Megaspeed Cup

[m2595]

Out of pure curiosity (and boredom lol) I decided to do the Megaspeed Cup using all of the regular cars (fully tuned, no RM) and see which ones can win the tournament and which ones can't. I also found out the least powerful car to win it with - the Eclipse GT with 390PS fully tuned. Here are the results:
P.S: I use the NTSC-J version, there might be differences in car and AI performance between the other versions and this one.


TOYOTA

• CELICA GT-FOUR – NO YES
• CELICA SS-II – NO
• CHASER TOURER S – NO
• CHASER TOURER V – YES
• CORONA EXIV 200GT – NO
• LEVIN AE86 GT - APEX – NO
• LEVIN BZG AE111 – NO
• MARK II TOURER S – NO
• MARK II TOURER V – YES
• MR2 G-LIMITED – NO
• MR2 GT-S – YES
• SOARER 2.5 GT-T (’95-’97) – YES
• SPRINTER TRUENO GT - APEX AE86 – NO
• SPRINTER TRUENO BZG AE111 – NO
• STARLET GLANZA V – NO
• SUPRA MA70 – NO YES (WITH STAGE 3 TURBO)
• SUPRA JZA70 – YES
• SUPRA SZ-R (’95-’97) – NO
• SUPRA RZ (’95-’97) – YES
• TRD 3000GT – YES

MITSUBISHI

• ECLIPSE GT – NO YES
• FTO GR (’94-’97) – NO
• FTO GPX (’94-’97) – NO YES
• FTO GP VERSION R – NO YES
• GALANT VR-G TOURING – NO
• GALANT VR-4 – YES
• GTO TWINTURBO (’92-’95-’97) – YES
• GTO SR (’92-’95-’97) – NO
• LANCER EVO III – NO YES
• LANCER EVO IV – NO YES
• MIRAGE CYBORG-R – NO
• MIRAGE ASTI RX – NO

DODGE

• VIPER RT/10 – YES
• VIPER GTS – YES
• CONCEPT CAR – NO

ASTON MARTIN

• DB7 COUPE – NO
• DB7 VOLANTE – NO

TVR

• CERBERA – YES
• GRIFFITH 500 – YES
• GRIFFITH B340 BLACKPOOL – YES

CHEVROLET

• CAMARO Z28 – NO YES
• CORVETTE COUPE – YES
• CORVETTE GRAND SPORT – YES

MAZDA

• DEMIO LX G PACKAGE – NO
• DEMIO GL – NO
• DEMIO GL-X – NO
• DEMIO A-SPEC – NO
• EUNOS COSMO TYPE-S CCS – NO YES
• EUNOS COSMO TYPE-E CCS – YES
• EUNOS ROADSTER ’89 – NO
• EUNOS ROADSTER V-SPECIAL (’90 – ’97) – NO
• EUNOS ROADSTER S-SPECIAL (’92 – 97) – NO
• EUNOS ROADSTER ’97 – NO
• LANTIS TYPE R – NO
• RX-7 FC GT-X – NO YES
• RX-7 FC INFINI III – NO YES
• RX-7 FD TOURING X – YES
• RX-7 FD TYPE R '91 – YES
• RX-7 FD TYPE RB – YES
• RX-7 FD TYPE RZ – YES
• RX-7 FD MAZDASPEED A-SPEC – YES

SUBARU

• ALCYONE SVX S4 – NO
• ALCYONE SVX VERSION L – NO
• IMPREZA SEDAN WRX '94 – YES
• IMPREZA SEDAN WRX '96 – YES
• IMPREZA SEDAN WRX-STI VER.II '95 – YES
• IMPREZA SEDAN WRX-STI VER.III '96 – YES
• IMPREZA WAGON WRX '94 – YES
• IMPREZA WAGON WRX '96 – YES
• IMPREZA WAGON WRX-STI VER.II '95 – YES
• IMPREZA WAGON WRX-STI VER.III '96 – YES
• IMPREZA WRX-STI TYPE R – YES
• LEGACY TOURING SEDAN GT '93 – NO YES
• LEGACY TOURING SEDAN RS – NO YES
• LEGACY TOURING WAGON GT '93 – NO YES
• LEGACY TOURING WAGON GT-B – NO YES

HONDA

• ACCORD SEDAN SIR – NO
• ACCORD WAGON SIR – NO
• CRX DEL-SOL SIR '92 – NO
• CRX DEL-SOL SIR – NO
• CRX DEL-SOL VXI '92 – NO
• CRX DEL-SOL VGI – NO
• CR-X EF8 SIR '91 – NO
• CIVIC EG FERIO SIR '93 – NO
• CIVIC EG SI-R II '93 – NO
• CIVIC EK SIR-II ’95 – NO
• CIVIC EK TYPE-R – NO
• CIVIC FERIO SI II – NO
• INTEGRA SIR-G – NO
• INTEGRA TYPE-R – NO
• NSX ’90 – YES
• NSX TYPE-R ’92 – YES
• NSX ’97 – YES
• NSX TYPE S – YES
• NSX TYPE S ZERO – YES
• PRELUDE SI '91 – NO
• PRELUDE SI-VTEC '91 – NO
• PRELUDE SIR – NO
• PRELUDE TYPE-S – NO

