Makes you ponder . . .

[SandStorm]

I just had a thought that makes me glad to be here. Did you know, if your parents hadn't met when they did, you might not have been here?

Makes you think . . .

 

[GilesGuthrie]

My being here, now, is about far more than my parents meeting. Like is all a set of antecedents, responses and consequences, so you could say that about anything at all.

 

[SandStorm]

Well, yeah, but if yur parents hadn't decided to throw away the condom at that particular time, you wouldn't have been here, at least not in the same sense.

Think about that.

BF

 

[Magic069]

Originally posted by SandStorm
Well, yeah, but if yur parents hadn't decided to throw away the condom at that particular time, you wouldn't have been here, at least not in the same sense.

Think about that.

BF

Whats to say you couldn't have been born to someone else? Like you were meant to be born or created, right at that certain time in the universe, its just so happens your mom and dad were doing it at that time...

Or maybe you were always suppose to be your dads or your moms child, no matter who their sexual partner was....

What about that?

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Magic069
Whats to say you couldn't have been born to someone else? Like you were meant to be born or created, right at that certain time in the universe, its just so happens your mom and dad were doing it at that time...

Or maybe you were always suppose to be your dads or your moms child, no matter who their sexual partner was....

What about that?

That is very mystical, and why it's B.S. Egg and sperm unite to create a unique being. Each one brings it's own unique genetic code to the mix. You couldn't have been born to any one else, at any other time. To believe your assertion you'd have to imagine some great baby bank in the sky from which babies are assigned and dispensed according to a plan.

Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
My being here, now, is about far more than my parents meeting. Like is all a set of antecedents, responses and consequences, so you could say that about anything at all.

This is true. But the argument can also be taken in the opposite temporal direction. If your dad had never gotten the nerve to ask your mom out on that first date you'd not be here. If you're mom hadn't taken the time to freshen up and make herself look nice you might not be here. If your great great grand parents hadn't done the same you'd not be here. Focusing on one historical event over another doesn't make the realization any more or less meaningful or true.

I felt the importance of this for the first time maybe five years ago. I was looking at old pictures of my parents when they were still dating and I wasn't even a thought yet. It was a meaningful realization that my parents were (are) just people who met, dated, fell in love and got married, not unlike me. Then I came along (or, they brought me into their lives). But I sure wasn't the reason they got together.

Waiting for my son to be born has caused me to ponder this in a new light. I can remember when I met my wife, the first time we ever went out, how we occupied ourselves through the years. In a month we'll have a baby and that child will have no comprehension of us before him, untill later, when the story and cause of his life starts to sink in and becomes something to ponder.

 

[Magic069]

Originally posted by milefile
That is very mystical, and why it's B.S. Egg and sperm unite to create a unique being. Each one brings it's own unique genetic code to the mix. You couldn't have been born to any one else, at any other time. To believe your assertion you'd have to imagine some great baby bank in the sky from which babies are assigned and dispensed according to a plan.

True, as far as physical features are concerned, but what about your soul?

hehe, I am stretching here, I know.

I am in some type of weird mood today, as well as the rest of GTP it seems.

 

[milefile]

Soul... I'm not qualified to comment.

 

[Duke]

Of course you'd be different if your entire life hadn't turned out exactly the way it did. But so what? You wouldn't know you were different; because the person you're comparing yourself to wouldn't exist. So the question ends there, for me.

I spent an hour one time with a friend of mine discussing what numbers would be like if we had 8 fingers instead of 10, and how different that would make everything in society. He just couldn't get it through his head that it wouldn't be any different. Instead of being conditioned to think decimally, we'd be conditioned to think octally. Compared side by side, yes - the systems would be different. But fundamentally it would not affect our lives at all.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

How's this for a scenereo:

Your a 13 year old girl at your first party. You get intoxicated and eventally raped.

