Most powerful diesel production car in the world

[Poverty]

Yeah my mates focus 1.8TDI seems blistering until it gets to the higher revs. Still very fun cars though diesels.

 

[TopHat]

Which is kind of my point, the torque curve for the 323 and the power curve are rising and peaking at a similar time and working closer to the red-line, hence the reason why they 'like' to rev. Most diesel power curves and torque curves are 'mismatched' hence the feeling that they do not like to rev power may still be rising, but torque is falling and falling sharply. Hence the braking feeling.

The torque curve for the 323 is much more progressive both in how it rises and how it falls.

However, remember I'm not having a 'pop' at the car or diesels in general, I'm simply saying I have an issue with this diesel characteristic when it comes to spirited driving.






Strange then that Audi themselves and every road-test for the Q7 I have read clearly state that the natural habitat of the Q7 is the road and that its off-road ability is clearly not a strong point.





I would strongly advise that before using the dunce cap and insulting any member that you spell check your own work.

Its spelt DIESEL


In addition as someone who has been warned about there own posting quality I would strongly suggest you put your own house in order before advising others on how to post.

In closing as you are one infraction away from a ban yourself, insulting people is not a smart move.


Scaff

Ok, I realize that I am the stupidest person on this site, and should think before I post and should really check my keystrokes... now once again I FEEL STOOPID

Also, I edited the post, maybe there should be a smiley lock, and I shouldn't be able to use that one, because I am FULL of hot air.

 

[B_B_B]

Fortunately, I do have a torque curve of a 323 (the blue one), and as you can see, it drops from about 250Nm at 5000 rpm down to below 175Nm at 6500 rpm (= the redline).



I can tell you from first hand experience that it runs out of steam if you rev it to the redline, and that you're better off with shifting before you reach 6000. I know what it feels like in a Diesel, cause I regularly drive a Seat with the 140hp 2.0 TDI. But I wouldn't say that at high revs, it feels much worse than my 323. Yes, you do get the feeling that the engine kind of stopped working, and subjectively, it still feels different to my BMW. But figure-wise, there's not much in it. The problem with the Diesel is that, unlike a good petrol engine, it doesn't like high revs. So, it starts to feel kind of "greasy" if you rev it.

Regards
the Interceptor

umm its a diesel you dont need to go to red you need to shift at peak power not max r's

my camaro maxes hp at 4k r's but red is at 5500r's just because it redlines higher than max hp doesnt mean its more efficient to go to red just because its an option

 

[weiss_komet]

Diesel torque....

 

[=V8 Power=]

Well actually it isn't the most powerful diesel production vehicle.

A Dodge Ram 3500 with a 5.9L Heavy Duty Cummins Turbo has an inline 6 cylinder diesel engine that produces 610 pounds-feet of torque at 1,600 RPM. In my book that beats the Audi diesel becuase it has 1/2 the cylinders and makes more torque at 1,600 RPM than the Audi. It can also tow a maxium weight of 16,000lbs

Then theres the Ford F-350 with a 6.0L Power Stroke Turbo Diesel 32-valve V8. While it only makes 570 pounds-feet of torque @ 2,000 RPM, it can tow an astonishing 26,000 lbs!!

Then theres the king of them all as far as torque goes, the Chevy Silverado 3500 with a Duramax Diesel 6.6L V8 Turbo Engine making 650 lb.-ft. of torque @ 1600 rpm.


Notice that all these engines only have a maxiumum of 8 cylinders and 1 turbocharger and make torque at 1,600 RPM. Audi has to use 12 cylinders and 2 turbos at 1750 RPM and still can't tow half as much.

 

[Poverty]

lol mate you are completly missing the point of the vehicle. Just because a vehicle has more cylinders doesnt mean that it should make more power. The extra cylinders just makes the power delivery smoother, and gives the vehicle a smooth power and consistent power curve. Having so many cyliners is there for the refinement of the vehicle and ease of driveability.

Really to compare the audi to those things above is a little silly as they are trucks. Work trucks at that. The audi is a luxury SUV built for insecure rich people who for some reason think that a normal car couldnt do the day to day things they require.

Also the fact that the audi has two turbos doesnt mean anything. The germans dont use two turbos so that they will have double the power, but instead its done so that there is no considerable lag. The turbos on the german engines are all very very small.

