MASTER IA-10 Final Exam —> completely stuck!

[Lightpilgrim]

Good evening, guys!

I am doing a Master Licence and after so many-many attempts to gold the final Exam (Master IA-10), I am no longer have idea how to do it.

I am 1 sec off gold and just do not know how to do it faster. It is no longer a matter of practicing because I do not see where is this 1 sec and how I can gain it.

I see where the ghost pulls off and then I have a very basic question: can it be done on a controller?

Maybe there are some of you here that have done it and will be able to help me. I put a lot of efforts but I not longer see a way to do it, hence need some help.

This is my fastest lap. I am able to get to within 1.1-1.2 sec off gold, but I am not able to do it faster.



If you have ideas - thank you for sharing!

 

[Buckethead75]

Yes all gold times (licences and CE) can be done with a controller. I did it, like many other people. Your lap is clean but clearly too safe, you can brake later and go faster through most corners, you're not using all the track.

 

[benjoi84]

Follow the demonstration ghost for starters!

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Follow the demonstration ghost for starters!

I do, I wrote it in my post

 

[Fuzzi0n]

I managed it on controller but nearly lost my sanity. The tricks I found were brake balance 5, only use 2nd at the Kleines Karussell and hook the inside curb. Otherwise avoid the curbs and some of the bumps or it'll do a wheelie or not steer. The main difficulty on controller is you can't steer enough to get the corner speed of the demo lap, you don't even get tyre squeal at full steering input. Going up a gear seems to get it to turn better too so I used 3rd instead of 2nd and 4th instead of 3rd at times, you also avoid losing time on gear shifts. I didn't try without ABS but that with the brakes all the way to the rear might help it turn a bit too.

Here's my run, you can see I'm like 2-3 tenths behind my previous best until the last few corners, so probably possible to do a low 56.

 

[Boxster]

I am also on controller and find this one very hard. I completed it earlier on my main account, but am now having trouble on a secondary account. You really have to nail every single corner exactly right. Last corner very important, exit speed vital.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I am also on controller and find this one very hard. I completed it earlier on my main account, but am now having trouble on a secondary account. You really have to nail every single corner exactly right. Last corner very important, exit speed vital.

Problem is, by that time the ghost is too far for me to see how to do it. 1 sec is a lot to gain…

Questions to those that managed to do it on a controller in the past several months (Gold time is 56.650):
1. What are your assists? Any TC or zero?
2. How to you have your break balance set up? I have seen different suggestions: default, -5 and 5
3. Did you master trail-braking on a controller? I see that the ghost would almost never break 100%, most of the time around 50%

P.S. If you take CE, what sector of the track is this? I want to find it and learn corners.

 

[Nebuc72]

Yeah this one sucks now. High downforce cars on pad have been pretty much ruined in the last few months, insane understeer and that last caroussel section is a bit of a joke, the game just turns off your steering input when you're taking it. Proper rubbish.

You'll want BB +5 for as much rotation as possible and TCS 0 - there's no rear grip loss to worry about.

 

[Belos]

Good evening, guys!

I am doing a Master Licence and after so many-many attempts to gold the final Exam (Master IA-10), I am no longer have idea how to do it.

I am 1 sec off gold and just do not know how to do it faster. It is no longer a matter of practicing because I do not see where is this 1 sec and how I can gain it.

I see where the ghost pulls off and then I have a very basic question: can it be done on a controller?

Maybe there are some of you here that have done it and will be able to help me. I put a lot of efforts but I not longer see a way to do it, hence need some help.

This is my fastest lap. I am able to get to within 1.1-1.2 sec off gold, but I am not able to do it faster.



If you have ideas - thank you for sharing!

Hello 🙂
Try playing with the adjustability of the controller, it can really help to achieve better control.💪💯💪

 

[KAlex122]

Did it some time ago. One second on that long part isn't that much. You're good. I would also say that the lap is a bit too clean. You mostly stay too far away from the curbs. Bit more risk in the corners and on breaks as Buckethead75 mentioned. My laps never look as clean as yours. I tend to go of track a lot but you need to risk a bit more on corner entry and exit.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Hello 🙂
Try playing with the adjustability of the controller, it can really help to achieve better control.💪💯💪

What does it mean “adjustability of the controller?

Did it some time ago. One second on that long part isn't that much. You're good. I would also say that the lap is a bit too clean. You mostly stay too far away from the curbs. Bit more risk in the corners and on breaks as Buckethead75 mentioned. My laps never look as clean as yours. I tend to go of track a lot but you need to risk a bit more on corner entry and exit.

I tried it again and again today…managed to reduce the gap to 0.6 sec off gold from 1.1 sec.

I know where I struggle the most: last part starting from the mini carousel till the end. But not only…here and there 0.3-0.5 plus the last part. I need to find a way to do it.

Here is a bit faster lap



Guys, what sector is this if you refer to the CE? I want to learn names of corner, but I do not know what part of the track this is

 

[Belos]

What does it mean “adjustability of the controller?


