More Frustrating that fun?

[GazRwood]

You must love carrots because I can't see a bloody thing.

I do love carrots but i couldn't see much either,lol. I turned the brightness up on the TV and it helped alot.

Best thing to do on that challenge is go and learn the track first instead of race all guns blazing.

I've achieved golds in everything which i can do so far and im upto level 26 without grinding. My next events are the Endurances, not something i consider fun.

I'll have more fun with the game when i've completed everything, i tend to enjoy it more then. Race cars which are at huge dissadvantage and make your own challenges up. Online is great if its against decent races who know how to race and not play bumper cars.

 

[EternityMachine]

I don't know about you guys but i'm enjoying my time more and more as I play it.

^ this. I'm having more and more fun with it each day.

It's not really "frustrating" in the "screw this I'm done" kind of way, more in the "I did something wrong and I need to do better next time." Take a difficult race as you would in real life. Learn from it and try again. I guess the challenge -is- the fun for me. I like things I have to work towards. If the game is becoming more frustrating than fun, maybe it's because you're moving too fast. Slow down and just redo the older races you found to be fun.

From what I've noticed, a lot of people playing this game now (not necessarily referring to the OP) are more concerned with reaching level 40 with 60 golds as fast as possible and not just enjoying the game. It's a racing sim. Use it to race cars you can't afford to race in real life. Enjoy the races. Don't play it as a game, use it as a virtual hobby.

 

[Drakey]

I got so jarred off with Prologue (don`t get a lot of PS playtime with family & work commitments) that I ended up getting a save off someone who`d unlocked everything.
I reckon, give it a few more months I`ll have exhausted my patience with the game and will opt for this route again.
Just to be able to pick a car, pick a track and enjoy the driving experiance.
I`ve read loads on this site (which is great and has been a great help) about achieving golds etc, and having to do this to the engine, set suspension to this, steering settings to that, even reloading races untill opponents are of a specific type, `then` gold will be in your grasp!!!! not what I want from a driving game !!!!!!

 

[GODfreyGT5]

Lvl 23 A-Spec
Lvl 20 B-Spec

THIS GAME IS AMAZING!!!!!

 

[RacingManiac]

I am still having fun, but when the frustration comes it comes in the form of some of the more annoying design of the game. The sheer arbitrary-ness of the DQ system for one, and getting PIT maneuver by the AI in NASCAR race for another. Haven't got around to do the grand tour or finishing the rally events(or Gold the N-ring tests) yet so I still have something else to do at half way through lvl 23 before really needing to grind. I also dislike the uneven-ness in the AI speed. There are times when I am hopeless in catching the AI on one track and blowing them out of the water at others, in identical cars against similar competition....the Like-The-Wind races(easy) vs some of the All-Star race comes to mind(R246 was a b*tch)....

I am dreading to have to sit through B-spec, but i want to win more cars so I can do more of what I like, that is driving...

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I understand where the OP is coming from. I think I'm on verge of giving up on GT Mode and just doing time trials and trying to find decent races online.

 

[skywolf23]

Early on i would say the game is hardly frustrating, i mean the special challenges in the first 10 0r 12 levels are supremely easy to gold and get a bunch of cr and xp. The early on license tests are pretty easy to silver and gain a bunch of xp.

You have a ton more cr early on to upgrade, buy etc whatever cars you wish, can use any tires in any race, making the races far too easy imo.

First slam your head into the wall annoying stuff kicks in for the top gear challenges, due to the games horrible design decisions to turn on penalties and stick a sports car on hard comfort tires. I mean the tg camper challenge kinda the point of the whole thing (in the real show) was that racing them was boring and pointless and it turned into a smash up derby, well and the fact that the tg team thinks campers are the spawn of satan, but in the challenge if you so much as brush a camper it can dq you.

Then you get the odd difficulty races scattered in where the ai gets massively op cars that would cost you millions of credits to buy to be on a even playing field.

Then you get the level wall at some point for a spec and b spec that will force you to grind, tho adding xp and cr for online will hep this out a good bit.