 

[=V8 Power=]

lol mate you are completly missing the point of the vehicle. Just because a vehicle has more cylinders doesnt mean that it should make more power. The extra cylinders just makes the power delivery smoother, and gives the vehicle a smooth power and consistent power curve. Having so many cyliners is there for the refinement of the vehicle and ease of driveability.

Really to compare the audi to those things above is a little silly as they are trucks. Work trucks at that. The audi is a luxury SUV built for insecure rich people who for some reason think that a normal car couldnt do the day to day things they require.

Also the fact that the audi has two turbos doesnt mean anything. The germans dont use two turbos so that they will have double the power, but instead its done so that there is no considerable lag. The turbos on the german engines are all very very small.

I just laugh at that Audi SUV. What a worthless piece of ****. Get a real vehicle that can actually do something.

 

[Poverty]

I just laugh at that Audi SUV. What a worthless piece of ****. Get a real vehicle that can actually do something.

And I laugh that it will be your fellow country men who will be the Q7s number 1 customers

TBH with you though those engines in those trucks are far from impressive. You should see the specs for some real trucks

 

[YSSMAN]

And I laugh that it will be your fellow country men who will be the Q7s number 1 customers

TBH with you though those engines in those trucks are far from impressive. You should see the specs for some real trucks

Actually from what I understand the Q7 sales here in the US haven't been too hot thus far. Although I can't recall any specific data, it has been said that the launch of the Q7 has been a bit of a dissapointment for Audi. Could it change? Certainly! I'd be willing to bet that if VAG became a bit more serious about getting their diesel programs aligned to the US standards, they could push their SUVs as some of the most-powerful and most-efficent available on the market today.

Does that mean they would sell well? Probably not...

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But taking a snobby view of American diesel power is a little rude as well. Considering that they are indeed work trucks they are used for completely different purposes, but I know many people across this country who use these work trucks as their own personal vehicles, not just something for business. As a matter of fact, before my Father purchased his Avalanche, we were considering buying a Chevrolet Silverado 2500 with the Duramax Diesel, but backed out at the last minute when Diesel prices went through the roof.

The engines work well, are extremely powerful, and amazingly are quite quiet and civilized when they need to be. They certainly aren't the examples by which all diesels are measured worldwide, but they work out well, and you can't complain about that.

 

[Dave A]

I just laugh at that Audi SUV. What a worthless piece of ****. Get a real vehicle that can actually do something.

And I laugh at that attitude, I don't like the Q7 either, but your attitude stinks. You'll praise a truck and note it's towing capacities, and then call this one crap without knowing what it's capable of. Yeah really bright, it's beacuse it doesn't use a V8 isn't it.

 

[Poverty]

Actually from what I understand the Q7 sales here in the US haven't been too hot thus far. Although I can't recall any specific data, it has been said that the launch of the Q7 has been a bit of a dissapointment for Audi. Could it change? Certainly! I'd be willing to bet that if VAG became a bit more serious about getting their diesel programs aligned to the US standards, they could push their SUVs as some of the most-powerful and most-efficent available on the market today.

Does that mean they would sell well? Probably not...

Yeah audi sales in the US are dismal compared to around the world, where sales are booming, but I think the Q7 has sold the most in the states.

But taking a snobby view of American diesel power is a little rude as well. Considering that they are indeed work trucks they are used for completely different purposes, but I know many people across this country who use these work trucks as their own personal vehicles, not just something for business. As a matter of fact, before my Father purchased his Avalanche, we were considering buying a Chevrolet Silverado 2500 with the Duramax Diesel, but backed out at the last minute when Diesel prices went through the roof.

The engines work well, are extremely powerful, and amazingly are quite quiet and civilized when they need to be. They certainly aren't the examples by which all diesels are measured worldwide, but they work out well, and you can't complain about that.

Your right they are more than powerful enough for the job at hand, its just that V8 Power was having a bit of a pissing contest so I decided Id put his attitude in check.

 

[JNasty4G63]

I just laugh at that Audi SUV. What a worthless piece of ****. Get a real vehicle that can actually do something.

Thats a pretty pointless statement. You know what, I laugh at those trucks you posted. Talking about those big work trucks being better compared to a luxury SUV is like saying a Porsche 911 is better than a Camry. If you want speed, sure, get a sports car. But if all you want is a nice daily driver, get a Camry. Those trucks you posted are great, if what you want is a work truck to haul and tow some major stuff. But, on the other hand, the Audi would be a much nicer vehicle for daily use. Just depends on which you value more. I mean, Audi never said this thing was a great work truck, because that ISN'T what it is.

