McLaren SLS

[Poverty]

Well, if you would check the actual website, it seems it is more MERCEDES that has zilch to do with it.

McLaren is the primary builder of this car. Without McLaren, it would M-B would be forced to start another line to other AMGs.


Check the facts, dude.

Thats a weak argument. For mercedes to bankroll a upgrade or expansion to a existing factory is nothing to them. Only reason why mercedes did it was because of the name McLaren.

Merceded could have easily made the car in their own factories if they really wanted to do so

 

[McLaren]

Hence why the name has always been Mclaren Mercedes SLR

Though the actual name is the Mercedes-Benz McLaren SLR.

Poverty, your post was pretty weak considering the fact that it was completely untrue.

 

[McLaren]

Thats a weak argument. For mercedes to bankroll a upgrade or expansion to a existing factory is nothing to them. Only reason why mercedes did it was because of the name McLaren.

Merceded could have easily made the car in their own factories if they really wanted to do so

Except for the fact that Mercedes-Benz has absolutely zero in the whole building process.


You're on a role today of presenting completely random "statements".

 

[1X83Z]

Why would they be on the auction block? Mercedes doesn't own McLaren. Hell, McLaren is it's own group.

McLaren Racing isn't owned by Mercedes?

Either way, I'm surprised they're still collaborating with McLaren, is my point. And to answer the earlier question, less than half of the SLRs have been built; used ones are plummeting in value, and they're going to have to somehow unload the remaining cars.

 

[exigeracer]

They either have to increase interest in the SLR by creating a) a similar sized sports car that undercuts it in power, price and class, or b) a streamlined snazzy edition of the SLR to even slightly boost any attention the SLR is getting.

Oh wait, they tried a) and it ended up being better and they also tried b) and the most publicity it got was a thread on GTPlanet.net's Auto News section.

 

[Pupik]

Ever get the idea that some people are "jumping the gun" a little for a new thread?

 

[McLaren]

McLaren Racing isn't owned by Mercedes?

Either way, I'm surprised they're still collaborating with McLaren, is my point. And to answer the earlier question, less than half of the SLRs have been built; used ones are plummeting in value, and they're going to have to somehow unload the remaining cars.

Nope, McLaren Racing is owned by the McLaren Group.

 

[franz]

Nice illustration but this guy's imagination does not impress me at all
I believe McLaren-Mecedes group will make this car so much better than SLR
maybe something as great as F1

 

[1X83Z]

Nope, McLaren Racing is owned by the McLaren Group.

Whose ownership is:

DaimlerChrysler 40%, Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company 30%, Ron Dennis 15% and Mansour Ojjeh 15%

Meaning DC has a plurality. So they could put it up on the auction block.

 

[McLaren]

Whose ownership is:

DaimlerChrysler 40%, Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company 30%, Ron Dennis 15% and Mansour Ojjeh 15%

Meaning DC has a plurality. So they could put it up on the auction block.

DC only owns less than half.

That's like saying Porsche can auction off VAG because it owns a 30% stake in it.

 

[MistaX]

I quite like it in it's current state.

If they sold it like that I'd put it on my "I'd buy this car if I had the money" list

 

[Poverty]

Except for the fact that Mercedes-Benz has absolutely zero in the whole building process.


You're on a role today of presenting completely random "statements".

wrong.

 

[1X83Z]

DC only owns less than half.

That's like saying Porsche can auction off VAG because it owns a 30% stake in it.

You've missed my point. They can sell their shares, leaving McLaren no-one to build for.

wrong.

Post a fact. Just once. I dare you.

He's right I think - the cars are built at McLaren's factory, at least.

 

[Poverty]

I cant be bothered. for some unknown reason *mclaren* things that mercedes requires mclarens help to make the SLR, and mercedes are involved in the build process as where else do you think the engine comes from.

 

[F1GTR]

I cant be bothered. for some unknown reason *mclaren* things that mercedes requires mclarens help to make the SLR, and mercedes are involved in the build process as where else do you think the engine comes from.

McLaren DESIGNED the car, seeing as Mercedes have NOWHERE near the experience McLaren has in carbon fibre construction. Mercedes only gave them the necessary funds and the engine. McLaren only had to follow what Mercedes wanted: a 2-seat super tourer.

 

[1X83Z]

I cant be bothered. for some unknown reason *mclaren* things that mercedes requires mclarens help to make the SLR, and mercedes are involved in the build process as where else do you think the engine comes from.

Mercedes made the engine, however it's McLaren's design - and McLaren builds the car in McLaren's factory in the U.K. Can't put it any plainer - it's McLaren's project.

 

[McLaren]

wrong.

Sorry. Show me how instead of posting a very stupid post.

You've missed my point. They can sell their shares, leaving McLaren no-one to build for.