I do not think overall the game is more frustrating than past GTs tho i mean when i say gt3 or gt4 and truck or lotus series race i have night sweats about loathing those races. I have memories of barely squeeking by in early levels because money was tight and you would never be able to afford let alone use a massively op car to win a series easily, and if you had to upgrade to win a series you were going to be grinding races period to earn the cr to do it.

Where gt5 kinda slaps you is the uneven nature of the beast.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

The truck race in GT4 was very easy imo. I was just learning the game and won it with ease on the first try. The Lotus race was easy as well.

The Speedster race was a bit different even if you fully upgraded the Opel you still had a race on your hands and if you left off the turbo it was worth 200 spec points and you had to drive to win it. That was cool.

Also in GT4 instead of buying a car right away you could go do the first 2 driving tests and get a couple of cars or more if you did better than bronze and then use your money to upgrade the best car and head into the easy special events where you could win the Caddy Concept car and destroy the field in many races including the 2nd special event where you got the rally raid car which you could sell for over 250k and repeat as many times as you liked. If you used this approach then money was never an issue.

Also if you had GT3 save you could import up to 100k credits to start you off right.

 

[AngloAmerican]

The word fustrating doesn't even start to describe it.

I dont know about you guys, but im constantly having to avoid the AI at the expense of lap times, all because of how they are if you get close to them.

Heck you dont even need to be close to them, to have them ram into you from behind or side swipe you at any chance they get. It totally ruins the racing for me, as i have to always blast out in front to avoid them, all the while missing the close quarters racing of previous years.

Yeah the AI has always had issues. but damn this time they just suck big time.

AA

 

[skywolf23]

Well i hated the handling of the lotus in that game, and racing trucks is like driving a concrete brick around a track. Know i did not win them with ease at lest. Probably was still racing with a controller back then to since i did not buy a wheel until about s class in gt4.

 

[Shaneman]

The key to the game is setting "goals" for yourself. One I got the minolta I thought I was almost done playing. I go online, and got smoked by a formula GT. Mission 2:get me a formula gt. A day later I get formula GT and think, this is the end of the road. Again I go online and get smoked by an X1. So now this is my new goal. Acquiring this X1. After that, it may be time to retire, or is there something better than x1??? Hmm... Stay focused, be persistent. The game hasn't failed to change for the worse yet. Going for lvl 30 a-spec this evening.

 

[Uscbryan]

I'm fairly new to GT5 and I didn't have much of a problem with that so maybe just practice. Its a little difficult to see in the dark but at high speeds I don't know how much of the road headlights are supposed to light up. I mean they can only illuminate so much.

I played online last night for about 3 hours with a group of guys I had just met. It was great. Nobody intentionally rammed each other and the lead changed quite a bit. Well I was killing them every race once I started using my Mercedes touring car which met their HP limit but then they got tired of me winning and raised the weight limit and I had to change cars.

Been online for about 2 weeks. Had the bad experience as well but those were rare.

BTW of course the game is challenging and irritating. It sucks to lose and it's easy to blame everything on the game. I even started a thread here basically calling the AI in the formula gran turismo race a CHEATER! But it's me because every race I almost broke my wheel over at one time, the Yaris race included, I have come back to beat pretty easily.

As for the so called "grind". What, do real race car drivers not race a track because they raced it before? do the American championship in the RM ZR1. 98k for less than 4 min of turning left and no brakes. Did it last night and made the 4 mill I needed for the Paugot I wanted. Probably do it again tonight to get the Enzo.

What about going back and doing all the races with a car closer in HP to the AI's? What about just doing laps on different tracks to get better and beat your time and make money in the process? Then there is online which is great and will be better if they start some time of prize system for the winners.

GT5 is supposed to be a simulator not an arcade game. If you are going to simulate real racing then why not simulate the grind as well? I have never been a pro racer but I gotta think they spend hours and hours grinding around the same track for practice.