Hilg

 

[Scaff]

I just laugh at that Audi SUV. What a worthless piece of ****. Get a real vehicle that can actually do something.

What an amazingly insightful, critical look at the Q7.

Why do you laugh at it?

Why is it worthless?

What are these 'real' vehicles and what do they do better than the Q7?

Covering these points in even a small level of detail would add value to this post, as currently it has little.

On a slightly more serious note, do not attempt to bypass the swear filter again, it exists for a reason.

Regards

Scaff

 

[=V8 Power=]

What an amazingly insightful, critical look at the Q7.

Why do you laugh at it?

Why is it worthless?

What are these 'real' vehicles and what do they do better than the Q7?

Covering these points in even a small level of detail would add value to this post, as currently it has little.

On a slightly more serious note, do not attempt to bypass the swear filter again, it exists for a reason.

Regards

Scaff

I laugh at it because its a $60,000 (the diesel will cost even more) SUV that can carry 5 people. It has no true off-road capabilities and its towing capacity is dismal.

It is worthless because as I just said all it will do is carry 5 people at a very high cost. The diesel might give it a little 'sporty' feel but thats about all.

Real vehicles...a vehicle :cough: truck :cough: that can actually do something. Lets take the Dodge Ram 3500 Mega Cab for example. It can carry 5 people VERY comfortably. Plus it has another 6 ft of bed space that you can put whatever you want in. Then it can tow up to 16,000 lbs which will cover any trailer I could ever think of needing to tow. It has decent off-road capabilites as well...and still costs less than a diesel Q7.

If you didn't need that much towing capacity (its more than I would ever need), but wanted more off-road capacity you could get a Dodge Power Wagon. It also will seat 5 people nicely and is extremly capable offroad (see my avatar).

I realise alot of people on this forum only need a vehicle to take them from work and back everyday, well thats just great. Except where I live and the activities I do, I need a vehicle that can do alot more than just drive me to and from work. I also don't want to pay an arm and a leg to do this.
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Also why is everyone ridiculing me for bringing up diesel trucks?? The title of this thread is "Most powerful diesel production car in the world. Well its not a car at all, its an SUV. So I figured I would talk about trucks. If you go by torque@ low RPM, its not the most powerful.

 

[Scaff]

I laugh at it because its a $60,000 (the diesel will cost even more) SUV that can carry 5 people. It has no true off-road capabilities and its towing capacity is dismal.

It is worthless because as I just said all it will do is carry 5 people at a very high cost. The diesel might give it a little 'sporty' feel but thats about all.

Real vehicles...a vehicle :cough: truck :cough: that can actually do something. Lets take the Dodge Ram 3500 Mega Cab for example. It can carry 5 people VERY comfortably. Plus it has another 6 ft of bed space that you can put whatever you want in. Then it can tow up to 16,000 lbs which will cover any trailer I could ever think of needing to tow. It has decent off-road capabilites as well...and still costs less than a diesel Q7.

If you didn't need that much towing capacity (its more than I would ever need), but wanted more off-road capacity you could get a Dodge Power Wagon. It also will seat 5 people nicely and is extremly capable offroad (see my avatar).

I realise alot of people on this forum only need a vehicle to take them from work and back everyday, well thats just great. Except where I live and the activities I do, I need a vehicle that can do alot more than just drive me to and from work. I also don't want to pay an arm and a leg to do this.

Thank you

And one more thing "SCAFF" I didn't bi-pass any security thing. I simply hit the star button 4 times. Hitting the star button 4 times is not a violation of any of the forum rules. It is up to the reader to interpret what it means.

Any reason you felt the need to shout my name?

The rules do not differentiate in this regard, use of the * symbol to cover a word that would be covered by the swear filter makes no difference.

You may not like it but that is how it is here at GT Planet, you agreed to the AUP, you did not follow it, you got a (no-points) warning.

What you chose to do in future is up to you, you know what we expect from members, if you chose to ignore what every other member follows then you will lose that membership.

Thank you

Scaff

 

[Poverty]

The Q7 seats 7 and theres no way the ride quality of a dodge ram truck can compare to the audi.

 

[the Interceptor]

I realise alot of people on this forum only need a vehicle to take them from work and back everyday, well thats just great. Except where I live and the activities I do, I need a vehicle that can do alot more than just drive me to and from work. I also don't want to pay an arm and a leg to do this.

