Most Balanced Nxxx Classes?

[Stotty]

The GT3 RS does have some widowmaker tendencies, but that’s how the RR layout is - front is too light and can cause understeer, yet the rear steering and wide front tires minimizes those chances of that happening. RR cars aren’t beginner friendly and I tend to make costly mistakes in the RS too.

Stock, GT3RS is hampered by 1.00 +ve rear toe. When you remove this it turns much better. Even better still if you fit custom diff and set devel to min.

Becomes a lot more challenging to drive though.

I can’t believe anyone can’t drive the stock GT3 well enough to beat GTRs. GTR is an understeering pig of a car.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Stock, GT3RS is hampered by 1.00 +ve rear toe. When you remove this it turns much better. Even better still if you fit custom diff and set devel to min.

Becomes a lot more challenging to drive though.

I can’t believe anyone can’t drive the stock GT3 well enough to beat GTRs. GTR is an understeering pig of a car.

Wait, did anyone say in this thread that they haven't beaten a GTR in a GT3?
No way that's impossible

 

[MisterWaffles]

I remember driving in an N500 recently and there was a guy driving a Subaru WRX STi (the non-Gr.B version) and he was hanging with a Ferrari F40 for most of the race! The Ferrari driver was in first so I don’t think he was a bad driver. That was just kind of odd to see, a Subaru keeping up with an F40.

I hope PD adds minimum/maximum horsepower and weight requirement like GT6 at some point.

 

[polizei]

Update: Alpine dominates N300 now.

 

[RCKakashi14]

Stock, GT3RS is hampered by 1.00 +ve rear toe. When you remove this it turns much better. Even better still if you fit custom diff and set devel to min.

Becomes a lot more challenging to drive though.

I can’t believe anyone can’t drive the stock GT3 well enough to beat GTRs. GTR is an understeering pig of a car.

Rear toe of 1 degree is hilarious. PD must have been drunk.

But yeah, I enjoy the GT3 RS a lot, that I own 7 of them.

And whenever I see some GT3 RS drivers in lobby rooms I set, they tend to struggle. However I encounter skilled ones too.

 

[Jumbone1]

Hello to all, and to all, hello.

I'm putting together a local GTS league here in Iceland, and as I've finally got enough participants to get the ball rolling I'm starting to craft the schedule.

The season will start late March/early April and will consist of 12 races, averaging 2 per month. The plan is to have it a mixed league, as in not a set category of cars throughout the season. I do plan on using Gr.3 and Gr.4 more then others, but I also plan on throwing in some Nxxx class races and possibly some one-makes.

So my question to you guys is, what are the most balanced Nxxx classes in the game in your opinion?

First of all make sure BoP is on, choose an N Class and hit a few tracks with various characteristics in time trial mode, this will reveal the fastest cars. If there are any fast outlier's then you can either add weight/less hp or choose a slower tyre to balance each car. But I'm not sure you can do this for car selections with other lobby users online...or know if it's possible to keep track of what other players hp/weight is? So will be difficult to enforce rules.

You can check tyre compounds in replays so tyre balancing maybe the best way to go to balance pace.

The other option is to ban outlier cars such as GT3 RS, Alfa 4C, Xbow etc.

 

[Guffaluff]

Thanks all for feedback but I decided to just go with a mix of Gr.1/3/4 races for my league .

 

[J91patriz]

I can’t believe anyone can’t drive the stock GT3 well enough to beat GTRs. GTR is an understeering pig of a car.

On which tyres? Have a go at Interlagos n600 sport tyres with bop on and locked setting tune

4wd makes a big difference especially in the last section

Sorry forgot to add ABS only (although not sure whether the gtr guy also had tc on)

 

[Jumbone1]

Just for fun I took the GT RS 911 & Gr3 Mustang Road car around brands indy. Both N500 with BoP. To equalise the lap times I had to run sports softs on the Stang compared to sports hard on 911. Or Comfort meds on 911 and sport hards on Stang. That 911 handles great even on comforts.

 

[J91patriz]

Just for fun I took the GT RS 911 & Gr3 Mustang Road car around brands indy. Both N500 with BoP. To equalise the lap times I had to run sports softs on the Stang compared to sports hard on 911. Or Comfort meds on 911 and sport hards on Stang. That 911 handles great even on comforts.

