Mission Hall #34

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I beat most missions with ease, but 34 is just too hard. its the very last one, unless more come after you beat this one, im not sure. #34 is the one with the SLR on the ring. the closest ive gotten is within 14 sec, and that was without any 5 sec penalties or sliding way off course. thats also with slipstreaming the last place car halfway down the long strait at the end.

anyone who has beaten this mission, how perfect do you have to drive? obviously you cant make any big mistakes, but do you have to go as fast as possible? also, when should i have passed the 5th place car, and what car should i be slipstreaming at the long strait in order to win?
 
I found it pretty easy after all. Did it 5 times. Had a +10 second lead at my fifth try.
The fifth car should be passed just after Bergwerk if I'm not mistaken.

Just drive smooth and steady and it'll go just fine :)
 
I think the most important part of Mission 34 is using the manual transmission and never dropping down to 1st gear (except there's a single hairpin where you can if you want). Even if you never use MT, you need to get used to it for this mission because an automatic loses a lot of time shifting too much.

About all the help you can get is in the excessively long Mission Hall is a ***** thread (which has some good split times to aim for) and dori-san's Mission 34 write-up which even has a full 128MB video complete with 2-minute wait.

You don't exactly have to drive perfectly, and you don't need the wheel, but I haven't heard of anybody passing it with an automatic tranmission unless you hold R2 to keep it from downshifting most corners.

Quattro
The fifth car should be passed just after Bergwerk if I'm not mistaken.
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I doubt this is possible on the NTSC versions. The earliest I've heard of someone passing the 5th car is the straight before Karousel. PAL players get an 8-sec advantage.
 
BadBatsuMaru
You don't exactly have to drive perfectly, and you don't need the wheel, but I haven't heard of anybody passing it with an automatic tranmission unless you hold R2 to keep it from downshifting most corners.


I doubt this is possible on the NTSC versions. The earliest I've heard of someone passing the 5th car is the straight before Karousel. PAL players get an 8-sec advantage.
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I passed this mission on the NTSC version, using automatic transmission, using the DS/2, and using the buttons for accelerator and brake. And I did not use the R2 button at all.

I actually found that using AT helped me concentrate on my line -- no longer did I need to think about where and when to shift. I suspect now that I've completed the mission, I might be able to go back and do it with MT, but using AT definitely helped me. (And I got all 80 golds and the first 33 missions using MT, so it's not like I'm not accustomed to using the MT...)

I passed the 5th place car under braking going into the very tight right before the Karussell. Unfortunately, I overcooked it, and he repassed me in the corner, but I passed him again on the straight heading up to the Karussell.

If you haven't at least spotted the last place car by the time you reach the Karussell, you basically have no chance to win (at least on the NTSC version)...
 
Don't watch that video too closesly, btw. He takes a lot of shortcuts that you rally don't need to (although riding the wall through Karousel saves a little time and it's a good way to pass the 5th car with no worries). In particular, the wall-ride he takes at the turn in the big back straight is unnecessary and slows him down to about 90 MPH when you can actually take that bend at 110 MPH if you stay on the track. Also, the last section before the last straight he could've taken a little faster, too -- he slowed down too much for that last corner with the concrete in it. He also slowed down a little more than you have to on that tricky high-speed left towards the end of the first long straight. You can gain over a second by taking these faster.

I just don't want you to look at that video and think you have to cut the grass to win, seeing as dori-san cut the grass and only won by 0.3 sec. I'm certainly not trying to give him a hard time for doing it -- I think some of those shortcuts make it harder. I have a lot of trouble maintaining stability when I try that first shortcut, and I don't want to ruin the whole run right at the beginning.

You definitely have to make good use of partial throttle through the 2nd half of the track, too, as you can see in the video.
 
F310B
What corner is the Karussell? I have PAL and passed the lead car about halfway along the big long straight.
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The Karussell is the first of the two left hand turns which have a "banked" lane built into the road.

I was saying that you have to spot the 5th place car (the first car that you pass) by the time you reach the Karussell. Preferably you should be past him by that point.
 
Oh. I passed the 5th place car on the way up the hill, shortly after the sector split (the split after the right hander 3rd/2nd gear corner). Long time before the banked corner!
 
jbrennen
I actually found that using AT helped me concentrate on my line -- no longer did I need to think about where and when to shift. I suspect now that I've completed the mission, I might be able to go back and do it with MT, but using AT definitely helped me. (And I got all 80 golds and the first 33 missions using MT, so it's not like I'm not accustomed to using the MT...)
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That's pretty funny because I'm completely the opposite. I used MT for the A and B licenses, but I ended up using AT to gold all the rest of the licenses and the first 33 missions, so I'm accustomed to using AT, but I just couldn't do 34 without switching back to MT.