NISSAN

• 180SX '94 TYPEX - YES
• 180SX TYPES - NO
• 180SX TYPEX - YES
• FAIRLADY Z VERSION S 2BY2 - NO
• FAIRLADY Z VERSION S 2SEATER - NO
• FAIRLADY Z VERSION S TWINTURBO 2BY2 - YES
• FAIRLADY Z VERSION S TWINTURBO 2SEATER - YES
• PRIMERA '90 2.0TE - NO
• PRIMERA '95 2.0TE - NO
• PULSAR'91 GTI-R - NO YES
• R32 SKYLINE '89 GT-R - YES
• R32 SKYLINE '91 GT-R - YES
• R32 SKYLINE GT-R NISMO - YES
• R32 SKYLINE GT-R V SPEC - YES
• R32 SKYLINE GT-R V SPEC II - YES
• R32 SKYLINE GTS-T TYPE M - NO
• R32 SKYLINE GTS25 TYPE S - NO
• R32 SKYLINE GTS4 - NO
• R33 SKYLINE '95 GT-R - YES
• R33 SKYLINE '95 GT-R V SPEC - YES
• R33 SKYLINE GT-R - YES
• R33 SKYLINE GT-R V SPEC - YES
• R33 SKYLINE GTS25T TYPE M - NO YES
• S13 SILVIA '88 K'S 1800CC - YES
• S13 SILVIA '88 Q'S 1800CC - NO
• S13 SILVIA '91 K'S 2000CC - YES
• S13 SILVIA '91 Q'S 2000CC - NO
• S14 SILVIA '95 K'S - YES
• S14 SILVIA '95 Q'S - NO
• S14 SILVIA K'S - YES
• S14 SILVIA Q'S - NO
• SILEighty - YES

 

[submaniac93]

Interesting. Kinda wanna try it someday as well now.
If you want to see the AI specs, i recorded them years ago here

 

[m2595]

That's neat, I haven't seen this before and I always wondered what kind of settings the AI was running. I also didn't know that the NSX, Supra RZ and the GTO used 7 gears. Are they equipped with super-close ratio transmissions or some unique part not obtainable through normal means?

 

[submaniac93]

indeed, they use the Super Close (or stage 2) gearbox. Pretty much every opponent except in the Normal Cup and the Sunday Cup uses super short gearboxes.
If you go to the second tab of the spreadsheet, you'll find my (incomplete) car and parts list for GT1. I meant to make it as the ultimate hybridding tool, as well as just a cool info sheet, but it took so much time, and was so tedious to make that i stopped after a while. But you'll be able to check gear ratios and such for example.

 

[Liquid]

I like seeing GT1 content being kept alive, really interesting to see this for all cars.

 

[Mouc]

Out of pure curiosity (and boredom lol) I decided to do the Megaspeed Cup using all of the regular cars (fully tuned, no RM) and see which ones can win the tournament and which ones can't. I also found out the least powerful car to win it with - the Griffith 5.0/B340 Blackpool, 444HP fully tuned. Here are the results:
P.S: I use the NTSC-J version, there might be differences in car and AI performance between the other versions and this one.

[...]

Great list!
Some differences maybe to the PAL version, here are some complementary non-RM cars I won the Megaspeed with:

• SUPRA MA70: YES

• LANCER EVO III – YES

• LANCER EVO IV - Mmmh... Possible with the EVO III... I should try on PAL

• LEGACY TOURING SEDAN GT '93 – YES

Here's a playlist on Youtube:

 

[m2595]

I checked out your videos, you scored victories with the EVO III, FC RX7, R33 Type M etc, which wasn't possible on the NTSC-J version - but maybe if I try harder...

P.S: I did try harder - updates can be found in the original post.

 

[Mouc]

I'm glad you managed some additional wins
In addition to the Legacy's take which was super hard for me, and I think impossible without

• small opponents (I mean GTO only, no Supra RZ nor R33 GT-R and preferabily the MR-2 in the AI line up)
• loads of luck (being bumped multiple times at the rear by AI's cars)

a Youtuber (Mr-Sam-Jax, quite a good driver I think) claims that a victory is possible with the Non-RM Camaro Z28.