Good idea,

Were you using stock setting? Were you using traction control or others?

Out of curiosity, why have you not considered the full track?

I am not sure how reliable it is a test around the short version as the number of corners is almost meaningless.

I know the car is great, but it is not an immediate choice for manyand on some tracks.
with stock setting it can be matched by others (without using driving assists at least, see my experience above)

 

[RCKakashi14]

On which tyres? Have a go at Interlagos n600 sport tyres with bop on and locked setting tune

4wd makes a big difference especially in the last section

Sorry forgot to add ABS only (although not sure whether the gtr guy also had tc on)

Mind if I jump in?

I simulated your situation: Interlagos, BoP N600 with default settings, ABS only. Cars have done 2 laps each equipped with Sport softs.

The RS can beat a GT-R on those conditions, let alone when tuning is allowed.

However, I am not questioning your experience. The Porsche isn’t for everyone. On the right hands, it can dominate the N class.


Which is why I consider it OP, joining the Homologation Specials and the McLaren F1.

 

[J91patriz]

Mind if I jump in?

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I simulated your situation: Interlagos, BoP N600 with default settings, ABS only. Cars have done 2 laps each equipped with Sport softs.

The RS can beat a GT-R on those conditions, let alone when tuning is allowed.

However, I am not questioning your experience. The Porsche isn’t for everyone. On the right hands, it can dominate the N class.


Which is why I consider it OP, joining the Homologation Specials and the McLaren F1.

Thanks, very good.

Indeed, I was able to keep up with the guy but was losing in the final bit (also perhaps my inexperience with the stock settings and can’t be sure whether he was using traction control through that section).

However I think your test above shows that, unless you did exactly equal laps and know how to drive each car equally well, it might possible to keep up with other cars.

With open tuning you are right, F1 and f40 are dangerous. On the contrary the homologation road cars are less of a threat I found.

 

[Jumbone1]

Good idea,

Were you using stock setting? Were you using traction control or others?

Out of curiosity, why have you not considered the full track?

I am not sure how reliable it is a test around the short version as the number of corners is almost meaningless.

I know the car is great, but it is not an immediate choice for manyand on some tracks.
with stock setting it can be matched by others (without using driving assists at least, see my experience above)

Yep, totally stock, no tuning, with BoP. Just like Sport mode. I tried with TCS on 2 and off, time difference was very similar. I tend to drive with TCS off with road cars as I can push, slide harder and not lose time.

I only used a short track due to limited time, if balancing for league racing you could test per track.

I often use tyre balancing when racing the AI for more challenge, as I like to drive the cars totally stock with no BoP. so the true character of the car can be appreciated. But this makes some cars too quick for racing the same/similar class like the McLaren F1 due to low weight, which becomes 300kg+ heavier with BoP on.

 

[Stotty]

Controller method will have a big impact.

I had a go at Interlagos early this morning with the DS4. Bop on, SS tyres, stock settings, ABS only. At the time I didn’t know what the N600 bop was for the RS, so ran it at 500 and the GTR at 600.

GTR 1’42.2 (optimum same)
RS 1’42.7 (optimum splits 1’42.2)

GTR is much easier to drive with the DS4, and my lap times were more consistent with than with the RS.

Later, I ran them both again with the wheel, and also found the N600 settings for the RS. 10 laps each. Results changed significantly.

GTR (N600) 1’41.2 (optimum splits 1’40.9)
RS (N500) 1’40.8 (optimum same)
RS (N600) 1’39.9 (optimum splits 1’39.7)

RS is harder to drive at N600 than N500 (4th gear oversteer!), but is still quicker than the GTR when it’s bop is a class lower.

Could understand if a DS4 user might be quicker in the GTR though.

 

[RCKakashi14]

Controller method will have a big impact.

I had a go at Interlagos early this morning with the DS4. Bop on, SS tyres, stock settings, ABS only. At the time I didn’t know what the N600 bop was for the RS, so ran it at 500 and the GTR at 600.

GTR 1’42.2 (optimum same)
RS 1’42.7 (optimum splits 1’42.2)

GTR is much easier to drive with the DS4, and my lap times were more consistent with than with the RS.

Later, I ran them both again with the wheel, and also found the N600 settings for the RS. 10 laps each. Results changed significantly.