Post a fact. Just once. I dare you.

He's right I think - the cars are built at McLaren's factory, at least.

Well, I guess that's techincally right. I must have took it more as selling the company.

I cant be bothered. for some unknown reason *mclaren* things that mercedes requires mclarens help to make the SLR, and mercedes are involved in the build process as where else do you think the engine comes from.

If you can't be bothered to post info, don't bother telling someone they're wrong.

BTW, if you had done what I said earlier, perhaps, you would find this info!


Ahem, as the site says, the engine is built by AMG. That is the only thing Mercedes-Benz has to do with the build process. The SLR starts life in Portsmouth at McLaren, where the carbon fibre monococque is assembled. Then, the car moves to the paintjob in 5 phases.

Afterwards, the body moves to the assembly hall at one of 14 stations. 4-6 Techincians with 3 team leaders work at each station. As the car progresses, it moves through each station getting it's "internals." After all that is done, the final thing done is adding the floor and wheels.

Then, the car is tested for 40 minutes with a rolling roll to 250km/h. If something does not work, the car goes back to the assembly line. Afterwards, it sprayed with high pressure jets to check for seal integrity.
The last phase is to take the car to the Dunsfold to check the ride, handling and ceramic braking system. Then, it is delivered after being polished and cleaned up.

Now, the reason I told you is this to show you're ignorance that all this, the whole assembly, and building, is done by McLaren. Only the engine is built by Mercedes-Benz which is not part of the building procedure like you think, because it is built long before the SLR body has begun. Mercedes does require McLaren to build it, because only McLaren does in fact, build it. Otherwise, Mercedes Benz would have to open a new line, and build everything themselves.

If you wish to keep thinking that McLaren has nothing in this but for the name, then please, call Pagani, and tell them the Zonda is Mercedes-Benz, not Pagani, because Pagani goes through this entire procedure as well.

 

[harrytuttle]

I don't get how this can happen. Word on the street is that Mercedes is pissed at McLaren, for forcing them to honor the 3500 production number on the SLR despite the fact that it's not selling. I'm surprised Mercedes hasn't put McLaren on the auction block yet, let alone collaborate on another road car.

I don't see this working out, either. Mercedes & McLaren had an intense amount of clashes with the last car, have polar opposite opinions when it comes to the fundamentals of car design, and even have been having arguments in F1. News of a buyout is like hearing of an old, bitter couple looking to get married.

And isn't the official name "Mercedes SLR McLaren"? Having their name at the end was one of many things that irked McLaren, even after the project was done.

 

[1X83Z]

I don't see this working out, either. Mercedes & McLaren had an intense amount of clashes with the last car, have polar opposite opinions when it comes to the fundamentals of car design, and even have been having arguments in F1.

Yeah - there's been trouble brewing over there. I wonder how this will pan out.

And isn't the official name "Mercedes SLR McLaren"?

That's how I refer to the car, yes.

 

[Poverty]

Mercedes made the engine, however it's McLaren's design - and McLaren builds the car in McLaren's factory in the U.K. Can't put it any plainer - it's McLaren's project.

Last I knew mercedes came up with the design of the bodyshell, and if mercedes wanted they could easily sidestep mclaren, or buy them if they really wanted to.

Mercedes dont need mclaren to help make the slr, you guys are going on as if it was impossible without them.

Mercedes>>>McLaren wheter you like it or not.

Now, the reason I told you is this to show you're ignorance that all this, the whole assembly, and building, is done by McLaren. Only the engine is built by Mercedes-Benz which is not part of the building procedure like you think, because it is built long before the SLR body has begun. Mercedes does require McLaren to build it, because only McLaren does in fact, build it. Otherwise, Mercedes Benz would have to open a new line, and build everything themselves.

Thats a lame argument. So next time my mum cooks my dinner, I better tell people that I require her to do so, just because of the fact I didnt do it myself?

So what if mercedes would have to build another line. Its nothing to them, it was just more convienent, and better marketing to get mclaren to make it.

Your going on as if McLran is a car making god or something.

 

[1X83Z]

Last I knew mercedes came up with the design of the bodyshell, and if mercedes wanted they could easily sidestep mclaren, or buy them if they really wanted to.

Mercedes dont need mclaren to help make the slr, you guys are going on as if it was impossible without them.

Poverty... you're missing point after point.

As far as I'm concerned, this was the best argument, because it's exactly correct:

"If you wish to keep thinking that McLaren has nothing in this but for the name, then please, call Pagani, and tell them the Zonda is Mercedes-Benz, not Pagani, because Pagani goes through this entire procedure as well."

And as for your first statement, you're wrong once again of course - Mercedes designed the concept, and McLaren designed the road car. But then I guess when you're pulling stuff out of your ass as you are, it doesn't matter who designed what.