That's perfectly fine, but does it mean that the Q7 is a bad car? You see no use for it - okay - but there are others with other needs, which a car such as the Dodge RAM just doesn't cover.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[Dave A]

Do you not think that comparing this car to Dodge Ram is like comparing a Mercedes S class to a Ford Mondeo, the Mondeo can carry 5 people in comfort. This is not intended to be the same kind of vehicle as the Dodge Ram, if you need a truck, by all means buy a truck, if you don't and you have the cash, like the Q7 and (bear with me on this) like the looks as well, why shouldn't you buy it? Also you keep talking about this cars towing capacity, I don't belive they have been published for this model yet, but it's a hell of a lot more powerful than any you;ve compared it to yet. Also as Poverty said, it can seat 7 people.

 

[=V8 Power=]

Do you not think that comparing this car to Dodge Ram is like comparing a Mercedes S class to a Ford Mondeo, the Mondeo can carry 5 people in comfort. This is not intended to be the same kind of vehicle as the Dodge Ram, if you need a truck, by all means buy a truck, if you don't and you have the cash, like the Q7 and (bear with me on this) like the looks as well, why shouldn't you buy it? Also you keep talking about this cars towing capacity, I don't belive they have been published for this model yet, but it's a hell of a lot more powerful than any you;ve compared it to yet. Also as Poverty said, it can seat 7 people.

Hold on here. Okay it seats 7 people, but everyone knows the 3rd row bench seat is a joke. A Ram Mega Cab is HUGE inside and seats 5.

You obviously don't tow many trailers do you? Towing capacity is not all about power. Just becuase the Q7 has some uber big V12 diesel doesn't mean it can tow that well. Towing capacity is determined by the suspension, transmission, gear ratios, tires, and the engine. A truck has very stiff suspension, very low gear ratios, a diesel engine designed for pure torque, and if need be 4 tires on the rear axel to maximize towing.

I can't tell from your post if you meant the Q7 is more powerful or can tow more than any vehicle I mentioned. Either way your wrong because I described the 3 most powerful trucks made. Hook the Q7 and a Ram to a dyno at the wheels and see who wins.

 

[Dave A]

I tow as many trailers as the average person in the UK, none. In my post I said "Also you keep talking about this cars towing capacity, I don't belive they have been published for this model yet" which means what it says, they haven't published the figures so all you can do is specualte. They might be poor but so what, even if they were great do you think people would buy this for towing things? Personly I think the Q7 is an ugly machine, I don't particularly like SUV's or trucks in general, but I don't see anything actuially wrong with the Q7 if someone just want's to buy an SUV, like the same people that buy Merc M-Classes and BMW X5's. And no, I was right, this is more powerful than the two you mentioned, we're talking about the Q7 this thread is about, you know, the one with only 1000lbs/ft of torque. Thats a tad higher than the three you mentioned on the last page.

As for the rear bench seat, the Q7 doesn't have a rear bench seat, it has three rows of seats, two proper fold down seats at the back.

 

[Poverty]

Hold on here. Okay it seats 7 people, but everyone knows the 3rd row bench seat is a joke. A Ram Mega Cab is HUGE inside and seats 5.

You obviously don't tow many trailers do you? Towing capacity is not all about power. Just becuase the Q7 has some uber big V12 diesel doesn't mean it can tow that well. Towing capacity is determined by the suspension, transmission, gear ratios, tires, and the engine. A truck has very stiff suspension, very low gear ratios, a diesel engine designed for pure torque, and if need be 4 tires on the rear axel to maximize towing.

I can't tell from your post if you meant the Q7 is more powerful or can tow more than any vehicle I mentioned. Either way your wrong because I described the 3 most powerful trucks made. Hook the Q7 and a Ram to a dyno at the wheels and see who wins.

lol

1. The Q7 should win
2. Why are we arguing about Q7 VS trucks when they have nothing in common or relevancy?
3. those 3 trucks you brought up arent the most powerful trucks made
4. Its ironic how you said the doidge ram is very comfortable and then go on to say how uber stiff suspension it has.

 

[the Interceptor]

Does it count that you can't buy the RAM here? You can import it, but that's not exactly cheap.

And for towing, the Q7 wouldn't be my first choice I guess, but then again, there's a world between the feel when sitting in a Dodge RAM, compared to an Audi Q7. As live4speed pointed out, we're talking about different leagues here. The RAM may be fine for the stuff you've got on mind, but I don't see much point in trying to talk us out of the Q7 with that.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[=V8 Power=]

And no, I was right, this is more powerful than the two you mentioned, we're talking about the Q7 this thread is about, you know, the one with only 1000lbs/ft of torque. Thats a tad higher than the three you mentioned on the last page.