F310B
What corner is the Karussell? I have PAL and passed the lead car about halfway along the big long straight.
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Karussell is the carousel -- the big round left-hand turn with the wall on the right and concrete in the middle of the track.
 
i passed this mission using a control pad and auto gears, i never use the r2 trick either because ive only just found out about it. The key to this mission is basically track knowledge, with this track, the better you know it the faster you go. Your best bet is to free run it with a slower car and when you get consistant with that try a faster car then the mission itself. Hope that helps!
 
i just watched the dori san video, what the hell was he doing, u dont drive on the grass! are we playing gran turismo or burnout????? i thought this was a proper game for proper drivers!
 
pintopete
i thought this was a proper game for proper drivers!
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I think it's called winning by any means necessary. I suppose you can criticize him if you've completed Mission Hall without touching the grass, though.

I'm trying to see if I can ram the leader at the end of the last straight. In GT3 running into the AI was cheap, but in GT4 I think it's fun because it gives you the extra challenge of winning after a 5 sec penalty.
 
it just takes practice. I realy dont see the point in driving across the grass, this game is as close as you get to real driving in real life so i think you should drive like you would in real life, you cant run round a barrier to go faster, thats pretty pathetic i think
 
FC3S5
I beat most missions with ease, but 34 is just too hard. its the very last one, unless more come after you beat this one, im not sure. #34 is the one with the SLR on the ring. the closest ive gotten is within 14 sec, and that was without any 5 sec penalties or sliding way off course. thats also with slipstreaming the last place car halfway down the long strait at the end.

anyone who has beaten this mission, how perfect do you have to drive? obviously you cant make any big mistakes, but do you have to go as fast as possible? also, when should i have passed the 5th place car, and what car should i be slipstreaming at the long strait in order to win?
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Keep trying. It takes a pretty good run but it doesn't have to be perfect. Practice and use the shortcuts. I ran a 9:12:558 and left 1 to 2 seconds on the table, nearly wrecking in the esses before the long strait away and with auto trans.
Passing the other cars without losing time is another key.
 
pintopete
it just takes practice. I realy dont see the point in driving across the grass, this game is as close as you get to real driving in real life so i think you should drive like you would in real life, you cant run round a barrier to go faster, thats pretty pathetic i think
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It's not that unrealistic. It's an obvious fact that you can drive a lot faster in GT4 because you don't have to worry about dying. Is the game unrealistic for letting you drive faster than any sane person would? Similarly, there's nothing about driving on the grass that should make your car instantly explode. If the grass is smooth the only real problem is that you would get no traction and it would be very dangerous. Should you be disqualified for doing it? In the license tests you are. PD made the rules for Mission Hall and they decided you can drive on the grass if you want. I don't see why people need to whine about it.
 
im whining about it because to me its plain old cheating, if your happy to do that fine, but im not, maybe i picked the wrong forum, ill just play my game and keep myself to myself, cant stand seeing anymore grass crossing!
 
pintopete
im whining about it because to me its plain old cheating, if your happy to do that fine, but im not, maybe i picked the wrong forum, ill just play my game and keep myself to myself, cant stand seeing anymore grass crossing!
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Who's it cheating against? You? The way I figure, if someone does this, all they are doing is cheating themselves. So each to their own.
 
BadBatsuMaru
Don't watch that video too closesly, btw. He takes a lot of shortcuts that you rally don't need to (although riding the wall through Karousel saves a little time and it's a good way to pass the 5th car with no worries). In particular, the wall-ride he takes at the turn in the big back straight is unnecessary and slows him down to about 90 MPH when you can actually take that bend at 110 MPH if you stay on the track. Also, the last section before the last straight he could've taken a little faster, too -- he slowed down too much for that last corner with the concrete in it. He also slowed down a little more than you have to on that tricky high-speed left towards the end of the first long straight. You can gain over a second by taking these faster.

I just don't want you to look at that video and think you have to cut the grass to win, seeing as dori-san cut the grass and only won by 0.3 sec. I'm certainly not trying to give him a hard time for doing it -- I think some of those shortcuts make it harder. I have a lot of trouble maintaining stability when I try that first shortcut, and I don't want to ruin the whole run right at the beginning.

