More Realistic Engine Braking?

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In the previous GT games I think the engine braking could have been more better. I've experienced engine braking in real life and when i downshift in a gran turismo game it wasn't as life like so to speak. I hope they improve the engine braking in the next GT games.

Do u think the engine braking is just fine or needs to be improved or wat?
 
engine braking is using the gears to slow you down. Say you're approaching a hairpin. You got a little too much speed. You downshift a little early. You know how the car can only go as fast as the gears let it? well dowshifting earlier FORCES the engine to slow down, thus the name, ENGINE braking. Hard to explain really, that's the best I can do.

Yeah, I think it could be improved a little. It'd be nice to have it so that my car could drift a little more stable while on a wet surface.
 
I6-4-eva
what's engine braking? :confused:
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Engine Braking-slowing of a vehicle by taking your foot off the gas, particularly in a lower gear (ex. 1st gear). Engine braking uses the compression of the engine and the low gearin g of the transmission/ transfer gearbox to slow the vehicle.
 
Engine braking is indeed very lacking in GT series, in any gran turismo game letting go of the accelerator is rarely dangerous... when in real life, letting go completley of the accelerator while turning could result in loss of control.
say you have an S2000 at 8,000 RPM while turning at very high speed.. and you suddenly let go of the accelrator, the outcome is something not many people would like, it could cause serious loss of control.

in the GT series it's allmost a non feature (even in GT4P)... i hope they get it right in the final version.
 
Engine braking doesn't really exist in GT. It would be cool of the controler/DFP vibrates once you downshift in a manual tranny. Especially if you jump from 6th to 3rd...
 
Deceleration isn't threatening in GT and engine braking is essentially non existent in terms of down shifting. I suppose it's a bit complex to implement because proper engine braking requires slow, meticulous use of the clutch so the RPMs don't skyrocket but just having the engine over-revving and not selecting the gear always irritates me. But I guess that's what the brakes are for, since there's no brake wear.
 
I onced tried to convince a friend I know from r/l racing to try GT3. The absence of the dangerous effect of going of the throttle was his first argument against the game.

The second was the fact that the game allows you to recover a slip from too great an angle.

More realistic engine braking would be a challenge for me. When I see in some replay videos how some people drive this game, switching off throttle/full throttle all the time to get their car properly through a turn :sly: looks awfull. The bad thing is that the game allows them to be fast this way.
 
Buggy Boy
More realistic engine braking would be a challenge for me. When I see in some replay videos how some people drive this game, switching off throttle/full throttle all the time to get their car properly through a turn :sly: looks awfull. The bad thing is that the game allows them to be fast this way.
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If im right in thinking you mean " blipping the throttle " I.E - on / off / on / off -
when cornering ,

Then maybe you should watch a few more motorsports video's or get a ride around a track in a car with a pro driver .
When you are cornering hard & especially in a rear wheel drive car , the need to " blip the throttle " is sometimes required to keep the back end of the car in check ,or to create a tiny bit of oversteer in order to get track position .

However this does only apply on slow speed corners , if this is attempted on a high speed corner , then its into the barrier you go .it can be done but the throttle has to be featherd ( lightly ) as apposed to stabbing at it .

i sometimes use the " throttle blipping " method when i have gone to far into a slow corner on the brakes , as i said it helps to keep a good relative speed going & also to gain track position .this does apply to GT and the real world .
 
Ummmmm, look up rev matching...
There is no severity in downshifting because the game rev-matches for you.
You might try it in a real car. In third, up to 5k, disengage the clutch, downshift, re-engage the clutch. A severe pull will occur. This can lead to sliding (See: Shiftlock). However, if you give the throttle a blip while the clutch pedal is down (See: Heel-toe) to bring the engine to a speed appropriate for that second gear (or whatever) at that speed, the effect will be much less noticable.
 
georgeymoney
Ummmmm, look up rev matching...
There is no severity in downshifting because the game rev-matches for you.
You might try it in a real car. In third, up to 5k, disengage the clutch, downshift, re-engage the clutch. A severe pull will occur. This can lead to sliding (See: Shiftlock). However, if you give the throttle a blip while the clutch pedal is down (See: Heel-toe) to bring the engine to a speed appropriate for that second gear (or whatever) at that speed, the effect will be much less noticable.
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And actually, GT3's physics engine factored in weight shifting while changing gears during heavy braking -- you can actually enter a turn in a much more stable state by holding your current gear as long as possible and limiting gear changes during deceleration.
 
georgymoney got it right

the game auto rev match. That's why you can't really use shift lock to drift in the game. but I also agree that in the GTs so far losing control isn't really easy unless u're like a total first timer at the game.