He didn't post any video of this yet. But damn I tried & tried & tried, I never could win with the good ol' Chevrolet.
That's one thing I'd like to see once in my life, though

 

[m2595]

That was exactly the case when I did my run with the Legacy, the Supra and GT-R weren't there, only the NSX and GTO. Can't remember the rest of the grid, I think they were the Cosmo, 300ZX and Soarer or JZA70. I had to use shorter gear ratios for High speed ring, because the car bogged down at the start and the engine wasn't in its sweet spot (powerband) in the corners. For Test Course I had to lower the spring rates and damper settings to minimum, because it was losing speed in the corners otherwise.
As for the Camaro - I tried that again, I don't think it's possible, it just hasn't got enough power and it still weighs a lot even after stage III weight reduction, which affects handling and acceleration.

 

[m2595]

Update - managed to beat it with the '93 Legacy sedan, fully tuned apart from the stock flywheel. The opponents were NSX, GTO, JZA70, MR2 and Cosmo 20B. Finishing positions were 3, 1, 1, I managed to get a good tow/slipstream from the NSX, then the GTO touched the grass at the end of lap 1, so I caught up and got a good tow from it, too.

P.S: Scored a win with the Celica GT-Four as well.

 

[submaniac93]

Gave it a go with the Camaro, it's a **** car lol. I spent 2 hours and the best result i got is a tie for which i got silver, by doing 4-1-1, 21 points...

 

[m2595]

I did a few more runs with the Camaro and I have to say that it is theoretically possible to win with it, but many things have to fall into place for that to happen - for example, a grid consisting of NSX, 300ZX, MR2, GTO and Cosmo; the GTO making a mistake at Turn 6 at HSR, then giving you a healthy nudge at the back on the straight, etc. Chances are slim, but it could be done - with huge amounts of luck.

 

[Mouc]

[...]

P.S: Scored a win with the Celica GT-Four as well.

Wow, well done!
Think I've got to fire GT 1 in the next few days to try this up!

@SubManiac:
I like the Camaro in its Race Modified form a lot, but I agree it's not an easy car without that

 

[submaniac93]

Uuuuuuugggggghhhhhhhh

I tried it on JP, and I DID IT!
The grid order having the GTO start in 5th on all races really handicaps it, and allows the player to draft cars a lot more. HSR I is absolutely key, and i managed an incredible 2nd place thanks to the GTO having an especialy hard time dealing with the pack. I passed it on T5 on HSR I, which let me use it to give me a lot more speed to start lap 2.
Got unlucky with drafting and didn't get to win on Test Course (second place), and HSR II is a lot easier because of the messed up AI passing paths, forcing the AIs to fight each other and slowing them way down. Managed to pass the NSX that was out in first on lap 2 T4, just before the final stretch.
It was a struggle and i'm not driving this car ever again on the Megaspeed lmao.

The settings i used:

 

[Mouc]

Impressive! (As usual with you)
Congratulations.

 

[m2595]

Cool!

 

[m2595]

I did the Celica GT-Four run again and took some screenshots. For HSR and HSR reverse I used the stock settings for everything, for Test Course I made the final drive ratio taller and softened the springs and dampers all the way.

 

[submaniac93]

I tackled the Legacy Wagons, because i knew they were capable of it, and i assume you failed them because you don't know how to use the turbo spooling trick and couldn't get them off the line
(PAL version)
GT-B '96

GT '93

 

[submaniac93]

Did the Cosmo Type S as well. Took me a bit, and a decent lineup, but i made it in about an hour x)

 

[submaniac93]

Pulsar GTI-R done as well. It was surprisingly... easier than the Cosmo, despite the lack of power. With the right suspension setup to counter its natural oversteer, it handled quite well.

 

[submaniac93]

And my final entry for tonight lol
Eclipse is done.
A bit harder than the Pulsar, especially because Test Course was a struggle to get right.

 

[m2595]

turbo spooling trick

Lucky for me, I am aware of that trick, otherwise I would've been dead last almost all of the time lol
I actually have to fiddle a bit more with the suspension settings for the Wagons, because I figured out that's where the real problem is.

 

[m2595]

Inspired by you, submaniac93, I re-raced a few of the cars, here are the results:
COSMO 13B - the GTO made the aforementioned mistake by going off before Turn 6; then it overtook me at the end of the straight, but tackled with the Fairlady Z and I managed to blast past them both for 2nd place:

And some settings - Test Course

High Speed Ring I/II

 

[m2595]

Pulsar GTi-R (forgot to take a picture of the settings):

 

[m2595]

Eclipse GT - sadly, the screenshot with the results from the last race seems to be corrupted... I finished first, about 0.1 seconds ahead of the NSX; also, GTO made the Turn 6 mistake at the first race:

Test Course settings:

High Speed Ring I/II settings:

 

[m2595]

I'll be racing the Legacy Wagons later on today.

 

[m2595]

Legacy Wagon '93:

 

[m2595]

Legacy Wagon GT-B:

 

[Mouc]

Very impressive. You strong guys!

 

[submaniac93]

Seeing this, i'm wondering why you're not buying the brakes and stabilizer upgrades? Although not that useful in this particular champs, they do help a little on HSR... Impressive results regardless!