Is it me or has this game become more frustrating than fun? It took me 2 hours to finish the lambo event at toscana because I pretty much could not see where I was driving. Instead of stupid fireworks they should have made better headlights. Then there is the unequal powered cars. Sometimes you get in a race and do a lap or two to get ahead of the pack, only to realize there are 2 more cars 10sec ahead of you. Same in rally also. You can be neck and neck with two of the cars, but the third car will be like 5 seconds ahead of everybody. I did the Vitz challenge with a yaris and for some reason all those cars were faster than me on the straights! This is not fun its frustrating!

Don't get me started about online. I haven't had a single clean race ever since the game came out. Having finished most of the events in the single player mode, I don't have anything else to do but do the same races over. And I'm not going to use b-spec mode because i want to drive the car myself, not watch the AI drive.

this started sounding like a rant which is what i didn't want happening but i feel like this is the least fun GT in the series. More frustrating than fun to be honest.

 

[InSight]

The key to the game is setting "goals" for yourself. One I got the minolta I thought I was almost done playing. I go online, and got smoked by a formula GT. Mission 2:get me a formula gt. A day later I get formula GT and think, this is the end of the road. Again I go online and get smoked by an X1. So now this is my new goal. Acquiring this X1. After that, it may be time to retire, or is there something better than x1??? Hmm... Stay focused, be persistent. The game hasn't failed to change for the worse yet. Going for lvl 30 a-spec this evening.

THIS is where the fun begins; minolta, LMPs, FGT, X1,... not those yaris and mini Japanese nonsense!

 

[arrowp]

look, for a game that took 5 years to develop, there are many, many flaws that translate into frustration. i'm a die hard fan of the GT series, hell, i bought my last 3 cars because i drove them first on a GT game. but this one is not good enough, at least to me.

i have a feeling that this game is somewhat schizophrenic. its trying to be a sim, to feel like a sim, but its very arcadey in some things (damage, AI, bumping effect, tracks that you can jump 3 meters off ground - not rally, racetracks) and kinda RPG-like in others (XP and credits system). its personality (or lack of it) is a train wreck. i never had this feeling with the other GT games, although AI was flawed, but then, those wre other times.

some things, like the toscana race, are a real mess. maybe they tried to emulate night driving, but sorry, it's just a pitiful attempt.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Well i hated the handling of the lotus in that game, and racing trucks is like driving a concrete brick around a track. Know i did not win them with ease at lest. Probably was still racing with a controller back then to since i did not buy a wheel until about s class in gt4.

I was using the controller as well but the F150 drives great. I even had it out on the ring hitting near 200 mph and it felt more like a car. The Dodge is another story though, while it can win with ease and get lots of spec points due to a bug in the game it does drive like a brick.

The Lotus drives great if you stick a wing on it.

 

[gold_ultima]

I'm totally confused by all the people who seem to dislike online. I had my first online race last night and it was the best thing ever. My buddy and I raced for several hours, with randoms jumping in and out of the game and we all raced very clean. Everyone did well avoiding each other and passing cleanly. Honestly, if GT5 didn't have online, I wouldn't have bought it and I'd have kept playing GT4. Just saying....

 

[imaROBOT_]

Is it me or has this game become more frustrating than fun? It took me 2 hours to finish the lambo event at toscana because I pretty much could not see where I was driving. Instead of stupid fireworks they should have made better headlights. Then there is the unequal powered cars. Sometimes you get in a race and do a lap or two to get ahead of the pack, only to realize there are 2 more cars 10sec ahead of you. Same in rally also. You can be neck and neck with two of the cars, but the third car will be like 5 seconds ahead of everybody. I did the Vitz challenge with a yaris and for some reason all those cars were faster than me on the straights! This is not fun its frustrating!

Don't get me started about online. I haven't had a single clean race ever since the game came out. Having finished most of the events in the single player mode, I don't have anything else to do but do the same races over. And I'm not going to use b-spec mode because i want to drive the car myself, not watch the AI drive.

this started sounding like a rant which is what i didn't want happening but i feel like this is the least fun GT in the series. More frustrating than fun to be honest.

