MOPAR or Nocar

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i dont have many of the older cars on GT4. i have the camaro SS, the one with the stupid wing and a few british oldies, and thats it.




Well, the one with the stupid wing just happens to be one of the most sought after Mopars (Dodge, Plymouth or Chrysler products) around. The first year of production, 1969, approximately 500 Dodge Charger Daytonas and 500 Plymouth Roadrunner Superbirds were built. Approximately 50 of each had the 426 hemi engines in them. This was done so that they could be raced according to NASCAR's rule that 500 examples had to be built AND sold before the cars could be eligible to race. The first Daytonas and Superbirds didn't hit the NASCAR superspeedways until late in 1969. In 1970 there were aproximately 2000 of each, Daytonas and Superbirds, built for the buying public because of the demand for these cars. 1970 saw some the first OFFICIAL timed lap of over 200 mph on a closed course by a Dodge Daytona. And later in the year Bobby Isaac set the record that stood for many years of 201 or so mph also in a Daytona. Both times were recorded at Talledaga speedway. The available engines in both of these cars were a 383 cubic inch, a 426, a 426 hemi, a 426 wedge and a 440 cubic inch engine. Obviously the 426 hemi is the most sought after but the 440 was the faster car. I guess it has something to do with the mystic of the hemi engine. So, next time you see a Winged Warrior going down the road or at a local car show you'll know why some people think these cars are very collectable.

Hope I wasn't too boring with this little bit of trivia as to why I think the guys at PD decided to include the Superbird in the line-up of cars available. I would have much rather seen a Dodge Daytona (which is the faster of the two) or a Dodge Challenger included in the game. But that's just my opinion.

Until next time boys and girls.
 
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That gtsr doin the burnout is the best pic ive seen in a very long time!
 
Actually to clearify a little on the description of the Super bird and Daytonas,

The Superbird and Dodge Daytona were both one year wonders, the Charger Daytona was produced only in 69, while the Superbird was produced only in 1970, soley for the purpose of bringing Richard Petty back from the Ford Stable. In 1969, if you wanted to run a Car in a Nascar event your Manufactuers vehicle had to have a street fleet of 500 or more cars, Dodges first attempt at a more aerodynamic car was the 1969 Charger 500, this Charger had a rear window plug that fit into the recessed aera of the back window and got a 68 Coronet Grille, this car failed to meet Mopars expectations, and they soon went to design the Daytona. The Daytona was fitted with a Steel, not fiberglass front nose cone to improve its aero dynamics, and recieved the same rear windo plug as the 500, Now during testing the most succesful wing was only about a foot or soo off of the decklid of the car, but this would not allow the truck to be opened(a required feature for a street car) so the wing was made to its size you would see it now. This gave the car an amazing amout of downforce, that combined with a HEMI and its great aero set up produced the first stock car to run a 200 MPH on a closed course. The record was set by Buddy Baker at Alabama Motor Speedway, now known as Talladega Super Speedway. While Productions # are not completely known, at least 500 of each had to be built to comply, so we can assume at least 500 were built in 69. The only available motors were the 375 horse 440 and the mighty 426 HEMI. Rumors of a 1970 Daytona have been circulating, but are unconfirmable. Also Mopar did have plans to produce a 71 Daytona, but in 71 Nascar outlawed the Winged wonders and Mopar dropped the plan. As for performance, the only 1/4 mile time for a Daytona I know of is a 13.92@104 MPH, and that car was a HEMI

Now for the super bird

The Super bird was a 1970 offering designed to win Petty back to plymouth, as in 69 when he did not receive a daytona he defected to Ford. Plymouth picked up where Dodge had left off, the super bird recieved an updated nose cone, to provide better aero, and a new style wing, again whcih gave more downforce than on the Daytona. In 1970 Nascar upped the homogilazation rules and required 1500 of a car to be street built to comply to race, so plymouth quickly forcasted 1,850 units. With the superbird also came 70 Dodge Coronet fenders and hood components. The motors available in this car were the same as its Daytona counter part, however plymouth included the 440 six barrel(Six Pack on dodge cars) to the lineup of available engines. This car would win Petty back to Plymouth in 1970. Even though the Superbirds had the technical advantage, Bobby Isaac would win the 1970 Nascar Grand National series in a 69 Daytona. Like its Daytona brother the Superbird had plans to go on sale again in 1971 but, again Nascar had outlawed the winged cars in 1971 and they dropped the plans. As for performance, the times that i know of are, 14.26@103 for the Six Barrell 440, and 13.50@105 for the HEMI.