I tried it again and again today…managed to reduce the gap to 0.6 sec off gold from 1.1 sec.

I know where I struggle the most: last part starting from the mini carousel till the end. But not only…here and there 0.3-0.5 plus the last part. I need to find a way to do it.

Here is a bit faster lap



Guys, what sector is this if you refer to the CE? I want to learn names of corner, but I do not know what part of the track this is

you can change --sensitivity, feedback, feedback sensitivity. The image is for illustrative purposes only.

 

[KAlex122]

What does it mean “adjustability of the controller?


I tried it again and again today…managed to reduce the gap to 0.6 sec off gold from 1.1 sec.

I know where I struggle the most: last part starting from the mini carousel till the end. But not only…here and there 0.3-0.5 plus the last part. I need to find a way to do it.

Here is a bit faster lap



Guys, what sector is this if you refer to the CE? I want to learn names of corner, but I do not know what part of the track this is

The minicarosel and the left before the long straight is one of the few bits where a controller really seems to be a disadvantage. Also a very difficult for me to gold in the CE (second to last sectror, i guess).

 

[Lightpilgrim]

The minicarosel and the left before the long straight is one of the few bits where a controller really seems to be a disadvantage. Also a very difficult for me to gold in the CE (second to last sectror, i guess).

All in all, this track on a controller is insane hard. It is much harder than other tracks. Or other sections of tracks. It is a bit unnatural.

I need to find a way to gain the remaining 0.6, so will keep practicing tomorrow. Thanks for the encouragement

 

[Voodoovaj]

Good evening, guys!

I am doing a Master Licence and after so many-many attempts to gold the final Exam (Master IA-10), I am no longer have idea how to do it.

I am 1 sec off gold and just do not know how to do it faster. It is no longer a matter of practicing because I do not see where is this 1 sec and how I can gain it.

I see where the ghost pulls off and then I have a very basic question: can it be done on a controller?

Maybe there are some of you here that have done it and will be able to help me. I put a lot of efforts but I not longer see a way to do it, hence need some help.

This is my fastest lap. I am able to get to within 1.1-1.2 sec off gold, but I am not able to do it faster.



If you have ideas - thank you for sharing!

At the 24 second mark of you video, you turn left too much. You can straight line the curbing on the left side and gain some time. Otherwise, it seems you aren't using enough track, so you can carry s little more speed in many of those corners.

Given how many turns there are in that test, every 0.05 makes a difference.

I will give it a try again. I haven't done it since launch.

 

[Thorson1987]

Problem is, by that time the ghost is too far for me to see how to do it. 1 sec is a lot to gain…

Questions to those that managed to do it on a controller in the past several months (Gold time is 56.650):
1. What are your assists? Any TC or zero?
2. How to you have your break balance set up? I have seen different suggestions: default, -5 and 5
3. Did you master trail-braking on a controller? I see that the ghost would almost never break 100%, most of the time around 50%

P.S. If you take CE, what sector of the track is this? I want to find it and learn corners.

You can set the ghost to reset at the start of each sector.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

You can set the ghost to reset at the start of each sector.

I know, but this is just 1 sector, not a full lap

 

[Hasnain282]

I have tried this and it is difficult now, took me quite a few attempts to get it. Kept going for a better time and sneaked into the 55s
Controller sensitivity on 10

Onboard


In game replay (I think you should be able to load this as a ghost if you add it to your collection)

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[Voodoovaj]

@Lightpilgrim I didn't do it as fast as @Hasnain282 but I also got it done. Same sensitivity (10) and I set me BB to 5. I blew the last complex of corners.



I hope this helps. It took quite a few tries!! More than than the first time I did it.

 

[benjoi84]

The more time that passes, the happier I am that I decided to do all these tests on older physics. It seems the consensus is that the game is rock hard now.

 

[Famine]

If you have ideas - thank you for sharing!

In both your videos you're not using the full width of the circuit and you're changing down too readily - every gear change slows you down, so you have to judge whether taking that time hit is worth it in the deceleration/acceleration payoff.

For example, the section approaching the mini Karussell should be done in third, rather than second (though you can change down to second on braking to rotate the car, but get back up into third before you hit the power), and on the fast bit before that you should treat the left curves as straights and chop across all of the kerb - it's basically a right-handed curve then aim straight through the left-right-left with only a mild adjustment right until the braking zone. You're also too conservative on the gas and too focussed on hugging the right-hand (inside) kerb in the final right-hander; get on the power much earlier and allow the car to drift out left.

 

[Nebuc72]

The more time that passes, the happier I am that I decided to do all these tests on older physics. It seems the consensus is that the game is rock hard now.