It has 737 lb-ft of torque between 1,750 - 3000 rpm. The way its desighned I'm guessing those torque figures are at closer to 3000 RPM. The trucks I mentioned had a maximum of 650lb-ft @ 1,600 RPM.

3. those 3 trucks you brought up arent the most powerful trucks made
4. Its ironic how you said the doidge ram is very comfortable and then go on to say how uber stiff suspension it has.

Not the most powerful pickup trucks ever made? UHH, yes they are.
But if thats not enough power for you, using the MANY aftermarket diesel perfromance products available you can achieve over 1200 lb-ft of torque still at the super low RPMS

When I said comfortable I meant leg room because the mega cab has more leg room than the Q7 in the 2nd row of seats. Still trucks don't ride that bad really. I prefer a firm ride over a super soft one (as any true car person does).

 

[Famine]

If you go by torque@ low RPM, its not the most powerful.

Torque is not power. Power is not torque. Power is rate of torque - 1hp being equal to 550ftlb per second.

And no, I was right, this is more powerful than the two you mentioned, we're talking about the Q7 this thread is about, you know, the one with only 1000lbs/ft of torque. Thats a tad higher than the three you mentioned on the last page.

It has 737 lb-ft of torque between 1,750 - 3000 rpm. The way its desighned I'm guessing those torque figures are at closer to 3000 RPM. The trucks I mentioned had a maximum of 650lb-ft @ 1,600 RPM.

Maximum torque is available from just 1,750 rpm

 

[the Interceptor]

It has 737 lb-ft of torque between 1,750 - 3000 rpm. The way its desighned I'm guessing those torque figures are at closer to 3000 RPM.

It means that it has a constant torque of 737 lb-ft from 1,750 to 3000, as to be seen in post #23:

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[JNasty4G63]

I laugh at it because its a $60,000 (the diesel will cost even more) SUV that can carry 5 people. It has no true off-road capabilities and its towing capacity is dismal.

And what, might I ask, IS the towing capacity?? Do you know, because I don't know that they have even said. The VW Touareg TDI was rated to tow almost 8,000lbs. I would hesitate to say that this Q7 will be rated to tow that ammount, at least. So, not the 16k of the work trucks, but plenty for normal use.

It is worthless because as I just said all it will do is carry 5 people at a very high cost.

You know, I've gone and configured a Ram Mega Cab 3500, like you suggest. And, to get it to even close to the level of features and interior configuration, I'm already at over $55k for the Ram, and still don't have some of the things the Audi has. Now sure, that is cheaper than this Q7 will be. But, you aren't talking about a smokin deal of a Ram either, so that doesn't help.

Real vehicles...a vehicle :cough: truck :cough: that can actually do something. Lets take the Dodge Ram 3500 Mega Cab for example. It can carry 5 people VERY comfortably. Plus it has another 6 ft of bed space that you can put whatever you want in. Then it can tow up to 16,000 lbs which will cover any trailer I could ever think of needing to tow. It has decent off-road capabilites as well...and still costs less than a diesel Q7.
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If you didn't need that much towing capacity (its more than I would ever need), but wanted more off-road capacity you could get a Dodge Power Wagon. It also will seat 5 people nicely and is extremly capable offroad (see my avatar).

Real vehicles...a vehicle (cough) Wrangler (cough) that can actually do something. I can carry 5 in a pinch, but 4 with ease. I don't need a bed out back. I don't tow anything with it, thats what the Yukon is for. And it has off-road capabilities that will make your Ram look like it got lost. And STILL only cost $26k.

I realise alot of people on this forum only need a vehicle to take them from work and back everyday, well thats just great. Except where I live and the activities I do, I need a vehicle that can do alot more than just drive me to and from work. I also don't want to pay an arm and a leg to do this.

You know what I need??? I need a vehicle I can have fun with and go off-road when and where I want. So, I have a fairly modded Rubicon. And, I also want to have a fun and fast sporty car. So, I have a 97 TSI AWD that runs 10.9s, and puts down over 600hp to the wheels. Those both fit my needs. Trucks are worthless to me.

What you are saying is the Q7 doesn't fit your needs, which is fine. But, for you to just knock it and rip on it for silly things just makes you look lame. I don't need a truck, so I didn't buy one. End of story. If you don't need a very well-eqipped luxury SUV with a huge diesel engine, don't buy one. But, don't whine about it along the way.

