sleeve. Since launch they have kept giving glimpses of a gun peripheral where the Wiimote snaps into the barrel and the Nunchuck into the handle. This allows your thumb to control the thumbstick on the nunchuck, while your other hand is working the trigger, which depresses the B button. I am waiting for the first FPS to utilize this peripheral. I think if games properly implement this, combing light gun games and FPSs it will be a huge thing for Nintendo.

And no multiplatform game will do well on the Wii compared to the other guys. I own Madden 07 and Tiger Woods 07. They are both fun, but every now and then something in the controls just doesn't quite work, making it a glaring port. Too many multiplatform games have this problem, where they are built for 360 or PS3 and then remapped for Wii controls. For a perfect example, see Resident Evil 4. I was hoping for a quick point and shoot Resident Evil game, but instead got a complicated button combination just to bring my gun up to aim. I read one review that explained the shooting controls, which were exactly how Capcom also described them, and didn't even consider the game.


All that said, seeing that I have Madden and Tiger Woods, along with Wii Sports and Wii Play, it is obvious that I have mainly made it a sports simulator, which it works well as. Any sports games that translate well to the Wii controls will be bought for the Wii in my home. Currently my PS3 is my FPS, adventure, racing, graphical beauty machine.


And do not underestimate the novelty of the Wii. Just when I get into a PS3 game and begin to think the gimmick has worn off I play Wii Sports or Tiger Woods and work up a sweat again. As I feel that same mental/physical/emotional rush I get after a trip to the gym I realize there is more than just a gimmick here. Enter Wii Fit. I can't wait to see how that works out.

Then those casual gamers love their mini games. The success of Wii Play, Cooking Mama (why?), and various others has mini games coming out in a huge way. One I am actually looking at, and I know my dad will love, is Carnival Games. Yep, you actually wander around a carnival midway playing all the skill games. My dad finds it physically impossible to go to a fair or amusement park without blowing $20-$50 on these games.

The Wii's success is not going to be determined by multiplatform games. It will rest on third-party exclusives designed for the Wii. MySims is on my wife's want list right now. I read on Joystiq that Spore will be on PC and DS first, meaning a Wii version will translate very easily, as the Wiimote acts as a mouse/stylus replacement. I am waiting to see if I can get an RTS or Sim game because it will work much smoother than using a controller, and the latest firmware upgrade added keyboard support.

The Wii has a whole lot left in based on what games will only work on the Wii. As DN keeps pointing out, you cannot compare it to the PS3 or 360. It doesn't compete on the same scale, but will always be profitable as it will have advantages the other two won't. It sits on a different level than the other systems and the gameplay is all around different. I realized from the beginning I would have to have a Wii and at least one of the other two systems. My PS3 didn't keep my muscles from becoming under worked while it was too hot to golf, my Wii did that, and the lack of sore muscles after actual golfing is a testament to that. Now, if I can just hit the ball straight.....
 
Just rented Madden 08 and I can tell you it is a sad sad game.

My biggest compaint is why does everything lag? Nevermind the graphics look like high resolution PS2 graphics, I can live without great braphics, by why does everything lag?

There is a delay between switching plays. There is a delay when you audible. There is a delay when you make a move. There is a delay when you snap the ball.

There is a delay before everything and the game stutters and drops below 30fps on many occasions

And where is Madden? Instead there is some cheap announcer that wouldnt even make it as a high school football announcer

There is no hope for this game, they should take whatever code they have for this game and delete it and start from scratch.

IMO this wasnt even worth a rental. Sloppy game from a fallen company.
 
Sounds just like what many people were saying weeks before launch, EA has become lazy and is now not even regarded as a reputable gaming company. Too bad the only people who realize the flaws in EA's games (especially their exclusives licences) are the well informed and so called "hardcore" gamers. Average gamers who just want to play Madden football have to play sub-par games because they either have no choice or do not know.

When my brother bought Madden 07 for the PS3 he asked me to play so I did, instantly I noticed that the only place you can find John Madden is a small little picture while choosing plays (Ask Madden), not even his voice for commentating, how hard is it to do a voice over?
 
I rented Madden and returned it early. It is TERRIBLE. Even the menu design is atrocious. It took me a whole minute to figure out how to access the main menu.
 
I rented Madden and returned it early. It is TERRIBLE. Even the menu design is atrocious. It took me a whole minute to figure out how to access the main menu.

That's too bad. My oldest was looking forward to this game. He's a football game nut.

Currently he is enjoying the NCAA demo. He'll get a football game from Santa. It wont be this one, though. ;)
 
I rented Madden and returned it early. It is TERRIBLE. Even the menu design is atrocious. It took me a whole minute to figure out how to access the main menu.

Ha! Exact same thing happened to me couple weeks ago. I rented Madden 08, came home and started it up. First play after kickoff I quit, put the game back in the case and dropped it off back to the movie store. Came back home and popped in Madden 05. Plain and simple.
 
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