You definitely have to make good use of partial throttle through the 2nd half of the track, too, as you can see in the video.
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I actually didn't hit the wall on the small backstraight intentionally. Also, I know I slowed too much for the second little 'candy cane striped' bank. I went in too hot and I'd have gone off if I didn't get hard on the brakes. And I nearly spun out after the long straight. I had no intention of grassing it, but I locked the brakes slowing down and the rumble strip on the left yanked me too far over, causing me to panic and giving too much countersteer to the right, which threw me into the grass.


pintopete
i just watched the dori san video, what the hell was he doing, u dont drive on the grass! are we playing gran turismo or burnout????? i thought this was a proper game for proper drivers!
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Can you post a video of your perfect M34 run please? I'm guessing you probably haven't even done M34 yet. The purpose of my video was to show all the struggling players the minimum amount of screwing up you could do and still pull it off.

Sheesh, am I gonna have to do like a perfect run with all 4 wheels on the pavement at all times winning with a 12 second lead so everyone can get off my back?
 
I shall reiterate it as I have done so very many times... Cutting the grass doesn't defy the rules of the game or the laws of physics, so therefore its not cheating. It's not racing honestly or legitimately, but it's not cheating. Gameshark is cheating. Hybriding is cheating. And as many have already said, they cannot get the first shortcut down without messing up... I on the other hand am much faster cutting the grass there. So I guess it could be said that there is also quite a bit of skill required to pull it off well, a skill which many lack and I happen to possess... so why not take advantage of my uncommon skill?

BadBatsuMaru
It's not that unrealistic. It's an obvious fact that you can drive a lot faster in GT4 because you don't have to worry about dying. Is the game unrealistic for letting you drive faster than any sane person would?
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Seriously. because it's sooo realistic for me to drive a freaking SLR at Nurburgring. In fact, I was doing that in real life just yesterday and tomorrow I'm gonna take my Koenigsegg out for some laps at the Ring too. :rolleyes:
 
I think most people that practice day after day for this, have to wait for over two minutes between each run, and end up losing by less than a second or two countless times, would get the urge to cutt across the grass...
 
Can you post a video of your perfect M34 run please? I'm guessing you probably haven't even done M34 yet. The purpose of my video was to show all the struggling players the minimum amount of screwing up you could do and still pull it off.

Sheesh, am I gonna have to do like a perfect run with all 4 wheels on the pavement at all times winning with a 12 second lead so everyone can get off my back?[/QUOTE]


yes i have done m34, it took a while but i enjoyed taking my time to do it properly, i only had 1.3 seconds in hand at the line.
im not the best player in the world but i really dont see the point in wallriding and grasscutting, like i said though, if your happy to do that good luck to you, to me it looks terrible and goes against the point of the game. I wonder what the creator of the game would think about it? . . . . . . .
 
pintopete
to me it looks terrible and goes against the point of the game. I wonder what the creator of the game would think about it? . . . . . . .
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WTF?

I can tell you exactly what the creators would think. If they didn't want you touching the grass they would've given you a failure for it like the license tests.

So, even though the game allows it, you think players should self-impose more restrictions based on the actual reality of reasonable driving? Have you ever run into a wall in GT4? Did you ever plow into a rock at 100 MPH on Trial Mountain? If so, keep in mind that you are dead and can no longer play GT4. At the very least you need to erase your save data and start over again every time you hit a wall. You should also only be able to attempt Mission 34 twice. After that the other drivers need to go home for dinner.

If that doesn't sound reasonable maybe you need to take a step back and think of how reasonable other people find your comments. I generally avoid driving on the grass; I'm mostly being a devil's advocate here. You're being silly, though. Many people would tell you there's no point in even trying to be realistic about GT4 because the AI is so stupid. The only hope you have for a good driving experience is against a human opponent.

I think one of the most fun things to do in the missions is to not just beat the lead car but to totally take him out of commission. If I do it right I can set him back a lot more than I set myself back after the penalty. I don't see how my Sterling Marlin fantasies make me any less of a good gamer than you.
 
Guys, it's simple:

Beating Mission 34 without cutting corners or wallriding > beating M34 with cutting corners or wallriding > not beating M34 at all
 
I have already made that mission 2 times and the last time I made it , I won by 4 seconds without cutting trough the grass. I think that the most difficult thing about this mission is getting used to the car's steering. there is no need for grasscutting in this misson, although it may improve your times. However, I think that going trough the grass is a little like cheating, and it takes part of the reality from the game.
 
pintopete
forums are for expressing opinions. ive expressed mine, thanks for reading, ill say no more, im obviously a minority, thanks, bye
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I agree with you....

Forums ARE for expressing opinions... They aren't for calling people cheats and belittling their acheivements just because you consider youself morally superior.

As has been said before, PD made the rules, if they wanted to fail you for cutting or wall riding they could have done it, but they didn't so therefore cutting across the grass isn't cheaing despite what you might think.
 

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