On a side note, in 71 you could legaly run a Winged Super Bird or Daytona, but Nascar mandated that you would have to run a 305 CI motor, one driver took that challenge and in 71 he drove the Bobby Allison #22 dodge to 7th place in a 305 powerd 69 Daytona.
 
Swissbear
I hope this isn't a regurgitation of an old thread. I love my MOPARS. At one time there were 6 of them parked in front of my house. Down to only three now. 1966 Plymouth Barracuda Formula S, 1995 Intrepid and a 1999 Durango.

But enough of that. I hope that there are other MOPAR affectionados out there that have some snappy pictures (other than the ones in the "Muscle Cars" thread). These are some that I played around with a bit last night. Not touched up with Photoshop or anything like that but I thought that for "stock" photos they turned out pretty good.









Hope I didn't bore anyone witrh these.


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den brakke
Is the GTO Mopar?

Sorry den, the GTO is a Pontiac. A MOPAR is any car manufactured by Dodge, Plymouth or Chrysler. Years ago it included DeSoto. Since Jeep was bought by Chysrler, Jeep could be included in the MOPAR line these days. So if that logic is followed does that mean that a Mercedes is now considered a MOPAR? :lol:

Nice pics though.
 
Well Bear, Mercedies technically bought into Chrysler, so unfourtunately, Chrysler corp products are actually somewhat Mercedies :yuck:

Also one you forgot to mention was the Eagle, anyone remember the Eagle Talon?

And by the way, when I joined this board I thought I would be the only Mopar guy around, guess I was wrong, and damn proud of it too! 👍
 
Skynyrd142
And by the way, when I joined this board I thought I would be the only Mopar guy around, guess I was wrong, and damn proud of it too! 👍

Just for S***'s and grins here's a picture of my little hot rod that I have parked in my garage........

1966 Plymouth Barracuda Formula S

273 Cu In, 235 HP, 4 speed trans, all original (except wheels, tires and dual exhausts) Limited slip rear, close ratio steering, front disc brakes, engine and chassis numbers matching

1 of 2,729 manufactured in 1966
 

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Skynyrd142
Nascar had outlawed the winged cars in 1971....

On a side note, in 71 you could legaly run a Winged Super Bird or Daytona, but Nascar mandated that you would have to run a 305 CI motor, one driver took that challenge and in 71 he drove the Bobby Allison #22 dodge to 7th place in a 305 powerd 69 Daytona.

Actually, you noted the rule change for the Winged Warriors for 1971. You COULD run one of them but you were limited to a 305 cu in engine. And Dick Brooks drove the Mario Rossi Daytona at Daytona in 1971 and actually led the race for a while before he was involved in a wreck and damaged the car. Just goes to show the superiority of the winged cars. The rest of the field in the Daytona 500 that year had 426 cu in engines for the Dodges and Plymouths and 427 or 429 cu in engines for the Fords. And here's this little 305 cu in engine in the winged Daytona able to hang with them and even lead the race for a spell. Sadly though, that was the only NASCAR race that a Winged Warrior entered that year and was also the last time that one of them was seen in a NASCAR race. They continued winning on the USAC and ARCA circuits through 1971 and were dropped completely for any races in 1972 or 1973.
 
i have 3 t-shirts that say mopar or nocar . i bought em at a car show in ottawa .1 has a superbird on it another has 2 chargers on it and i cant remember wats on the other one :)
 
Thanks for the correction Bear, and by the way, I see the car now, and boy it looks sharp, nice collection of awards you got too! 👍
 
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