Mosley comes up with radical engine plan

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It is no secret that Max Mosley, FIA President, is a big fan of shaken up the rules in Formula One. This time he came up with a radical new engine plan. Although this year we'll see V8 engines for the first time, Mosley now came up with the idea to allow every sort of engine in F1, but give teams a maximum amount of fuel to use per race.

"All kinds of engines will be allowed to use," Mosley told Gazzetta dello Sport. "But each car will have the same amount of fuel that it may use. So the engine rule is based on the consumption of the engine. The winner of the race is the one that uses his fuel to the maximum."
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I like it. It will allow different types of engines to surface once again, and it also has more real world applications because fuel efficiency is paid even more attention.
 
I like the idea of allowing multiple configurations. It would be nice to see how large of displacement would be allowed. Unlike the recent V10s and now V8s, this plan has a much more large real world application.
 
Yeah thats a cool idea, but once again takes more out of the actual racing...
 
I like the idea, but I also kinda think it does take away from the racing, at least the fuel part. I do want to see the return of multiple engine configurations though.
 
FINALLY! Mosley is starting to redeem things. Will engines still have to be NA, though? If not, that would be hella scary. The world can actually benefit from this change now.
 
I'm sure if this type of rule change was put into effect, the engines would be required to be naturally aspirated. I don't really see the naturally aspirated part changing, just the ability to change the type of configuration. The engineers could quickly make a ton of horsepower out of a turbocharged engine. It is much easier to just stuff a ton of boost into an engine and make power than it is to make power out of a non-forced induction engine.
 
It could have problems, though. I’d hate the races to turn into a fuel consumption exercise. Coasting towards corners, sitting behind someone (rather than overtaking them) just because it will save fuel etc.

I know that is a little extreme, but if the amount of fuel is set too low, it wouldn’t suprise me.

On the turbo v.s. NA arguement, I think NA would be forced upon the teams, but turbo would be exciting. :sly:
 
I love the idea of unrestricted engine configurations, this would interest me much more in F1 aslong as they dont all start using a similar engine config.
 
Well, they will eventually. A certain configuration will be found which is the best compromise between power and fuel economy.
 
Blake
Well, they will eventually. A certain configuration will be found which is the best compromise between power and fuel economy.
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Yep and thats when the rules will probably be changed again.
 
The constant rule changing has turned F1 into a circus. The manufacturers need to break off and make their own series.
 
I'd say stick to the V8 configuration. It must have four cams, no more than four valves per cylinder, instead of those pneumatic cylinders revert back valve springs, rev limit at 12,000rpm. Engine electronics should be provided by the sanctioning body (FIA) similar to cost cutting measures in the WRC. This should leave development within this tight box and should never get out of it.
 
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I'd say stick to the V8 configuration. It must have four cams, no more than four valves per cylinder, instead of those pneumatic cylinders revert back valve springs, rev limit at 12,000rpm. Engine electronics should be provided by the sanctioning body (FIA) similar to cost cutting measures in the WRC. This should leave development within this tight box and should never get out of it.
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:scared: I'm sorry, are you talking about Formula 1? Because it sure sounds like you're talking about A$$CAR, uh, I mean NASCAR. Everything you said there goes completely against what F1 is, was, and always should be. You, sir, have COMPLETELY missed the point of F1.:dunce: Please, everybody, keep this post in mind as exactly what we DO NOT want for our beloved F1.:yuck: The world's greatest racing series SHOULD NOT be turned into another spec series. It has become all too close to being a spec series already, and far too restricted, IMO, anything more could be disasterous.


On topic: Do you think turbine engines would count under this new, "Anything goes" format?
 
Blake
Well, they will eventually. A certain configuration will be found which is the best compromise between power and fuel economy.
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Isn't that the reason everyone ended up using V10's in the first place? :dunce:
 
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:scared: I'm sorry, are you talking about Formula 1? Because it sure sounds like you're talking about A$$CAR, uh, I mean NASCAR. Everything you said there goes completely against what F1 is, was, and always should be. You, sir, have COMPLETELY missed the point of F1.:dunce: Please, everybody, keep this post in mind as exactly what we DO NOT want for our beloved F1.:yuck: The world's greatest racing series SHOULD NOT be turned into another spec series. It has become all too close to being a spec series already, and far too restricted, IMO, anything more could be disasterous.
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I pretty much agree with this. F1 is not meant to be spec anything. Even when the FIA restricts the use of certain items, materials, etc., the engineers find ways to gain back any loss with new items, materials, etc. This also has a way of driving up costs. Restricted or not, the teams find ways to spend lots and lots of money.
 
I just wish, they would freakin finalise a final bloody plan for the rules and regulations. As Poverty mentioned, the rule changing is getting beyond a joke!
 
Poverty
V12 diesels if audi decides to join F1 which their rumouredly considiring.
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Gasoline is sticking to F1 like glue. That diesel V12 sounds more exclusive to Endurance Racing.
 
Diesel is heavy. My prediction is that everyone starts running flat-8's or 10's or something. That would be interesting...

I think it would also change the shape of the cars by a longshot.
 
I don't think any flat engine configuration would be used. I have heard for reasons I don't really know that flat engine configurations cannot be used as stressed members. This is one of the reasons why the Porsche RS Spyder in the LMP2 class in ALMS does not have a flat engine, but instead a V8. It was also a reason why the V10 in the Porsche Carrera GT was developed. Remember the V10 in the Carrera GT was originally intended for LMP use; but since Porsche cancelled that program, they had to find a use for the engine.
 
...8 Rotor F1 car? It'll sound like a gnat. *BZZZZZZZFFTTT[gnatsound]*
 
the power from that would be amazing, they would have to line the cylinders with 6 month old weetabix or diamonds! Mazda got 200+bhp from a 1.3 rotary engine (wankle, lol) which has 3 roters (thats a guess) so how mush power would a 8 rotary engine get? here's an estimate of how mush power a rotary engine would get, 10,000,000bhp, do you think i'm close? lol
 
joseph dobson
Mazda got 200+bhp from a 1.3 rotary engine (wankle, lol) which has 3 roters (thats a guess)
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The 13B has two rotors.

an 8 rotor rotary would be way too long, even 4 rotor rotarys (26B) take up alot of room, unless the rotors where build very small.
 
So if this plan goes into effect, what sort of HP numbers would come out? would there be the 1000HP numbers of the 80's during the turbos...or 900HP numbers of last season? And what types of engine's have been used in F1???
 

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