I think the game is easier to be honest, but there's more filtering on pad than there used to be.
Stuff like this used to be fine but by doing them now you can pretty easily see cases where the game is just fighting your ability to do what you want the car to do - the best example is the mini caroussel, taking it like you can on wheel genuinely just takes off your steering input and straight-lines you off it. It's really weird.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

In both your videos you're not using the full width of the circuit and you're changing down too readily - every gear change slows you down, so you have to judge whether taking that time hit is worth it in the deceleration/acceleration payoff.

For example, the section approaching the mini Karussell should be done in third, rather than second (though you can change down to second on braking to rotate the car, but get back up into third before you hit the power), and on the fast bit before that you should treat the left curves as straights and chop across all of the kerb - it's basically a right-handed curve then aim straight through the left-right-left with only a mild adjustment right until the braking zone. You're also too conservative on the gas and too focussed on hugging the right-hand (inside) kerb in the final right-hander; get on the power much earlier and allow the car to drift out left.

Those are good suggestions and very practical. I am indeed trying and experimenting different things to find a way to get that last 0.6 sec.

I was studying the ghost and yes, I see that the section approaching the mini karossel the ghost does on 3rd, but I find it virtually impossible or too slow on a controller. When you make suggestions, are you referring to your experience with the wheel or a controller?

Btw, you are right about the very last section, I will experiment tomorrow!

I have tried this and it is difficult now, took me quite a few attempts to get it. Kept going for a better time and sneaked into the 55s
Controller sensitivity on 10

Onboard


In game replay (I think you should be able to load this as a ghost if you add it to your collection)

gran-turismo.com

Gran Turismo Official Website

www.gran-turismo.com

This is cool and thank you very much. What I see you are doing differently is that sometimes you upshift super fast (faster that the ghost) and sometimes you use a very different gear. For example, after the sections with flowing corners you stay on 4th and never shift to the 5th, like the ghost is doing. I tried it and I think I am faster this way. Thank you for suggestions!

 

[Famine]

When you make suggestions, are you referring to your experience with the wheel or a controller?

I use the controller for virtually everything except multiplayer.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I use the controller for virtually everything except multiplayer.

Phenomenal. This test is insane level of difficulty for me. Much harder than anything I have done. A Nightmare:-)

Biggest issues:
1. I am struggling with trail braking on a controller. And here, it is vital to break 50%, 20% - not 100%. That is one issue why I struggle. How did you master it? On a controller I mean
2. I struggle with karossel a lot. This is where I loose all this time. Most of it.

I managed to cut the deficit to 0.240 to GOLD. But I do not have much life left in me:-)

A torture!



My biggest issue is these 3 points:

1. This is where I start loosing time and so not know when and how to break to manage it

2. This is where you suggest I go on 3rd and not 2nd? Have problem rotating the car on 3rd here

3. This part is a true torture? How to get it right? Mod through karossel it bounced me right to the wall…..

 

[benjoi84]

You can do it!!! Don't give up

 

[Lightpilgrim]

@Lightpilgrim I didn't do it as fast as @Hasnain282 but I also got it done. Same sensitivity (10) and I set me BB to 5. I blew the last complex of corners.



I hope this helps. It took quite a few tries!! More than than the first time I did it.

Watched a replay a couple of times. Very good drive. Seems like people approach it differently in gearing. What I see you guys can do and I cannot is trail braking. Hard for me to give this steady input: 75%, 50%, 25%. How did you learn?

Btw, you managed to do a very good exit of the mini karussel. The most difficult part for me

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Tried again today: 0.4-0.6 sec off GOLD. I cannot yet do it. I think I need to step back and apply a different approach. Doing more of the same is not working.

I need to address my shortcomings first:
1. Trail braking
2. Learning how to go through nimi karussel
3. Not only learning braking points, but exists and speed
4. Experiment with gearing….

 

[LANDO]

See the demo and the gears of the ghost. The lasts 2 turns I remember are on 4th gear and you`re doing it on 3rd

 

[Lightpilgrim]

See the demo and the gears of the ghost. The lasts 2 turns I remember are on 4th gear and you`re doing it on 3rd

I will study it again, but it depends on 2 factors:
1. My exit speed from mini karossel was not high enough for 4th gear (I am struggling with this part the most!)
2. Ghost is not using a controller, I am certain. It is hard if not impossible to drive the same way for this specific challenge. Not only my opinion.

But I will have a very detailed look.

I need to say that I am NOT enjoying it!
Never experience anything like that yet. Very unnatural.

This is my best time for now, so close!!!

Most of the time I am 0.2-0.6 off. And it is more luck than knowing how to nail it.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Watched a replay a couple of times. Very good drive. Seems like people approach it differently in gearing. What I see you guys can do and I cannot is trail braking. Hard for me to give this steady input: 75%, 50%, 25%. How did you learn?

Btw, you managed to do a very good exit of the mini karussel. The most difficult part for me

What I do, is apply full brakes with my eyes looking at the next apex, then I release and coast. The "trail braking" comes from me tapping the brakes a little to tighten my line. Once I hit my target, I hit the gas.

FYI, I am on a controller as well.