Also why is everyone ridiculing me for bringing up diesel trucks?? The title of this thread is "Most powerful diesel production car in the world. Well its not a car at all, its an SUV. So I figured I would talk about trucks. If you go by torque@ low RPM, its not the most powerful.

Well, what if we wanted to talk about maximum output?? What would you say then??? So what if the Cummins or Duramax or whatever have more torque at like 100rpm less. Thats not what the Q7 is about.

Hilg

 

[Poverty]

Not the most powerful pickup trucks ever made? UHH, yes they are.
But if thats not enough power for you, using the MANY aftermarket diesel perfromance products available you can achieve over 1200 lb-ft of torque still at the super low RPMS

The Q7 has more power and its not even a truck. So imagine what a REAL truck will do.

When I said comfortable I meant leg room because the mega cab has more leg room than the Q7 in the 2nd row of seats. Still trucks don't ride that bad really. I prefer a firm ride over a super soft one (as any true car person does).

You need to go drive a mercedes AMG then cause that thing seems like it floats on air whilst being some of the fastest and most powerul cars in the world.

 

[=V8 Power=]

Real vehicles...a vehicle (cough) Wrangler (cough) that can actually do something. I can carry 5 in a pinch, but 4 with ease. I don't need a bed out back. I don't tow anything with it, thats what the Yukon is for. And it has off-road capabilities that will make your Ram look like it got lost. And STILL only cost $26k.

Against a Power Wagon it would be a very close battle. Also I MUST have a bed out back, so for me a Jeep is just a play thing.

[/QUOTE]

You need to go drive a mercedes AMG then cause that thing seems like it floats on air whilst being some of the fastest and most powerul cars in the world.

Well considering the nearest Mercedes dealer is god knows where, I don't think I will.

I'm also done posting on this thread since It has gotten out of control.

 

[JNasty4G63]

Against a Power Wagon it would be a very close battle.

You really think that??? Now, I'm not saying my Rubi would just destroy a PW offroad, but you can't seriously think it would be a "very close" match. Nothing against a 4x4 truck, they can do stuff, sure. But they are just capable of going offroad because of 4-wheel drive. But, a Wrangler is built specifically to do that. Something tells me you don't have a 4:1 low-range with front and rear air-lockers. Those standard issue things, combined with a shorter wheelbase, better weight distribution and good tires make for a tough offroader.

Also I MUST have a bed out back, so for me a Jeep is just a play thing.

Did you ever think that maybe someone would look at the Q7 as a play thing??? Like I said before, just because you don't have a need or want for it, does not make it a "worthless piece" or something to "laugh at" as you did. I could easilly say the same thing about your truck, because I have no need for one. But I don't.

I'm also done posting on this thread since It has gotten out of control.

Did it get out of control, or did you finally see the error in your ways???

Hilg

 

[=V8 Power=]

You really think that??? Now, I'm not saying my Rubi would just destroy a PW offroad, but you can't seriously think it would be a "very close" match. Nothing against a 4x4 truck, they can do stuff, sure. But they are just capable of going offroad because of 4-wheel drive. But, a Wrangler is built specifically to do that. Something tells me you don't have a 4:1 low-range with front and rear air-lockers. Those standard issue things, combined with a shorter wheelbase, better weight distribution and good tires make for a tough offroader.

Hilg

Do some research next time before you bash a fully capable off-road vehicle...

"Power Wagons are equipped with an NV 271 transfer case, American Axle TracRite ® axles with front open and rear anti-spin electrically locking differentials...

equipped with a 4.56:1 axle and five-speed automatic or six-speed manual transmission, provides quick acceleration and plenty of torque. With 345 HP @5,600 rpm and 375 lb-ft of torque at 4,400, the 5.7-liter Hemi offers great 0-60 times and a towing capability of 11,000 pounds....

Controlling the 35 mm front and 25 mm rear springs are Bilstein monotube dampers. The custom Warn winch, rated at 12,000 lb and built-in tow hooks ensured we wouldn’t get stuck anywhere in our private off road park. You can approach most obstacles with no worries, there’s over 8” of ground clearance front and rear and a forward approach angle of 35°, 26.5° rear makes rock crawling safe and easy. Even easier once you uncouple the front anti-roll bar to improve traction."

Hmm...something tells me that the PW has everything and more than your Rubicon