GTR (N600) 1’41.2 (optimum splits 1’40.9)
RS (N500) 1’40.8 (optimum same)
RS (N600) 1’39.9 (optimum splits 1’39.7)

RS is harder to drive at N600 than N500 (4th gear oversteer!), but is still quicker than the GTR when it’s bop is a class lower.

Could understand if a DS4 user might be quicker in the GTR though.

Nice lap times. Though I did the test using the DS4's Motion Control steering. Personally, the RS is best driven smoothly, and the Motion Control steering works best for it.

 

[J91patriz]

Controller method will have a big impact.

I had a go at Interlagos early this morning with the DS4. Bop on, SS tyres, stock settings, ABS only. At the time I didn’t know what the N600 bop was for the RS, so ran it at 500 and the GTR at 600.

GTR 1’42.2 (optimum same)
RS 1’42.7 (optimum splits 1’42.2)

GTR is much easier to drive with the DS4, and my lap times were more consistent with than with the RS.

Later, I ran them both again with the wheel, and also found the N600 settings for the RS. 10 laps each. Results changed significantly.

GTR (N600) 1’41.2 (optimum splits 1’40.9)
RS (N500) 1’40.8 (optimum same)
RS (N600) 1’39.9 (optimum splits 1’39.7)

RS is harder to drive at N600 than N500 (4th gear oversteer!), but is still quicker than the GTR when it’s bop is a class lower.

Could understand if a DS4 user might be quicker in the GTR though.

Nice lap times. Though I did the test using the DS4's Motion Control steering. Personally, the RS is best driven smoothly, and the Motion Control steering works best for it.

Thanks both

Very interesting results.

I take you are much more used to using the wheel than the ds4 given the time difference. As you rightly said, during a race consistency is also important (I am on ds4)

However your point is true and I noticed it too. In n600 it is more difficult and the balance with other cars change too.

 

[Stotty]

Thanks both

Very interesting results.

I take you are much more used to using the wheel than the ds4 given the time difference. As you rightly said, during a race consistency is also important (I am on ds4)

However your point is true and I noticed it too. In n600 it is more difficult and the balance with other cars change too.

I only use the DS4 for drifting nowadays, but played GT1 to GT4 with a DS.

I would expect anyone would be significantly faster with a wheel in the RS. Just gives you better control over the throttle on exits.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Controller method will have a big impact.

I had a go at Interlagos early this morning with the DS4. Bop on, SS tyres, stock settings, ABS only. At the time I didn’t know what the N600 bop was for the RS, so ran it at 500 and the GTR at 600.

GTR 1’42.2 (optimum same)
RS 1’42.7 (optimum splits 1’42.2)

GTR is much easier to drive with the DS4, and my lap times were more consistent with than with the RS.

Later, I ran them both again with the wheel, and also found the N600 settings for the RS. 10 laps each. Results changed significantly.

GTR (N600) 1’41.2 (optimum splits 1’40.9)
RS (N500) 1’40.8 (optimum same)
RS (N600) 1’39.9 (optimum splits 1’39.7)

RS is harder to drive at N600 than N500 (4th gear oversteer!), but is still quicker than the GTR when it’s bop is a class lower.

Could understand if a DS4 user might be quicker in the GTR though.

Mind if I jump in?

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I simulated your situation: Interlagos, BoP N600 with default settings, ABS only. Cars have done 2 laps each equipped with Sport softs.

The RS can beat a GT-R on those conditions, let alone when tuning is allowed.

However, I am not questioning your experience. The Porsche isn’t for everyone. On the right hands, it can dominate the N class.


Which is why I consider it OP, joining the Homologation Specials and the McLaren F1.

Wait, did anyone say in this thread that they haven't beaten a GTR in a GT3?
No way that's impossible

I stand corrected
The gaps are close enough that with a tune, maybe they can stand on equal footing. Might give this a go.

EDIT: I tried this out, and the GTR can actually hold its own against the 911! BoP, SS, no aids except ABS default, and I used Praiano's tunes on both. (It's supposed to be 5 laps but I messed up the 5th on the GTR and I accidentally hit exit )
GTR:

911:

 

[Grandea GTR]

I usually do N500, but afaik anyone with an F1 or a GT3 RS is an instant win.

But there are some cars I think that are in about the same competitive field as them, such as the 458 Italia. Pretty amazing car.