I'd like to start drifts just by letting go of the throttle mid corner and flooring it .. like in D1 gran prix... yes .. the cars a modified.. but hey when u modify the car in GT4 we should be able to do that too :)

drifting is FUN ^^
 
I think so far that the engine braking has been poor.......the car would just violently redline if you shifted down, even at an appropriate speed.....realistic engine braking is a must......I want to see the car lunge foreward and slow like its being pulled backwards as you shift down.....right now there is really no noticeable deceleration.......
 
ERB
If im right in thinking you mean " blipping the throttle " I.E - on / off / on / off -
when cornering ,

Then maybe you should watch a few more motorsports video's or get a ride around a track in a car with a pro driver .
When you are cornering hard & especially in a rear wheel drive car , the need to " blip the throttle " is sometimes required to keep the back end of the car in check ,or to create a tiny bit of oversteer in order to get track position .

However this does only apply on slow speed corners , if this is attempted on a high speed corner , then its into the barrier you go .it can be done but the throttle has to be featherd ( lightly ) as apposed to stabbing at it .

i sometimes use the " throttle blipping " method when i have gone to far into a slow corner on the brakes , as i said it helps to keep a good relative speed going & also to gain track position .this does apply to GT and the real world .
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Well, never too late to learn :)

But I agree with you. The awfull behaviour :sick: I wanted to describe is more like moving the stick from most forward to a rearward position, i.e. full throttle - brake - full throttle.
 
don't all semi trucks have engine brakes from what I've been told its when you brake with just your engine insted of the brake pads
 
That's compression braking, the thing you see signs asking them to limit in residential areas. Uses something electronic I don't know about to slow the engine and brake the truck.
 
you must remeber that your stock car that you drive day to day doesnt have engine braking (but a motor bike does) maybe when you do some upgrades to the engine they should errrr not include engine braking but make it so when you get your engine blanced the engine gets engine braking.

i still reckon there needs to be two versions of GT4 one thats got the same amount of adjustments as gt3 and a pro version where you can adjust cr@p like engine braking, cam sizes, thermo fan speed and even the option to adjust front left shock inderpendly from the front right
 
still then the amount of engine braking isn't at the same levels of a race car.

i remember watching an incare video of a 037 and it had a wicked amount of engine braking, i was impressed
 
First off, EVERY car in the world has engine braking, but not all are equal in the effectiveness.

Second, Engine braking has NOTHING to do with how much power your making. It has to do with what parts are attached to the motor and how heavy/light they are. ie: a heavy flywheel will reduce engine braking.
 
Using your gears to brake is a better term than engine braking. Obviusly you have sweet FA gear braking in an Auto's, again which GT has right.

Yes, it works and works well depending what the rev ranges you are in when changing down. 2ndly gear braking also reduces the chance of locking up your wheels under hard braking. Even with ABS and definiately better than ABS in the wet (standard road cars anyway).

It is evident in GT4P but works best in conjunction with using the brakes.

The only issue in GT if you mis-hit buttons, or gear change ( going down 2 gears instead of 1 ) It throws you into a skid rather than destroying your gearbox and blowing your pistons out of the bonnet.

Yup, I am a new poster but have been reading the threads for weeks. So G'day to all.
 
Mr Aston Martin
Using your gears to brake is a better term than engine braking. Obviusly you have sweet FA gear braking in an Auto's, again which GT has right.

Yes, it works and works well depending what the rev ranges you are in when changing down. 2ndly gear braking also reduces the chance of locking up your wheels under hard braking. Even with ABS and definiately better than ABS in the wet (standard road cars anyway).

It is evident in GT4P but works best in conjunction with using the brakes.

The only issue in GT if you mis-hit buttons, or gear change ( going down 2 gears instead of 1 ) It throws you into a skid rather than destroying your gearbox and blowing your pistons out of the bonnet.

Yup, I am a new poster but have been reading the threads for weeks. So G'day to all.
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actually, engine braking is the proper term, trust me. The engine slows the car down, the gears are just the next closest thing to the driver input of how much he wants to slow down. That'll probly sound very confusing but it's hard to put into words right now. Yes gearing down will slow you down, but it's the motor deccelerating that's doing most of the work.
 
Hi Civic

I understand what you mean.

But I am refering to it this way as a car with Auto gearbox and the same engine as a manual gearbox will not decelerate anywhere near as well. The braking is only as good as the interface that controls it and auto's do not have that flexabillity in the interface to the engine.
 
Mr Aston Martin
Hi Civic

I understand what you mean.

But I am refering to it this way as a car with Auto gearbox and the same engine as a manual gearbox will not decelerate anywhere near as well. The braking is only as good as the interface that controls it and auto's do not have that flexabillity in the interface to the engine.
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aahhhh ok, sorry my bad I misunderstood. What you just said makes complete sense. 👍
 
Try driving the F094S on Laguna seca, you will feel the engine brakeing. If you let off too hard or let the revs drop too much the rear wheels will lock up and you will spin out. I guess it's not that noticeable on any other car but it is there.
 

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