If the cars are faster on the straights than tune it better for the track you're racing on. You just want them to hand you a fast car you will always win in? I certainly don't.

I also love the online racing. I've been in many lobbys with random people that all raced clean. There was 12 players at one point and we had a really close race. Only average 3 seconds between each person finishing. There have been times when you get into a bad lobby, but just leave if you do. Better than having a bad matchmaking system randomly throw you in a random room.

 

[pumaATTACK]

this started sounding like a rant which is what i didn't want happening but i feel like this is the least fun GT in the series. More frustrating than fun to be honest.

I agree, completely disappointed with GT5.

I loved all the prior games but this one sucks to be honest.

Bored with it after two weeks, that took two years with the earlier titles...

Why are the prize cars POS that nobody will ever use!

Give us damn racing cars for winning events, not the same ****** 350z all the time.

I used to get touring cars or race cars for events, not Civics and the SAME audi quattro for two different events...

 

[imaROBOT_]

I agree, completely disappointed with GT5.

I loved all the prior games but this one sucks to be honest.

Bored with it after two weeks, that took two years with the earlier titles...

Why are the prize cars POS that nobody will ever use!

Give us damn racing cars for winning events, not the same ****** 350z all the time.

I used to get touring cars or race cars for events, not Civics and the SAME audi quattro for two different events...

I've never got a 350z from winning an event, or a audi as a matter of fact. I wonder if they are some how random?

What events did you get 350z's from? It could be I just haven't finished those races. I'm level 20, though so I'm pretty far.

 

[pumaATTACK]

I've never got a 350z from winning an event, or a audi as a matter of fact. I wonder if they are some how random?

What events did you get 350z's from? It could be I just haven't finished those races. I'm level 20, though so I'm pretty far.

I dont remember the exact races or events now but there are about 15 variations of the 350z, fairlady or GTR in my garage...

And I got two Audi Pikes Peak Quattros that are useless and they will not let me sell them...

Whatever happened to winning the A4 touring car like in GT4, now that was a sweet car to win and a blast to drive.

Thanks for nothing PD.

 

[cypher2004]

Yes, the Yaris race is frustrating. I made the mistake of using the "free" price car. Even tuned it struggles against the 1.5 turbos. Better off just buying the sportier version to start with.

In general though, I sympathise with the OP, but although some parts are frustrating, there is enough breadth to this game to side step the frustrating bits:tup:

Sporty Yaris is an oxymoron

 

[imaROBOT_]

I dont remember the exact races or events now but there are about 15 variations of the 350z, fairlady or GTR in my garage...

And I got two Audi Pikes Peak Quattros that are useless and they will not let me sell them...

Whatever happened to winning the A4 touring car like in GT4, now that was a sweet car to win and a blast to drive.

Thanks for nothing PD.

That's the worst part is they won't let you sell them. My garage is starting to fill up with crap cars I'll never use.

 

[Uscbryan]

Do we know they were working on it for 5 years? I keep hearing that but some say they made the psp priority so they weren't working for 5 years.

look, for a game that took 5 years to develop, there are many, many flaws that translate into frustration. i'm a die hard fan of the GT series, hell, i bought my last 3 cars because i drove them first on a GT game. but this one is not good enough, at least to me.

i have a feeling that this game is somewhat schizophrenic. its trying to be a sim, to feel like a sim, but its very arcadey in some things (damage, AI, bumping effect, tracks that you can jump 3 meters off ground - not rally, racetracks) and kinda RPG-like in others (XP and credits system). its personality (or lack of it) is a train wreck. i never had this feeling with the other GT games, although AI was flawed, but then, those wre other times.

some things, like the toscana race, are a real mess. maybe they tried to emulate night driving, but sorry, it's just a pitiful attempt.

 

[RzB]

All These threads just tell me one thing. People really suck at night driving, and yes that Lambo is tough to handle at first thats the point... hence the challenge... Duh...

 

[phhsdiego]

they instead have focused pretty much solely on the experience of driving the cars.