Your the black sheep of the family now that your pregnant, even though you were raped, your parents send you to detroit for the pregancy,... you have your baby, and he get's sent directly to the addoption agancy. 18 years later your reunited with your son. You and the boy confront the father who never knew he had a son. The father is a born again Christian, yet can't find the balls to accept the son into his life. He gives him a bible and tells him he can never speak to him again.

7 years later, you have a great relationship with the bastard child that should've never been,..... he knows how lucky he is that fate picked out his mother that fateful night,..... thats why he can type these words right now.

 

[axletramp]

My parents met and I'm still not all here...

 

[SandStorm]

Originally posted by milefile
That is very mystical, and why it's B.S. Egg and sperm unite to create a unique being. Each one brings it's own unique genetic code to the mix. You couldn't have been born to any one else, at any other time. To believe your assertion you'd have to imagine some great baby bank in the sky from which babies are assigned and dispensed according to a plan.

Exactly! You see, people, the scariest thought is, that if your Mum and Dad had happened to copulate one single day later, you'd be a whole different person, with a different chromosome and gene setup to the particular one you have now. You may have even been a female (or male, if you are female).

This is true. But the argument can also be taken in the opposite temporal direction. If your dad had never gotten the nerve to ask your mom out on that first date you'd not be here. If you're mom hadn't taken the time to freshen up and make herself look nice you might not be here. If your great great grand parents hadn't done the same you'd not be here. Focusing on one historical event over another doesn't make the realization any more or less meaningful or true.

I felt the importance of this for the first time maybe five years ago. I was looking at old pictures of my parents when they were still dating and I wasn't even a thought yet. It was a meaningful realization that my parents were (are) just people who met, dated, fell in love and got married, not unlike me. Then I came along (or, they brought me into their lives). But I sure wasn't the reason they got together.

Waiting for my son to be born has caused me to ponder this in a new light. I can remember when I met my wife, the first time we ever went out, how we occupied ourselves through the years. In a month we'll have a baby and that child will have no comprehension of us before him, untill later, when the story and cause of his life starts to sink in and becomes something to ponder.

I started thinking about this 2 or 3 years ago, and the thought still scares me.

 

[SandStorm]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
How's this for a scenereo:

Your a 13 year old girl at your first party. You get intoxicated and eventally raped.

Your the black sheep of the family now that your pregnant, even though you were raped, your parents send you to detroit for the pregancy,... you have your baby, and he get's sent directly to the addoption agancy. 18 years later your reunited with your son. You and the boy confront the father who never knew he had a son. The father is a born again Christian, yet can't find the balls to accept the son into his life. He gives him a bible and tells him he can never speak to him again.

7 years later, you have a great relationship with the bastard child that should've never been,..... he knows how lucky he is that fate picked out his mother that fateful night,..... thats why he can type these words right now.

If this is you, it must have taken an enormous amount of guts to type this, and for that I applaud you. If it's not you, just a scenario, well . . . run. Trust me, run.

 

[halfracedrift]

Why run though?

 

[Vasco]

Yeh, Sandstorm, why run? Maybe it happened to a family member or something. Must take a lot of guts to say that though.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by SandStorm
If this is you, it must have taken an enormous amount of guts to type this, and for that I applaud you. If it's not you, just a scenario, well . . . run. Trust me, run.

That's my story,..... 100% true.

Since the day I could comprehend, my mom (addpotive "Peryl") has told me I'm addopted. Parents were told they could not have kids in '76, so they got on a list. They got me in April of '78,... and my sister was concieved 2 months later Yes,.. it is a VERY ironical situation,... basically it's an argument that major stress on a woman's reproductive system can occur when she wants a child,... so much, that it can prohibit contreception. Just a thought, but it does fall into the possible catagory when you look at my situation.

Thanx for the vote of confidence ("took guts"), it is appreciated,. cause a lot of people dont understand addoption that well. It's hard to rationalize for some. Though, I'm addopted and my sister isn't, I've never felt as though she's been favored, or that my parents loved her more,... which is a common mis conception to people who dont have this particualar experience.