 

[Poverty]

man are you the one too stupid to see whats going on here? Mercedes made a concept and commisioned mclaren to make the car.

Ok cool whatever.

But what i originally said was that mercedes dont even need mclaren to make this car as they could have done so themselves as there is no McLaren characteristics in the car.

Try arguing with that.

and the pagani and mercedes example was crap.

 

[McLaren]

man are you the one too stupid to see whats going on here? Mercedes made a concept and commisioned mclaren to make the car.

Ok cool whatever.

But what i originally said was that mercedes dont even need mclaren to make this car as they could have done so themselves as there is no McLaren characteristics in the car.

Try arguing with that.

and the pagani and mercedes example was crap.

Jesus, you don't even know anything about this car do you?
Yes, Mercedes Benz came with the idea. But that's like me saying, I came up with the idea of the lamp, and even though everyone builds it, it's mine.

Did you not read M5 said earlier? McLaren is the only who actually designed the car, aka, the body. The entire body and look is a McLaren characteristic. Mercedes only built the engine, and said, "Hey let's build a supercar with McLaren's help."

This car is entirely McLaren. Mercedes though, sells it.

And my Pagani example was actually quite perfect. It's a lot better than "my mum sells cookies" which I couldn't even understand what it was you were trying to get across.

Face it. You said McLaren had nothing to do with this car in the beginning.
I proved your unproven comment wrong, direct from the McLaren website.

Why do you think this car is on McLaren's site, and that the only thing Mercedes has on it about the SLR is to either sell it or tell about the engine.

 

[1X83Z]

But what i originally said was that mercedes dont even need mclaren to make this car as they could have done so themselves as there is no McLaren characteristics in the car.

Mercedes could build a Ford Escort if they wanted, with no help from Ford. They can do whatever they want. But you're missing the point which is that despite the fact that, yes, Mercedes probably could've built the car alone THEY DIDN'T. Period!

and the pagani and mercedes example was crap.

Because....

 

[1X83Z]

Face it. You said McLaren had nothing to do with this car in the beginning.
I proved your unproven comment wrong, direct from the McLaren website.

We should just stop arguing. He's got no idea what he's on about, nor has he ever!

 

[Poverty]

*mclaren or you have proved me wrong on nothing as you are rguing a point im not even talking about.

And Mclaren had nothing to do with the SLR till mercedes commisioned them so.

There is no traditional mclaren dna in the car so whats the point other than the badge. McLaren make race cars, not hopped up super luxury tourers.

Like I said they should have just got AMG to make it.

 

[McLaren]

*mclaren or you have proved me wrong on nothing as you are rguing a point im not even talking about.

And Mclaren had nothing to do with the SLR till mercedes commisioned them so.

There is no traditional mclaren dna in the car so whats the point other than the badge. McLaren make race cars, not hopped up super luxury tourers.

Like I said they should have just got AMG to make it.

Dude, don't even come to the automotive section anymore. You just proved how really low your intelligence is.

So for the love of god, read this, and tell me what it says in the first sentence.
http://www.mclarenautomotive.com/cars/slr_production.htm

So that I may sleep knowing you're not as dumb as I think you are.

 

[Poverty]

Dude, don't even come to the automotive section anymore. You just proved how really low your intelligence is.

So for the love of god, read this, and tell me what it says in the first sentence.
http://www.mclarenautomotive.com/cars/slr_production.htm

So that I may sleep knowing you're not as dumb as I think you are.

You know what im losing patience now. Are you thick? Are you really that slow that you cant understand in what contect I meant when I said that McLaren dont make hopped up luxury cars.

I am done with you as your obviously too ignorant or uncapable to read what Im trying to say as your arguing a point of which there is no argument to.

 

[McLaren]

If McLaren does not make up hopped up luxury cars, then who is making the SLR?

I'm thick? I'm so sorry you're stupidity has blinded you to the fact that you can't even keep a straight story.

I'm glad you're done. Now, the rest of us won't have listen to such STUPID statements.

 

[Poverty]

If McLaren does not make up hopped up luxury cars, then who is making the SLR?

I'm thick? I'm so sorry you're stupidity has blinded you to the fact that you can't even keep a straight story.

I'm glad you're done. Now, the rest of us won't have listen to such STUPID statements.

Goddamn your stupid. Did you even attend school?

What im saying is that traditionally McLaren dont make hopped up luxury cars, they specialise in road legal racers and racing cars, so really there was no point in Mercedes getting them to make the car, as AMG specialise in making hopped luxury cars as it is, and instead they could have commisioned mclaren to make a real sports car, just like how McLaren WANTED to.

Do you understand now? And I hope you arent offended by the name calling, as Im only returning the favour