I would suggest that as a good thing?
Don't treat it like a video game, in the traditional sense, and I think you'll get a lot more enjoyment out of it.
Just use it to drive cars you never could/would be able to in real life.

 

[sems4arsenal]

I do agree some events are pretty difficult (I don't use traction control so alot for me).But every game has them If you want everything easy that where is the fun in that sometimes fun is part of the frustration.It sometimes actually ends in laughter like when you get destroyed playing call of duty online with veterans while your family is watching or when you are playing the Sebastien Loeb challenge and when you fail you sort scream Man that guy is fast Just enjoy them and feel the delight when you surpass them 👍

 

[DrTrouserPlank]

I haven't tried racing online yet, but in the unlikely event that I actually find a group of clean racers, I'm in two minds as to how to race.

Should I just let people drive around me because they've got a better exit or a tow down the straight, or should I do what I ought to be able to do which is move to cover their overtake, moving only once, and then retaking my line as appropriate on approaching the corner (ie: obeying the weaving rule observed in all motorsport).

I suspect allowing them to drive around me will probably be easier as many people manage to crash purely of their own devices, and I also suspect that moving to cover them will initiate only one response; a rear ending for me that leaves me in the gravel a corner or two after.

Seeing as this isn't professional racing, and we can't make assumptions about people's intentions, understanding (and/or) respect for people's lines and so on it's a dilemma.

Contact is fine (especially side-on-side contact) in corners (this is a game and not professional racing after all), but what isn't fine is being oblivious to the person on your outside/inside and running them off the track by pure force as a result.

 

[pumaATTACK]

I haven't tried racing online yet, but in the unlikely event that I actually find a group of clean racers, I'm in two minds as to how to race.

Should I just let people drive around me because they've got a better exit or a tow down the straight, or should I do what I ought to be able to do which is move to cover their overtake, moving only once, and then retaking my line as appropriate on approaching the corner (ie: obeying the weaving rule observed in all motorsport).

I suspect allowing them to drive around me will probably be easier as many people manage to crash purely of their own devices, and I also suspect that moving to cover them will initiate only one response; a rear ending for me that leaves me in the gravel a corner or two after.

Seeing as this isn't professional racing, and we can't make assumptions about people's intentions, understanding (and/or) respect for people's lines and so on it's a dilemma.

Contact is fine (especially side-on-side contact) in corners (this is a game and not professional racing after all), but what isn't fine is being oblivious to the person on your outside/inside and running them off the track by pure force as a result.

I was really excited for online racing, but boy was I disappointed.

People just get the fastest car and crash it around the track, not one good race yet online. Just morons trying to crash each other like it is GTA

 

[MowTin]

More fun than frustrating.

Haha, the Yaris race. I made the same mistake of using that crappy Yaris prize car and got smoked by the Yaris turbos on the straights. I won that race in an underpowered car, it was really exciting because on the last straight I had to do some very desperate blocking to keep the AI from passing me. But you can't blame the game because you brought an underpowered car to the race.

But yes, I am frustrated. I'm trying to Gold all of the licenses but some of the times seem damn near impossible. Somehow I managed to get passed that slalom with the mini cooper after a million attempts but now comes yet another slalom! Noooo! And I can't shave that extra tenth of second off my time in IC-3 to gold it. I've tried maybe 100 times.

Yes, it's frustrating but I'm loving it. It's a challenge. Games now-a-days are too easy. I paid $65 for COD2 and I finished it in two days on hard. I've already put 10 times more time into GT5's single player campaign than COD2 and I'm not even halfway through.

 

[Devedander]

Yes, the Yaris race is frustrating. I made the mistake of using the "free" price car. Even tuned it struggles against the 1.5 turbos. Better off just buying the sportier version to start with.

In general though, I sympathise with the OP, but although some parts are frustrating, there is enough breadth to this game to side step the frustrating bits:tup:

I found this not to be true... with the free Vitz you could do just the basic tune ups and still be very competitive and win. Cheapest air filter, Cheapest exhaust upgrade, level 1 engine and stage 1 turbo and some better tires and I had it done.