Yes,... it did take guts to get through it as a whole,... but nothing could overide the fact that I'm lucky as hell to be here,.. it is certainly a strange twist of fate

Thanx again,...

Good luck racing
brian


PS - In a stranger twist of fate:
I was born in Detroit, by my birth mom originated from Grand Rapids. The addoption agancy located my addoptive parents in Grand Rapids and handed me over. 18 years later, when I could legally begin the search for my birth mother, ,..... when I found her,... she lived (at the time I found her) only 2 miles away from where I lived (when I found her) !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now thats some seriously coinincidental ****

 

[Magic069]

Curiousity question Red Eye, do you and your birth mom have a good relationship? How do you veiw her? Not meaning in a negative or postive way, meaning as a "friend, mom or a someone you have a close connection with?"

Something I have always wondered.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by Magic069
Curiousity question Red Eye, do you and your birth mom have a good relationship? How do you veiw her? Not meaning in a negative or postive way, meaning as a "friend, mom or a someone you have a close connection with?"

Something I have always wondered.

NP

My relationship with her is a great one. In fact, I should probably start a new topic now that I think about it,... this should be a decent preview of that. (the close connection part).

I would classify our relationship more as a friendly one than a family one. I've known her for 7 years now, and she's never told me what to do, outside of advice like dont drink and drive, ect.... I don't feal any animosity towards her for the decision she made, she felt as though she couldn't give the life I deserved as a such a young mother, and her family wanted nothing to do with me,... they were extremely religious and blah, blah, close-minded blah,.... so, I'm very happy to be alive reguardless,... I could've easily been an abortion (which ironically, I would've supported because her specific situation = young rape victim).

As to the connection I feal, I'm going to start a new topic about that,.... stay tuned for further details. It should be a pretty unique discussion.

 

[rjensen11]

Makes you ponder:

If there were no Jack Handy quotes, where'd we get our stupid, yet funny phrases from?



Makes you ponder:
If there were no World War 1, would Hitler ever come to power and kill millions of people?



Makes you ponder:

If there wasn't one lady about 60k years ago, would any of us be here? Because phorensic evidence proves that 90% of all Europeans share an ancestor that is some lady who died 60 thousand years ago...

 

[SandStorm]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
That's my story,..... 100% true.

Yes,... it did take guts to get through it as a whole,... but nothing could overide the fact that I'm lucky as hell to be here,.. it is certainly a strange twist of fate

Thanx again,...

Good luck racing
brian

You've got guts, I'll give you that, confiding your life story to someone you don't even know.

PS - In a stranger twist of fate:
I was born in Detroit, by my birth mom originated from Grand Rapids. The addoption agancy located my addoptive parents in Grand Rapids and handed me over. 18 years later, when I could legally begin the search for my birth mother, ,..... when I found her,... she lived (at the time I found her) only 2 miles away from where I lived (when I found her) !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now thats some seriously coinincidental ****

That's a major coincidence, isn't it?

Oh, about the run part: If he's lying, he better run. Turned out he wasn't, so everything is good. I was gonna stab him with a javelin if he was lying.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by rjensen11
:

Makes you ponder:

If there wasn't one lady about 60k years ago, would any of us be here? Because phorensic evidence proves that 90% of all Europeans share an ancestor that is some lady who died 60 thousand years ago...

Actually it was 2.7 million years ago. Her name is Lucy. Her species is Australopithicus Afarensis.

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by milefile
Actually it was 2.7 million years ago. Her name is Lucy. Her species is Australopithicus Afarensis.

No, I read on the BBC that most Europeans are related to a human, homo sapien(sp.) from 60k years ago, I'll check it out and send a URL sometime.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by rjensen11
No, I read on the BBC that most Europeans are related to a human, homo sapien(sp.) from 60k years ago, I'll check it out and send a URL sometime.

Europeans. Sorry. I though you were referring to all humans.